Bernie Sanders: Pulled out from under the bus.

[MannyGoldstein]

It's wonderful to see how Bernie's been rehabilitated in the eyes of Sensible Democrats. Not so long ago, Bernie was an unrealistic fringe player spouting crazytalk.

Times have changed.

Now Bernie is a sage, his every utterance and action examined and loudly proclaimed by the Sensible Set (as long as it's not some inconvenient claptrap, like "Let's not starve and freeze old people by diverting their Social Security benefits to tax cuts for the rich&quot .

"Bernie agreed with Obama!" "Bernie voted for X along with Democrats!" "Bernie didn't attack Hillary".

It's wonderful that Bernie's getting the respect and attention that's his due, and I'm confident it will continue if/when he launches his campaign for the Democratic nomination for President.

Regards,

First-Way Manny

[L0oniX]

1. I'll take Bernie over Warren.

[truebluegreen]

5. I'll take either of them in a heartbeat

over Hillary.

[usaf-vet]

15. Why not both….. Bernie and Elizabeth

Sanders / Warren or Warren / Sanders. Two real Progressives.

[Plucketeer]

21. YES! Can you imagine???

I know I sure can!

[Veilex]

25. That would be nothing short of amazing!

I'm not sure I could volunteer fast enough to help those two get nominated.

[truebluegreen]

37. Even better...

with Alan Grayson as AG.

[Mojorabbit]

48. That combo would kick some azz! nt

[pablo_marmol]

43. I LOVE this idea, and would support it fiercely! NT

[ChisolmTrailDem]

16. Why is that? nt

[Scootaloo]

51. I'd rather keep them both in the legislature where they can keep legislating

in fact given the opportunity I would pack the house and Senate elbow to elbow with people just like them, long before I send any of those people to the White House.

Only when Congress is packed to the gills with good solid leftists - or at least, left-of-center people, I'm not horribly picky - will I start casting about for someone to take the captain's chair. And whoever that is will not be extracted from the Legislature, because we need liberals making the fucking laws.

[JDPriestly]

68. The president gets to choose the leader of the Democratic Party

usually. I want Sanders, and/or Warren and/or Grayson to do that.

I am tired of the third-wayers. They bailed out the banks and left homeowners to fall into bankruptcy. That was morally wrong, absolutely despicable.

I did not lose my home, but I know people who did. It had a negative effect on them and especially on their children. That was an ugly thing to do -- to let so many homeowners bear the brunt of the economic recession. Horrible. Shameful. And I will not vote for Hillary because Bill signed Glass-Steagall and NAFTA and many other poison-pill bills. The third-way Democrats are not the friends of ordinary Americans.

In addition, Hillary showed poor judgment and a lack of care and attention to detail in her vote for the Iraq War. Thousands died in part because of her vote.

Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Alan Grayson have shown good judgment about what is right for Americans.

Bernie Sanders is the most experienced and knowledgeable in general. Elizabeth Warren understands economics and law better than just about anyone in the Senate. And Alan Grayson is a fantastic speaker and fighter for the American people. I like all three.

[DesertDiamond]

73. I agree because Bernie is senior and we will have Warren around longer... Bernie for now and...

Elizabeth can be next! Wow! How about eight years of Bernie and then eight years of Elizabeth! That would be 32 frickin years of really awesome Presidents!!!

[Rod Beauvex]

74. Erm...

3 x 8 = 24. :p

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

77. DD likes BO a lot, too? lol

[snooper2]

2. Is this the thread for today, or is that only if it gets over 60 replies?

I forget the rules now

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Karl Rove and Rand Paul will contact me later today

Depending on what they think, I may or may not post more.

[snooper2]

6. I thought Karl Rove dead

[daleanime]

13. No, the evil that won't stay buried.....

is Cheney.

[Plucketeer]

22. Only his brain! NT

His mouth refused to quit.

[Autumn]

24. Oh thanks for the reminder. I have been lax posting and recing Manny's threads.

Sometimes I just get busy and forget to comment or rec.

[bigtree]

4. yeah, I used to think I was addressing individual posters here

. . . now I've learned from great performance artists like yourself that posters here are merely caricatures who's opinions and views expressed can be properly defined by the little political boxes you've placed them into.

Thanks, Impresario Manny!

[1StrongBlackMan]

12. +1 ...

[Nay]

7. That works for me. All Democrats in office should have a long track record

of acting and speaking like Bernie but they don't. It's not weird for many of us voters out here to wonder why that is.

Most of us have concluded that if you have not been making statements similar to Bernie's over the course of your political career, then you aren't a very convincing Democrat. So, why should we vote for you? Why should we think you'll turn into a champion of the people when you've shown no propensity to do so?

[Phlem]

23. perfect!

just perfect.

[rhett o rick]

8. Sen Sanders is doing the Democrats a big favor. He is showing the grass roots

that there is a choice other than the heir apparent. I will support Sen Sanders. If Democrats are smart they will elect someone in the primaries other than H. Clinton-Sachs.

