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While we're all trying to find out which country/side is to blame in the destruction of the Malaysian flight, I noticed that not many were talking about Malaysia. I admit, I know little...almost nothing...about Malaysia, except what I've learned from playing Civilization IV. I still know little, next to nothing, even after doing a tiny bit of research.
There are only a handful of pics of the mourners in Malaysia, but that handful of pics made my heart break for a country and it's people.
This is the second tragedy for this not so little country. An unwarranted, terrible tragedy. So, let's think about them for a minute and forget that there are selfish and arrogant people in this world that just made Malaysia an unintended target for their agenda.
(Please excuse the links to Wiki and Tourism. Doing a search for Malaysia brings up pages of news and little else. I'm hoping our DU geniuses will fill in some holes.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia
http://www.tourism.gov.my/en/us
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malaise
(268,999 posts)Nice
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Bosonic
(3,746 posts)154 Dutch
27 Australian
23 Malaysian
11 Indonesian
6 UK
4 German
4 Belgian
3 Philippine
1 Canadian
Probably some US too, although not confirmed yet.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)If an American plane was shot down and 75% of the passengers were French, America would still mourn. It would still be our tragedy that we shared with France and any other country affected. This is the second time Malaysia has 'accidentally' shown up in the news. I can't imagine how they must be feeling. What they think other countries are thinking.
Obviously, my heart aches for all of the families and friends of all the passengers. That includes the 1 Canadian. I'm one of those people that wonders who he/she was. Was it a vacation or business? Who did they call last? Did they remember to tell someone they loved them? Will someone feed their dog?
Life is complex and in order to keep from turning into blithering piles of goo, we need to find a focus. Today, mine is on Malaysia.
Next time, maybe just pass by the thread.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)Not about Malaysia. Something is wrong with that airline. As one tv airline expert explained, it's about saving gas which saves money.
On April 3 multiple aviation organizations issued warnings to international and U.S. carriers cautioning them against flying over parts of the Ukraine.
Here's one link about it:
http://abcnews.go.com/International/faa-issued-warning-prohibiting-airlines-flying-contested-ukrainian/story?id=24604229
Malaysia Airlines was aware of this warning but chose not to take heed.
shireen
(8,333 posts)You're being a bit quick to judge. Let's wait for more credible information. The initial days of a disaster are often filled with conflicting information and confusion.
Some of the news reports I've read say that the crash site area was not part of the restricted area. According to Time,
The Federal Aviation Administration warned U.S. air carriers not to fly in a region about 200 miles away from where Malaysian crash occurred in Ukraine.
Earlier this year the Federal Aviation Administration banned American air carriers from flying over part of the disputed area between Russia and Ukraine over safety concerns, but the area where Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crashed on Thursday was not included in this restricted airspace.
The agency warned American aircraft on April 25 against flying over the Crimean peninsula and the surrounding waters after Russia, which had moved to annex the territory, claimed control over that airspace.
Heartbreaking. Confusing. :'(
msongs
(67,406 posts)the most part, in the sense that Islam is the state religion and residents are severely restricted by that fact
shireen
(8,333 posts)Where do you get your information?
About 60% are Muslim. The rest are Buddhist, Christian (all denominations), Hindu, and Bahai. It's also multi-racial citizenry. Over 50% are Malay, almost all of them Muslim. Rest are Chinese, Indian, and a few of European descent.
It's not a religious dictatorship, it's a fucked-up democracy.
I know. I was born and raised there. My family still lives there.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)It's actually quite a diverse country, from the stats I've read. But, let's say you're correct, just for arguments sake.
Do we shun the entire country, it's culture, it's people, it's history, it's future because it is a Muslim country? If that is the case, the US should build a fence...around the entire country with armed guards at 20 yards. We should probably be concerned about those Christian countries, as well.
parkia00
(572 posts)I'm not Muslim. I come from a Christian family even though I choose to be an Atheist. I have a neighbor who is Muslim whose favorite after dinner aperitif is a glass of brandy. Another is a Chinese Christian, another is a Chinese Buddhist while another is a native Christian with a touch of local Paganism. In my neighborhood there is a mosque, a Methodist Church, a Roman Catholic church, a Taoist Temple, a Thai Buddhist Temple and a Buddhist School filled with golden robed monks. To avoid making one sound like ignorant dolt one should at least know what one is talking about on a large international forum read by thousand.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,831 posts)She is constantly bringing me some of her dishes she has made, for me to try out. I love their curry, its so different from Thai, Japanese, Chinese and Indian Curry. I have been to a Malaysian/Indonesian/Singapore Restaurant here in San Francisco. Wonderful food. Especially Nasi Lemak. Wonderful dish.
Someday its my hope to try Durian Fruit. I have heard so much about it!
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)...I had a Mexican family that did the same thing. I was very, very poor, 18 and on my own. They would constantly bring me food or leave bags of groceries outside my door. Years later, I had an Indian family across the hall that would bring me food, as well. You don't see much of that in Arizona. I miss diversity and culture.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)I have Mexican and Native American and Indian and Dutch and British and mafia from Jersey friends back in AZ. Whenever I needed help, they were there for me.
Hmmm...
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)...I don't have anybody around me but more old white people. That's why I love Tucson (one of the reasons). People are friendlier, more diversity, great food. I live in hell.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)on the cheap. And eat the Mexican food!
