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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:01 PM Jul 2014

Border Sheriffs Perplexed by Rick Perry's Plan to Send 1,000 Troops to Stare at Mexico

Why would you spend millions of dollars sending troops to the border who can't actually detain anyone? That's what some Texas sheriffs of border towns are asking in the wake of Gov. Rick Perry's plan to send 1,000 National Guards members to the Texas/Mexico border in the next month, according to the Dallas Morning News. For them, it would be more useful to spend the money on hiring more deputies and police, aka people who are allowed to detain migrants.

“I don’t know what good they can do,” Cameron County Sheriff Omar Lucio told the Dallas Morning News. “You just can’t come out here and be a police officer.” Lucio and other sheriffs said they weren't consulted before Perry's announcement and, in Lucio's opinion, the police and Border Patrol agents were handling the small uptick in crime. "At this time, a lot of people do things for political reasons. I don’t know that it helps,” Lucio said.

This isn't the first time people have questioned the wisdom of sending National Guard troops to the border. In 2010, President Obama sent over 1,000 troops to the border. They weren't allowed to pursue or detain immigrants, "or investigate crimes, make arrests, stop and search vehicles, or seize drugs," The Washington Post reported in 2011. "Nor do they check Mexico-bound vehicles for bulk cash or smuggled weapons headed to the drug cartels." Basically, they keep watch and radio in any suspicious activity. Critics also argued that the National Guard's help cost an estimated $6,271 per person caught. But defenders of sending the guard argue they are a deterrent. In the upcoming deployment, guard officials said they would have some medical training and be supplied with water. Still, the most immediate reward is political, and as The New York Times noted, Perry stands the most to gain for being tough on the border.

In 2012, one of his major gaffes was calling people "heartless" for panning his plan to give undocumented students in-state tuition. This time around he won't make the same mistake. “Drug cartels, human traffickers and individual criminals are exploiting this tragedy for their own criminal opportunities,” Perry said Monday. “I will not stand idly by while our citizens are under assault, and little children from Central America are detained in squalor.”

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http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/07/border-sheriffs-dont-understand-why-rick-perry-is-sending-1000-troops-to-stare-at-mexico/374817/

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Border Sheriffs Perplexed by Rick Perry's Plan to Send 1,000 Troops to Stare at Mexico (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2014 OP
Perry will come down and lead the troops. Frustratedlady Jul 2014 #1
The only thing he can lead is cloudbase Jul 2014 #14
How can Rick Perry escape the impression that he is a "dumb fuck?" immoderate Jul 2014 #2
Karl Rove gave him Junior's playbook. bluesbassman Jul 2014 #7
Political grandstanding to prove himself to their propaganda wing underpants Jul 2014 #3
None of this matters to the Teahadists Hugabear Jul 2014 #4
Technically if he wanted he could grant powers of arrest Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #5
I've Googled but no help so far... IS THIS TRUE? ^^^ Because if it is, then ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2014 #15
It's true for every state Lee-Lee Jul 2014 #16
This is what I've always thought, that the governor can empower LE ChisolmTrailDem Jul 2014 #17
Purely and blatantly political. lpbk2713 Jul 2014 #6
Mouth breathers never worry about tax $$ spent on hate or discrimination lunasun Jul 2014 #13
This This This blogslut Jul 2014 #8
It's border security theater, brought to you by the master of it, Rick Perry. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #9
Good move Perry... GOLGO 13 Jul 2014 #10
I so know the answer to that question. Baitball Blogger Jul 2014 #11
They're playing Texans vs. Mexicans Capt. Obvious Jul 2014 #12

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
1. Perry will come down and lead the troops.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:05 PM
Jul 2014

He got a taste of the power last week, and it's just making him itch to play soldier games again.

Someone take those new glasses away.

underpants

(182,958 posts)
3. Political grandstanding to prove himself to their propaganda wing
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jul 2014

Fox News and radio which is basically running them now

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
4. None of this matters to the Teahadists
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jul 2014

They're already whooping it up and patting each other on the back over Perry "standing up to Obama" by sending National Guard troops to the border. This has absolutely nothing to do with actually "securing the border", and everything with improving his standing with teabaggers around the country.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
5. Technically if he wanted he could grant powers of arrest
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jul 2014

When the NG is acting under state authority the Governor can have them sworn in as State LE if he/she wishes.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
15. I've Googled but no help so far... IS THIS TRUE? ^^^ Because if it is, then
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jul 2014

almost every comment is this thread is hyperbolic. If Perry can swear them in as sort of deputies, then will they be able to engage in LE operations?

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
16. It's true for every state
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 02:39 PM
Jul 2014

Unless called to Federal service by the President the NG in this case is acting in a capacity that makes them state employees, subject to state laws. These "Title 32" tours mean the Guardsman is not subject to the UCMJ but the state equivalent and is paid by state funds as a state employee. They don't get retirement credit or any other federal benefit of active duty for this duty.

Governors generally have very wide latitude for granting legal power of arrest for any state employees.

In short anything a governor could do to grant arrest powers to any other state employee holds true for NG members working under Title 32 Authority. This may vary depending on if the Governer has declared a state of emergency based on each states law.

So if the Governer or head of any other state LE agency could swear/deputize/whatever any other state employee they can the NG members as well.

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
17. This is what I've always thought, that the governor can empower LE
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jul 2014

duties onto NG troops.

Hoping someone who knows the legalities involved will comment.

lpbk2713

(42,770 posts)
6. Purely and blatantly political.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jul 2014



Obviously the only possible reason for this is to generate
headlines that the mouth breathers will love him for. As
noted in the article, there is nothing at all they can do.
Aside from standing around and burning up tax dollars.


lunasun

(21,646 posts)
13. Mouth breathers never worry about tax $$ spent on hate or discrimination
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jul 2014

Helping other Americans or refugees ? Not a dime from the I got mine crowd

blogslut

(38,021 posts)
8. This This This
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:17 PM
Jul 2014

Exactly. It's a horseshit move by numbskull who is more interested in doling out contracts to scammers who fleece us for untold monies that pay for nothing but barbed wire and fence-posts, erected by underpaid laborers. Of course he wants the National Guard because that way he has more state money to toss out to cronies than to actual enforcement personnel.

GOLGO 13

(1,681 posts)
10. Good move Perry...
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:22 PM
Jul 2014

Put people who have been trained in combat to kill with automatic weapons to stop children who don't speak their language.

What can possibly go wrong Perry?

Baitball Blogger

(46,771 posts)
11. I so know the answer to that question.
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:26 PM
Jul 2014

They want to provoke a confrontation which they can use to escalate their cause.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
12. They're playing Texans vs. Mexicans
Tue Jul 22, 2014, 01:29 PM
Jul 2014

Perry is putting his thumb on the scale in hopes they catch Mantequilla.

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