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By Jeremy Scahill and Ryan Devereaux
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/article/2014/07/23/blacklisted/
A long but worth it read. The 4 paragraph snip does not do justice to the article.
The March 2013 Watchlisting Guidance, a 166-page document issued last year by the National Counterterrorism Center, spells out the governments secret rules for putting individuals on its main terrorist database, as well as the no fly list and the selectee list, which triggers enhanced screening at airports and border crossings. The new guidelines allow individuals to be designated as representatives of terror organizations without any evidence they are actually connected to such organizations, and it gives a single White House official the unilateral authority to place entire categories of people the government is tracking onto the no fly and selectee lists. It broadens the authority of government officials to nominate people to the watchlists based on what is vaguely described as fragmentary information. It also allows for dead people to be watchlisted.
Over the years, the Obama and Bush Administrations have fiercely resisted disclosing the criteria for placing names on the databasesthough the guidelines are officially labeled as unclassified. In May, Attorney General Eric Holder even invoked the state secrets privilege to prevent watchlisting guidelines from being disclosed in litigation launched by an American who was on the no fly list. In an affidavit, Holder called them a clear roadmap to the governments terrorist-tracking apparatus, adding: The Watchlisting Guidance, although unclassified, contains national security information that, if disclosed could cause significant harm to national security.
The rulebook, which The Intercept is publishing in full, was developed behind closed doors by representatives of the nations intelligence, military, and law-enforcement establishment, including the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, and FBI. Emblazoned with the crests of 19 agencies, it offers the most complete and revealing look into the secret history of the governments terror list policies to date. It reveals a confounding and convoluted system filled with exceptions to its own rules, and it relies on the elastic concept of reasonable suspicion as a standard for determining whether someone is a possible threat. Because the government tracks suspected terrorists as well as known terrorists, individuals can be watchlisted if they are suspected of being a suspected terrorist, or if they are suspected of associating with people who are suspected of terrorism activity.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Kudos to Intercept for bringing this to attention.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)for an important story.
crickets from the apologists.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)beer.)
Any protest that could be construed as anti-government--and most could-- fits the definition, especially if the protest in on public property.
Freedom of assembly, sometimes used interchangeably with the freedom of association, is the individual right to come together and collectively express, promote, pursue, and defend common interests.[1] The right to freedom of association is recognized as a human right, political right and civil liberty.
Freedom of assembly and freedom of association may be used to distinguish between the freedom to assemble in public places and the freedom of joining an association. Freedom of assembly is often used in the context of the right to protest, while freedom of association is used in the context of labor rights and the Constitution of the United States, is interpreted to mean both the freedom to assemble and the freedom to join an association.[2][not in citation given]
The United States Constitution explicitly provides for 'the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances'" in the First Amendment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_assembly
That must be some shredder.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)freedom of association, right to a presumption of innocence until proven guilty before a jury of your peers before government punishes you in any way, etc.
That must be some shredder.
Luckily for government, we don't seem to really care all that much. And, if we did, they have more firepower than we do.
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)'it hasn't effected me yet, so I'm not going to worry about it" or the populace just isn't well-informed on this subject. I noticed that this hasn't been mentioned at all on any cable news programs. It was generally ignored by the MSM with the exception of the NYT.
merrily
(45,251 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)I don't understand why there aren't a thousand recs for this post.
merrily
(45,251 posts)grad school.
I don't understand why there aren't a thousand recs for this post.
That is a polite way to put it.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)my assigned FBI agent told me was used as an alias once by a terrorist from South Yeman. He went on to say that there is/was a 15 point trigger, meaning if you triggered one point, BAM, your day just got real shitty! There was an article in a major magazine about us (everyone with a name like mine or similar), where a 78 year old black grandmother with a similar name to mine was stopped every time she flew to see her grand kids.
This was 13 years ago and I am still on it, as are millions more by now!
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)The article states how hard t is to get off the list , once they place you on it.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)For the 1st year it was a nightmare. The 1st time it happened I had guns drawn on me in the middle of a circular area with about 10 Gates all full of people waiting to board. Missed a lot of flights even when getting there extra early and took a whole lot of abuse! It's another excuse to search us!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)that their would be some movement in Congress to rein this in.
