Shooter targeting blacks in Tulsa, Oklahoma?

[mzteris]

The same attacker or attackers may be to blame for four early-morning shootings that left three people dead and two wounded within a three-mile span of north Tulsa, police in Oklahoma say.

All five victims were walking through neighborhoods not far from each other when they were shot early Friday, Tulsa homicide detective Sgt. Dave Walker told the Tulsa World.

All the victims were black, prompting the Rev. Warren Blakney Sr., NAACP Tulsa president, to say that someone appeared to be "targeting black people to shoot.”

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/04/07/11072844-shooter-targeting-blacks-in-tulsa-oklahoma?lite

[bart95]

1. wouldn't it be more responsible to learn the race of the shooter before saying that?

this guy going to issue an apology if the shooter turns out to be the same race?

[Ecumenist]

3. Um, Bart, I know you have problem with the NAACP but turns out, THE POLICE ARE SEARCHING

FOR A WHITE MAN IN A WHITE PICKUP. There are Human Monsters and wrong is wrong. If it turns out to be wrong, I'm sure that the shooter turns out to be black as some seem to be hoping, apologies will be forthcoming. You know, Bart, that unless you are actually involved in killing people, there's no reason for you to become defensive.
Again, Monsters SOMETIMES wear HUMAN disguises.

[bart95]

6. how would i know that, it didnt say so in the article

' I know you have problem with the NAACP'

and how, exactly, would you know that?

[Ecumenist]

8. I've read through your threads in the last couple of weeks. Comments do make impressions.

If you didn't mean to make that impression, mea culpa but I have read alot of your threads in the wake of Trayvon debacle and it's the impression based on things you've posted.

[bart95]

9. 'comments do make impressions'

that's odd, i dint recall making any about the NAACP

anywhere

but i have a huge problem with jumping to conclusions

and as far as 'alot of your threads in the wake of Trayvon debacle', that's very misleading. i've actually said very little about that debacle. technically, that air force jet crash occurred 'in the wake of the Trayvon debacle', but only because of when it occurred

a lot of innuendo in your postings here

[K Gardner]

48. Ditto. I have the same impression. n/t

[Occulus]

49. You are not alone in that.

And look at the way he shut his trap just a few posts down.

Busted, I would say. Publicly.

[freshwest]

10. Once again, not singling out any one state, but OK has a history:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulsa_race_riot

Is there any wonder why blacks are economically disadvantaged, when one sees that what they have worked to build with their hands has been repeatedly stolen from them, that they have been terrorized for generations?

Only the American Indians fought back when such things were done. I posted a link to similar events in Florida on another thread regarding Nazis. There are Nazis in OK and every state, including CA, who have actually won elections. Imagine that. My father who fought in WW2, must be spinning in his grave.

Ecumenist has posted the relevant facts. Those who recite the NBPP's bounty over Zimmermann, refuse to say Martin's family immediately condemned it, as well as the media maligned Reverends Sharpton and Jackson.

Blacks did not start these violent actions, they were trying to live their lives in peace and white people with festering wounds for brains did.

Oh, and I'm white, by the way.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

11. I remember them looking for a white van in the DC sniper case...

It is a little early to start postulating this as a race based.

If there are apologies forth coming, we will never hear about it.

[bart95]

12. exactly - the only thing we know at this point

is that we dont know

there's nothing more irresponsible, than fueling reprisals against people who may have had nothing to do with it

[Ecumenist]

66. Well, whadya know, Bart, turned out to be two human monsters who just happen to be white...The

reprisals were not warranted nor deserved but happened anyway. 5 innocent people, minding their own business and at least 2 of them had the bad form to try to help out someone who asked for directions only to get shot. this is what I was trying tell you. This happens ALOT more than what the country if hearing about.

Did you hear about eh man who was walking home in Mississippi and 5 of the local kids, who had pretty much formed a gang and were known for racist violence and generalised bullying), first beat him and then RAN HIM OVER WITH A suv? It was caught on video and was used to convict him and him fellow monsters. They actually said they were going to go out to "f@ck with n****rs. They beat this man and then ran him over as he was stumbling trying to get away and then had the nerve to use the most vile language to brag about murdering that innocent man. It happened last year, june 26 2011!!

Deryl Dedmon is the murderer's name, 18 years old and he was given 2 consecutive life sentences. The man he murderered along with his fellow pantywaisted creeps? 49 year old James Anderson. His family plead with the court not to seek the death penalty against this young man.

I bet you that if I were to put up a post asking people to submit situations like the one in Oklahoma and mississippi, it would be AT least 50 posts long,probably longer. This is the America's dirty little secret. It's a sad day that we're still dealing with this.

[Ecumenist]

14. Progressive, I WATCHED A NEWS CONFERENCE WHERE THE AUTHORITIES GAVE OUT THE DESCRIPTION of the

shooter provided by one or more of the survivors.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. Look to the DC sniper case as what can go wrong with that kind of information...

All sorts of things were being given out, massive media coverage and pontificating, and just about all of it wrong.

We need to take a few deep breaths, get our O2 level up a little, and give the bubbas on the ground a chance to run it to ground.