[Puzzledtraveller]

9. Yours is an artform

[sadoldgirl]

10. Gee, how daring of you to bring this up

If you mention Sanders to most people, they believe you talk about chicken. If you mention the Senator here, you mostly get the following: I love/ respect/ agree with him, BUT.......
There is an anointed one, don't you know?

I hope he does run, and in my dreams I see Rachel Maddow as the questioning moderator at the debate. Oh well, it is time to attend to the garden.

[daleanime]

11. K&R....

[blackspade]

14. Are 'sensible' Democrats

The same as the reality based community (TM) run by the 'adults' around here?

[libodem]

17. I like Bernie

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[sabrina 1]

18. Bernie's long record of standing up for what we have always thought of as Democratic

principles, not just on one issue, but most of them, makes him the most desirable candidate for the WH. However, that very record is what will prevent him from getting there. He will never be allowed to undermine the Corporate Agenda that pervades both parties. They own the Republican Party, and have infiltrated the Dem Party with the Third Way candidates. If Dems win the WH again, it will be with a Corporate Dem. Sadly.

[libodem]

19. Sadly

What you say makes a lot of sense.

[gussmith]

20. Is This A Case of The Media Making the News?

When I hear Bernie Sanders say he is running for president, then I will be convinced.

[MannyGoldstein]

27. Not exactly

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders#Possible_2016_presidential_run

And other stuff on the Intertubes if you check.

[gussmith]

38. Good, Manny

I don't want the press to be making news, making us believe Bernie Sanders has a large following if it is just to ..make news. No Eric Cantor or even Romney false reporting on the polls.

[broiles]

26. Where were the brave Sanders and Warren on the Senate Resolution

Sanders and Warren lack the courage we need in leaders by not objecting to the sense of the Senate Resolution supporting Israel and condemning Hamas. They can't hide behind the fact there was no recorded vote. The nation knows the unanimous Senate authorized the resolution. We need leaders that help the public know the truth. Sanders and Warren--not to mention Obama -- don't fit the bill.

[MineralMan]

28. Under the bus only in your mind.

I've not seen anyone throw Bernie Sanders under any bus on DU. What I've seen is DUers saying that he should run as a Democrat in the primaries in 2016, if he chooses to run. I've even said clearly that I'd vote for him in my own primary election if he runs. I don't believe he will be the eventual nominee, however, based on historical precedent. My vote will go to the actual nominee in November of 2016.

This thread attacks people in general who don't seem to actually be on DU at all. Perhaps your mind is deceiving you in some way on this subject. I'd hate to think that was true, though.

Careful-way MineralManny

[JI7]

40. the ones throwing him under the bus are those who think he should oppose the senate resolution

to support israel.

[conservaphobe]

29. I think people should refrain from pitting a good man like Sen. Sanders

against other good people.

He doesn't operate in that manner and neither should his most ardent supporters.

[NCTraveler]

30. I didn't know their was a sizable crowd here opposed to Bernie.

Clearly this one went right over my head. I have seen nothing but overwhelming praise for him here. Some contention when it comes to running for President. Nothing else. I clearly miss your point.

I'm thinking that you are mixing up the boards you post on.

[KittyWampus]

33. There isn't. So one wonders what the motivation of the OP really is. To be divisive?

Sanders is one of the Congress critters who leans left that is pretty much universally admired on DU.

[NCTraveler]

35. That is what I was thinking.

That's why I think Manny may have mistaken boards he is on. Maybe he thought he was playing to a different audience.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

36. ... lol ...

[rhett o rick]

52. Actually it isn't a large crowd or group. It's small but vocal. Seems they are avid

H. Clinton-Sachs supporters. I am surprised you missed it. They really don't like any populist opposition to Wall Street Clinton.

[NCTraveler]

83. Pretty much every Hillary supporter I know loves Warren.

As you said, the op is speaking to a very small group. Pretty easy to miss when it isn't a large group. By the way, not sure how you missed that Warren is a supporter of Hillary. "They really don't like any populist opposition to Wall Street Clinton." That sentence goes against political reality.

[watoos]

31. The M$M is ignoring Sanders,

If he runs, he will beat Hillary. When he beats Hillary it will prove our country is left, or at least, center left.

[KittyWampus]

32. What an asinine straw man. Sanders is respected by pretty much ALL of DU.

Bu leave it to some DU'ers to constantly try and throw divisive crap out into GD.

[MannyGoldstein]

44. Well...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3691091

OP from same person today: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025288558

[Cali_Democrat]

50. The first post you linked to doesn't exist

Looks like you were unable to provide evidence of Bernie being tossed under the bus.

You, however, said you would overturn the election of Obama in favor of McCain:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3995915

You also said McCain's policies wouldn't be different than Obama's. The same guy that wants to use our military against everybody.

You also voted for Reagan in 1980.

So there's that....

[rhett o rick]

54. So are you here to praise Sen Sanders? Or disparage Manny? Maybe, just mess up the thread a little.

Funny how you and your friends jump into a thread like this that is in appreciation for Sen Sanders and yet you guys don't have anything good to say. Maybe a little disruption just before the election.

[MannyGoldstein]

56. He/she just deleted their nasty screed against Bernie that I linked to

Troll!