I was wrong.
hack89
(39,171 posts)there are some here that think that having your name on the list means you should be banned from owning guns.
Adam051188
(711 posts)thesquanderer
(11,986 posts)With all this orwellian redefinition of words, you can never be sure what anything means anymore...
aggiesal
(8,914 posts)any corpo-facist organization puts you on the list.
Just saying BOO to any government entity appears to make you
qualified to be placed on this list.
Good thing we have Obama.
Joe Shlabotnik
(5,604 posts)Thanks for posting.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, Luminous Animal.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)The guidelines provide the clearest explanation yet of what is happening when Americans and foreigners are pulled aside at airports and border crossings by government agents. The fifth chapter, titled Encounter Management and Analysis, details the type of information that is targeted for collection during encounters with people on the watchlists, as well as the different organizations that should collect the data. The Department of Homeland Security is described as having the largest number of encounters, but other authorities, ranging from the State Department and Coast Guard to foreign governments and certain private entities, are also involved in assembling encounter packages when watchlisted individuals cross their paths. The encounters can be face-to-face meetings or electronic interactionsfor instance, when a watchlisted individual applies for a visa.
In addition to data like fingerprints, travel itineraries, identification documents and gun licenses, the rules encourage screeners to acquire health insurance information, drug prescriptions, any cards with an electronic strip on it (hotel cards, grocery cards, gift cards, frequent flyer cards), cellphones, email addresses, binoculars, peroxide, bank account numbers, pay stubs, academic transcripts, parking and speeding tickets, and want ads. The digital information singled out for collection includes social media accounts, cell phone lists, speed dial numbers, laptop images, thumb drives, iPods, Kindles, and cameras. All of the information is then uploaded to the TIDE database.
Screeners are also instructed to collect data on any pocket litter, scuba gear, EZ Passes, library cards, and the titles of any books, along with information about their conditione.g., new, dog-eared, annotated, unopened. Business cards and conference materials are also targeted, as well as anything with an account number and information about any gold or jewelry worn by the watchlisted individual. Even animal informationdetails about pets from veterinarians or tracking chipsis requested. The rulebook also encourages the collection of biometric or biographical data about the travel partners of watchlisted individuals.
The list of government entities that collect this data includes the U.S. Agency for International Development, which is neither an intelligence nor law-enforcement agency. As the rulebook notes, USAID funds foreign aid programs that promote environmentalism, health care, and education. USAID, which presents itself as committed to fighting global poverty, nonetheless appears to serve as a conduit for sensitive intelligence about foreigners. According to the guidelines, When USAID receives an application seeking financial assistance, prior to granting, these applications are subject to vetting by USAID intelligence analysts at the TSC. The guidelines do not disclose the volume of names provided by USAID, the type of information it provides, or the number and duties of the USAID intelligence analysts.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)the money phrase. Same as "profiling."
Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)Or "Anyone who reads DU."
Or "Anyone who knows what DU is." (Which, oddly enough, would include most of the uber-"patriots" on The Site Which Shall Not Be Named.)
Or "Anyone who has Internet access and could potentially access DU."
Or "Anyone who has a computer."
Or "Anyone who knows someone who might have a computer."
That covers the obligatory six degrees, I think. I'm sure there are extra points (upgrades, as it were) for referring to the former CiC as "Shit-Fer-Brains," mocking Starship Captain Keith Alexander, or referring to that lyin' SOB Clapper as "that lyin' SOB."
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)"It also allows for dead people to be watchlisted."
Pholus
(4,062 posts)And there is the justification for the Utah center right there. You can't categorically classify people you know nothing about.
Files just like the Stasi but without the jars of scent. We use credit cards instead...
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)from Salon to the Guardian to The Intercept. Quite a few RW kooks, too, who (oddly enough) sneer at Glenn even though he is a "hardcore Libertarian" to some deluded fools
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)i discovered him through Digby.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)This needs to be kicked regular and often. As well as read!