I could not live there.
This is from somebody who lives in a freaking small mid-western town now. Big 4H fair this week..Lord help me...
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)That's what us 'big city folk' would do on the weekends to remember why we lived in the city! Ohgod...the smell...and soooooooo much corn.
I preferred the apple festivals, myself. Mmmmmmmm...apple everything.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)Going with the neighbor kids. My guy has to work.
Hope there is beer there!
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Seriously, despite my negative reaction, it is something different. Yes, the smell is horrible. But, most will have some dusty festival food and beer.
parkia00
(572 posts)Just go to any Asian supermarkets around Clement at 6th Ave - 8th Ave. You can buy frozen whole Thai Durians or nicely packed one without the shell. Although Thai Durians are "milder" in aroma and taste.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,362 posts)Thanks for the thread, Wait Wut.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Probabaly about the same time the plane waas shot down.
Penang Island: Escape To Southeast Asias Historic Retirement Haven
Legend has it that the English sailors aboard the ship of Captain Francis Light smelled Penang before they saw itan island jewel scented with nutmeg, cloves and pepper plants.
To this day you can easily escape into the lush jungle-clad hills, explore a nutmeg orchard, or walk in the shade of Candle trees in the 70-acre botanic gardens. But the 405-square-mile island has changed a lot since Light and his men arrived to clear and settle it in 1786.
Its now home to around a million- and-a-half people, a colorful mix of Malay, Indians and Peranakansdescendants of Chinese immigrants. And joining them in recent years is an ever-increasing number of Western expats lured by the benefits and pleasures of life here.
Beaches that attract vacationers from around Malaysia and beyond. Thousands of visitors come every year on food pilgrimages to feast on the regions best cuisine from early morning dim sum dumpling stalls to midnight Nasi Kandar curry shops where dishes cost just a few bucks.
In total a couple can cover all their costs and live a comfortable life for $1,500 to $2,000 a month. Rent for an ocean-view condo of 1,300 square feet will set you back as little as $800 a month, and thats in a building with an infinity pool and a gym. The islands excellent hospitals are so affordable that many expats chose to simply pay out of pocket for health care, which is provided by English-speaking doctors trained in the UK and U.S.
........................more http://internationalliving.com/articles/penang-island-escape-to-southeast-asias-historic-retirement-haven-mag-2014-7/
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)...wow. I could almost smell it. The more I read, the more I think I want to visit.
shireen
(8,333 posts)I'm a naturalized US citizen born and raised in Malaysia. So I still have a strong kinship to the country, and am devastated by this news.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)I'm so sorry, Shireen. It seems like such a beautiful place. It took a couple of tragedies to make me want to learn more. Now, I want to visit.
shireen
(8,333 posts)yes, most of my family is still there. Malaysians are taking this really hard, it's the second tragedy in months for the national carrier.
I've not been home in a very long time due to personal circumstances that make travel hard, but it is an absolutely gorgeous lush tropical country. If you can afford to travel, I would highly recommend a visit.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)Tell them many Americans have them in their hearts.
I can't afford to travel, but someday I plan on winning the lottery. Malaysia is on my list. I'll take you with me.
shireen
(8,333 posts)niyad
(113,306 posts)(taking care of a friend) had fixed noised "covering" this, so I flat refused to pay attention (especially after the receptionist would not change the channel)
a most thoughtful posst.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....but when you actually go there jeans and t-shirts are the most common unless it's summer and then it's shorts and t-shirts.
We are more alike than we are unalike.
That countryside could easily be California, Virginia, Germany, England, etc.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)...except the US. I think we're culture starved, so the images that sites post capitalize on that fact. A good friend of mine is NA and performs in public Powwows. When it's over, he's a biker. It doesn't lessen his passion or dilute the culture. It just commercializes it for a minute. Sad? Yeah, it is. But, I'm grateful that so many cultures have held on to their traditions and shared them with us. I grew up wishing I was someone else. Living in Chicago, I was surrounded by so many different cultures and traditions and I was just some poor, wealthy, white girl with nothing but a Christmas tree and a bunny that passed out eggs. I wanted to be Asian, African, anything. Sort of pathetic, isn't it? The most beautiful thing about humanity is its diversity. The one thing that so many in this country hate.
Sorry for the mini-rant. You just made me think too much.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Imagine you're a cardiologist from Holland and everyone at the convention thinking you lived in a windmill and had wooden shoes.
Wait Wut
(8,492 posts)The rest of the world knows better. I don't believe every Mexican I meet is in a mariachi band. There will always be idiots that judge others based on what they are and not who they are.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)The idea was to present them as a naturally lazy RACE that take naps in the middle of the day.
It's all a part of the White Superiority Complex.
blueamy66
(6,795 posts)I'll remember that. Pretty sure I wouldn't need that kind of high if I could get there.
mainer
(12,022 posts)When I was there, we visited Hindu shrines, went to Chinatown where you can find ethnic Chinese women wearing shorts and low-cut tee shirts, and dropped in at a bank where the tellers were Muslim women in head scarves. Everyone seemed to get along and work together. And they were all incredibly friendly. It's a gorgeous country. They consider business and industry their number one priority, and for that reason, they must work together.