[NealK]

58. I went to the Internet archive and "undeleted" them.

Look down, post 57.

Well, here's the links to that page with many self-deleted posts:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130921041449/http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023688801

And one of the posts you linked to:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130921041449/http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023688801#post75

[MannyGoldstein]

59. Brilliant!

Thanks!

[NealK]

60. No problem.

[SixString]

75. ...

[MannyGoldstein]

55. You just deleted your post I linked to, where you called Bernie an unrealistic old man.

It was there.

You admitted to it in the post above that you also deleted.

Unbelievable. What a wimp.

You stand for *nothing* which perfectly explains your posting history on DU.

[Cali_Democrat]

62. LOL!!!

You still will never escape this post:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3995915

[NealK]

57. "The first post you linked to doesn't exist"

Sure it does:



https://web.archive.org/web/20130921041449/http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023688801#post75

And all the other ones you self-deleted can be seen too:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130921041449/http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023688801

You're welcome.

[Cali_Democrat]

63. zOMG

That's the most awful post ever seen on DU!!11!!

[NealK]

64. It took you all this time to come up with that lame reply?

[Cali_Democrat]

65. I wasn't on DU for the last 1.5 hours

I just logged back on

[NealK]

66. Sure you weren't.

[Cali_Democrat]

67. Oh noez!!

An anonymous poster on a message board doesn't believe that I wasn't on DU for the last 1.5 hours.

How will I ever recover?

I will never sleep again....

[MannyGoldstein]

61. Yes it does, thanks to NealK

You really suck at trolling.

[Pholus]

70. Wow did you get owned by the "Internet Archive."

Fascinating insight reading the edited DU thread and the archived thread side by side.

I can definitely see why you needed to edit history - though the parallels between your deletes and Soviet picture airbrushing are remarkable.

[rhett o rick]

53. Divisive? You say divisive? Can you spell PROJECTION. The H. Clinton-Sachs club

has no respect for Sen Sanders.

[SixString]

34. Kicikn' & Recin' the "Thread For Todaaayyyy"

[valerief]

39. Bernie has ALWAYS been a sage. Hell, the guy did a 8.5-hour filibuster.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?297021-5/senator-sanders-filibuster-

How many senators do that?

[DRoseDARs]

41. Well, plenty have, but most of them are assholes.

Bernie ain't an asshole.

[valerief]

78. Who are these plenty? nt

[DRoseDARs]

79. Here's a hint: Since 1908, Bernie's was shortest of the *actual* filibusters.

eom

[valerief]

80. Who are the plenty in the last 20 years? nt

[DRoseDARs]

81. Wow, didn't realize you were trying to be daft and pedantic.

I thought all I was doing was saying something positive about Sanders. Clearly I've offended you, somehow. You shame your avatar, madame.

[valerief]

82. Still waiting for the "plenty" list. nt

[sheshe2]

42. ...

[flamingdem]

45. Go Bernie!

I met him in Nicaragua at a Sandinista "do"

[MannyGoldstein]

46. Cool!

I never get to do fun things like that.

But I did see The Clash during their Sandanista! Tour.

[vt_native]

47. Bernie a Hypocrite on the F-35

He supports the basing in South Burlington, VT. This will render 3000 homes "incompatible with residential use" per Federal noise/health standards as stated in the million dollar Environmental Impact Statement prepared by the Air Force.

Bernie's failure to oppose the basing and the whole F-35 program, in general, makes his speeches about cutting wasteful defense spending sound a bit hollow to me. He is betraying his career long legacy of supporting affordable housing.

For the money wasted on the F-35 already, we could have bought a $600,000 house for every homeless person in America.

Very sad about Bernie's support for this moral abomination. Shame on you Bernie!

Flame on!

stopthef35.com

on edit: Manny, love your posts!

[sammy27932003]

69. I like Bernie and I would vote for him.

This man is always on twitter and teaching about the issues.We could use some left leaning around.I have not seen too much.I would also vote for Warren.I just want hillary to go away.

[djean111]

71. "Bernie agreed with Obama!" "Bernie voted for X along with Democrats!" "Bernie didn't attack Hillary

These statements (substitute Warren for Bernie, same thing applies) seem to be lame attempts to get Sanders supporters to love everything about Hillary or Obama after all, because hey! Sanders didn't attack Hillary, so that means he thinks she should be president, so you should, too! That kind of thing.
It is what happens when those who are personality-driven as opposed to policy-driven forget everyone is not like them.
That stuff just makes me laugh, it is so transparent.
And then there are those who don't realise that they are the real purists - they have the "purity" of agreeing with everything a politician does just because they support the politician - calling others purists because others disagree with a particular policy is illogical. This leads to the "Bernie didn't attack Hillary" stuff - because Bernie did not attack Hillary, people who admire Bernie's policies and do not admire Hillary's policies are supposed to now admire Hillary. Nonsensical at best.

It is policy, not personality.

[Jamastiene]

72. K&R

I love it!

[Nye Bevan]

76. I would very much welcome Bernie to run for the Democratic nomination.

At they very least it should make for some interesting debates.