Did Osama Bin Laden win?

[trumad]

Just read the Jeremy Scahill piece on how easy it is to be put on the terrorist watch list.

Unbelievable.

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[randys1]

1. Hell yes he won, I thought we knew that when the Patriot Act came out

Stupid people react stupidly...not complicated

But thanks for the question and the point you are making, we forget just how easily manipulated we all are in the name of safety.

Hell, the rest of the world aint so safe, why do we think we have to be safer than anyone else?

Why do we think people want to kill Westerners?

Did they just wake up one day and want to or did the West do all nature of horrific shit to bring it on?

[Xipe Totec]

2. If the purpose of terrorism is to terrify, and we're scared shitless of owr own shadow now,...

Then yeah, he won.

[whatchamacallit]

3. I think you mean Osama Bin Cheney n/t

[blkmusclmachine]

4. ,

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[Uncle Joe]

5. I don't believe it's over until it's over but his ghost is certainly winning right now.

Thanks for the thread, trumad.

[MannyGoldstein]

6. We all lost. nt

[LLD]

7. Yeah he won.

Because they prefer to die than live. Same as Hamas. They all prefer death to life. This is why they continue fighting Israel to their death.

Hamas motto: "We love death as much as the Jews love life".

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[Pholus]

8. He forced us to outspend him tens of millions to one,

and successfully recognized that we would gladly destroy our freedoms ourselves with the right prompting.

Yeah, he's dead but I figure he was alive far longer than he must ever thought he'd be. He can give thanks to Bush for "I don't think about him much anymore..."

[defacto7]

9. No...

Those who used the message propagated the message, and those who fed on it lost.

He lost, we lost, everyone lost, but the blame spreads far beyond him.

[sarisataka]

10. Not yet anyway

At some point we must repeal the patriot act and drop secret watch lists to push back his gains

[BainsBane]

11. I hate when this place seems like a RW parody of liberals

Between this and the deodorant thread. Oy vey.

[NightWatcher]

12. Go look at who made billions and then you'll see the winners

Chertoff sold us fear and then went and sold us full body scanners in the airports.

Dick made a few bucks too

[BillZBubb]

13. Bin Laden won a large battle, but the war hasn't been decided yet.

He certainly changed how the US operates, and not for the better. He, with the help of bush and co., has ripped apart the Middle East and spread fundamentalism. So, several of his big goals were reached.

We don't know yet how it will all play out. So, he didn't win the war.

[TheKentuckian]

14. Yeah, we've spent ourselves into a hole and sold out our values

while destroying our international good will and whatever moral high ground we could argue.

By what definition could we be said not to lose and lose big?