If every Democrat in this country doesn't come out this fall and turn Congress blue again, we're in for it. Only a veto-proof/filibuster-proof Democratic Congress can turn all this injustice around. Or at least that's what has played out for a century or so.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)ReRe
(10,597 posts)... It's clear we can't depend on D.C. (Democratic Corporate) Presidents to do anything. It's just the next logical alternative in my mind. Yes, there's a bunch of DINOs that need to be booted. Or they just need to be counted as Republicans, when we are thinking about veto-proof/filibuster-proof numbers. What are your ideas on cleaning up this mess?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)This problem is compounded by the fact that there is no political will among the rank and file of the Democratic Party to hold its elected officials accountable for allowing these abuses to continue.
It's a matter of political courage. The common refrain from most Democrats is: if Democratic politicians reign in the out-of-control military-industrial-security complex, then Conservative politicians and pundits will accuse them of being "soft on terrorism." Thus, elected Democrats must go along with the security state to get along.
The solution is actually simple. Hold Democratic politicians accountable for their support of this nonsense by not re-electing them. If there are electoral consequences for destroying our civil liberties, then Democrats will learn that they cannot play the "lesser of two evils" card to avoid accountability. As it stands, Democratic politicians know that they can pretty much vote for any war or support any erosion of our basic civil liberties as long as they can point to a Republican opponent and claim that they would be worse. They have learned that they can get away with this behavior because we keep electing them no matter what bullshit they pull. Why shouldn't they feed at the military/industrial/security trough, when there are no consequences for doing so?
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... and uninformed electorate. John Q Public out there doesn't know all that you and I know. The role of the bought and paid for M$M, the psywar branch of the MIC, is to be sure that JQPublic is as stupid as mud. Enter the Internet. Do you think the Internet is educating, doing what the M$M is not, i.e. informing the public? Ha! I bet if you went out on the street and asked people what "Civil Liberties" are, it would be difficult to not laugh in their faces as they tried to answer the question. Half of them or more wouldn't even know who their elected representatives are.
I know what you mean about the Democratic politicians. They can't stand the heat when the Repubs criticize them. I've never seen such a bunch of sissies in my life. They all remind me of Harry Reid. They need to be more like Duval Patrick and grow a damn backbone.
Things sure don't look good, but I'll be damned if I'm going to throw in the towel and and go-along-to-get-along. Demographics may be our salvation, if we can get a REAL Democratic majority in both sides of the Capitol building.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I think most people would embrace it - especially when the going is rough, like it is now.
They're afraid of what might be their best tactic. Probably lots of reasons why.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)Look him up.
He ran for president several times. After FDR was elected in 1932 he enacted most of Thomas' socialist platform.
Norman Thomas was also a Presbyterian minister.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... get busy. They certainly have enough ammunition.
2banon
(7,321 posts)nevermind..
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)They were telling us something was wrong.
2banon
(7,321 posts)and violate whatever "secrets" agreement in revealing to the public what we actually need to know.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)(banned) source list like the ever dangerous RT and The Guardian.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Thanks Obama!
K&R
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)theres' a lot of reading for me to digest on this. So, i'm not qualified to speak about this particular information, except to say there is a flavor reminiscent of the 60's for me.. Dossiers on anti-war protestors, because after all they were radical anti-americans, which automatically qualified as "terrorist".
The difference, which is huge, there were no such thing as a "no fly" list then. There were illegal wiretaps, surveillance and worse. but we've graduated to a whole new different level which is best described in 1984 I think.
Pholus
(4,062 posts)Then again, maybe Sen Church didn't realize that there is a super-secret dictionary somewhere that defines "you will not" as "you will not (disclose that you are)".
What fun we are having here!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)"It also allows for dead people to be watchlisted." Of course vigilance is the best policy where walkers are concerned... Idiots.
My tax dollars support idiots on the government payroll! How come I can't get an exemption from paying for this kind of shit? Just like Hobby Lobby, I have strong beliefs. I think idiots should not be able to waste my tax money.