BTW, this may be the next shiny object for the media which will distract them from Zimmerman.

[Solomon]

17. The dc sniper was not targeting blacks. they shot

people indiscriminately. Has nothing to do with this situation.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

18. You are right only in the sense he is in jail. All the rest is presumption

except that we do know that the cops and media got it serious wrong in the DC case.

What I am suggesting is giving the cops a little more time to get more details and generally do the cop thing before the pontification starts.

[bart95]

19. 'Has nothing to do with this situation. '

has everything to do with this situation

people shooting others, we dont know why, and people jumping to conclusions

[Solomon]

22. excuse me but the op said " targeting blacks"

now you'he expanded it into "people shooting others"

whatever that means. The dc sniper did not target blacks, but shot indiscriminately.

[bart95]

23. what proof do you have of the motive?

what proof did the article offer?

seems like you know things only the killer would know at this point

[Rex]

24. Thank you for making that point.

Some people around here cannot handle the fact that a white man is killing black people in cold blood. Why is that? Such a curious intention imo.

[bart95]

26. 'handle the fact that a white man'

can you cite this fact?

(and it's a 'curious intention' on your part if you cant)

my intention is 'A rumor can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on'

what's yours?

[Rex]

29. What part of 'white man in a white pickup truck' do you not understand?

I guess you ignore the obvious...out of what reason I really can only guess at.

[bart95]

31. has anyone cited a link to that?

or any knowledge of the motivations?

i notice you declined to cite the 'fact', as i asked

[Spazito]

36. Here's a link for you...

"Tulsa police spokesman Capt. Jonathan Brooks said investigators were looking into whether the shootings may have been possible hate crimes.

"We're not absolutely certain, but a hate crime is a possibility. And we'll go with where the investigation leads us," he said.

All of the victims are black. The suspected shooter is a white male and is believed to be traveling in a white truck, said Brooks.

snip

"They range in age from 31 to 54. They were shot over the course of seven hours at four different street locations in the early morning, Brooks said."

http://www.ktxs.com/news/30851548/detail.html

[malaise]

37. Further what part of five black men shot with three dead and two critical

does he not understand?

[pinboy3niner]

40. Moreover, the ID of the shooter as white is not conjecture--he spoke to the 2 survivors

"The two victims who survived told police that the suspect pulled up and asked for directions just before firing."

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/07/us/oklahoma-shootings/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[malaise]

41. Absolutely correct

I don't get the confusion

[nadinbrzezinski]

43. Hate to say it, not confusion.

[malaise]

45. I was being euphemistic

[siligut]

50. DU rules prevent me from calling you an idiot

It's a shame, but rules are rules.

[liberalhistorian]

52. Unfortunately, it seems to me that there are a few people who are

way too eager for this OK shooter to be black. Now, I wonder why that could be? Hmmmmm..........

[Rex]

25. LOL!

Can you believe how some will bendover backwards to deny facts?

[Ecumenist]

33. I've noticed. It's getting tiresome. Really it is.

[liberalhistorian]

51. bart has a problem with the NAACP?

Wow. If that's true, then that's surprising to find that on here; I'd expect it more from FR. That's discouraging.

[bart95]

62. can someone please point to the post where i have ever mentioned them?

or where i have ever made the kind of false accusation that was just made against me?

if you'd like to 'expose' bad people here, you dont need to resort to those kinds of tactics, you can do it with the truth

can't you?

[NYC_SKP]

2. Neighborhood watch, mebbe?

What's the likelihood that Zimmerman's actions have emboldened others?

[Ecumenist]

4. Very, especially when you add in the HUGE problem with meth in Oklahoma

My mother's family is from Tulsa. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[lonestarnot]

5. ALEC payroll maybe?

[malaise]

38. Amd don't forget hate radio led by Rush Scumbaugh n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

7. Geeze...WTF is going on?

It seems blacks can't even walk down the street anymore.

[Ecumenist]

13. Cali, this is just an airing of one of the dirtiest secrets of America.. Unfortunately, this is all

too common. In 1989, I was on my way to an appontment here in downtown Sacramento. When we got there, we had to cross the street to get from where we parked to the appointment. Lying in the street was a body which had just been covered and copious amounts of blood was streaming from the body, (it was flowing into the gutter). We didn't find out until after we got back home that it was the body of a elderly black pastor who had the misfortune to be crossing the street just as a nut, ( he turned out to be a rabid racist with diagnosed paranoid schizophrenia) shot him because he was "hunting n*****rs". I missed possibly catching that bullet by less than a minute.

This happens all too often.

[bart95]

16. 'a rabid racist with diagnosed paranoid schizophrenia'

should we test all diagnosed paranoid schizophrniacs for racism, and release them if found not to have it?

what about 'Son of Sam'? claimed that he was commanded to kill by a demon who possessed his neighbor's dog.

seems like we should lock up all paranoid schizophrenics who have racist tendencies OR have a neighbor dog named 'Sam'

from wikipedia

Psychological profile and other police investigationsAfter consulting with several psychiatrists, police released a psychological profile of their suspect on May 26, 1977. He was described as neurotic and probably suffering from paranoid schizophrenia and believed himself to be a victim of demonic possession.[19]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_sam

[sudopod]

20. Step off. She was just sharing an experience.

If you're hurting for pizza so bad, there are easier ways.

[bart95]

21. no, it was a legitimate challenge of attribution

my point being that what son of sam and the person she was describing had in common was a mental illness, specifically paranoid schizophrenia, not the ideas. surely you don't hold david berkowitz's neighbor's dog 'Sam' as the cause of his shootings, do you?

and the exchange between me and her in this thread was not started by me. she titled her post 'the dirtiest secret in America (implying as Americans, we are ALL guilty), then based it off an action done by a guy with the same illness as 'Son of Sam'

if you have more to offer than 'inside' threats of banning, feel free to offer it

otherwise YOU step off

[Ecumenist]

39. Lots of people have Schizophrenia,,,,REALLY?? What do I have to gain by telling a horrific lie?

That's okay, I'll wait for your answer...

[nadinbrzezinski]

44. Sorry the one who is way off is the one

Who should look in a mirror.

Having a few issues with what actual racism looks like?

[Solomon]

55. lol. another example of white privilege White mass

murderers are ALWAYS presumed to be mentally ill.

[bart95]

58. last i checked, son of sam is stil in prison

but i'm sure his cell reflects 'white privilage'

[Rex]

27. So you cannot handle a firsthand experience told by someone

so you post this garbage? Pathetic.

[bart95]

28. she called it 'the dirtiest secret in America' in the title

she listed the action as being done by (in her own words) as a 'diagnosed paranoid schizophrnic', the same as 'son of sam', then blamed it on our whole country

i wouldnt call that a 'dirty secret of my country', i'd call it a sad reality of mental illness

sorry pride in your nation is such a hard thing for you to understand

[Rex]

30. BFD I am a retired vet...you keep bending over backwards

it is funny for us all to watch as you flail around from one tangent to the next.

[bart95]

32. if there was more than a tangent in your post

i missed it

[Ecumenist]

35. Since you insist on twisting my words, let me help you... AMERICA'S DIRTIEST LITTLE SECRET

is the fact that people of color have HISTORICALLY been targeted by those with a twisted agenda. There. see I fixed it for you. Don't you dare accuse me of hating my country....Sure you're posting at the right board, Bart? I love my country but the face that she has, at times, shown us is VERY different from the one she shows the you. Now tell me I'm lying....

[liberalhistorian]

53. Jesus Christ, will you fucking listen to yourself?

What she meant by the "dirtiest little secret in America" was the fact that blacks cannot even walk around their own neighborhoods, much less a lot of other places, without fear of this shit happening to them and that whites simply don't understand that because it's not part of our reality and because the media generally doesn't do too much in the way of publicity of them (it's too busy wailing endlessly over missing pretty white gals to bother with it). THAT is what she was referring to, NOT mental illness and I think you damn well know that.

[bart95]

59. i guess that's true, whites can walk anywhere without fear

why dont you go take a nice long walk in chicago?

(and no, I'm not the person this holiday celebrates)

[liberalhistorian]

64. Given that I'm white, I have a helluva lot less fear

and less chance of anything happening to me at the hands of either fearful whites engaging in racial profiling or the police. The graduate school I attend in a large midwestern city has many black and minority students, however, who cannot say that. These fellow students of mine cannot even take a walk not far from the school without being constantly stopped by the cops and asked "their business there." When they're doing nothing but minding their own damned business; sometimes they're even more formally dressed. Those who live in the city and not on campus cannot even stand in front of their own homes or apartments without being questioned and harassed by the police, neighbors and passersby. Like only whites can walk and live around there. I'm white, so I have no such problems.

[HangOnKids]

56. Where The Fuck Did Pride In The Nation Come Into Question?

This is the same shit RWers spewed about Michelle Obama. You have that shit down bart95, why is that? ODD.

[bart95]

60. when have i ever shown disrespect toward our First Lady? nt

[Rex]

87. That is what happens when someone is so desperate

that they run out of straw. RWing talking points indeed. Guess some cannot handle facts very well or just deny they exist.

[Ecumenist]

34. WHEN THE SOB WAS ARRESTED, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT HE WAS A DIAGNOSED SCHIZOPHRENIC AND

BELONGED TO A NEO-NAZI GROUP and THE CHURCH OF CHRISTIAN IDENTITY!! How difficult is that to figure out? LOL!! Wow, like I said, you really make me wonder....THERE WERE RECORDS, MEDICAL RECORDS, DEAR! His poor mother was devastated and just keep sobbing about the fact that they'd tried to get him admitted to Napa State because he was becoming VERY violent and threatening to do EXACTLY what he ended up doing. Now, are you going to tell me that I'm lying? Really?

[liberalhistorian]

54. Fascinating how quiet he's become

all of a sudden, isn't it? LOL

[bart95]

61. facinating that not eveyone spends their entire saturday at the computer

try some fresh air sometime

it's good for you

[liberalhistorian]

63. When I need condescension, I can call my mother.

I have a perfectly full life, this afternoon of which was spent cleaning, reading, crosswording, studying and taking the dog for walks in the sunshine and fresh April air, and only occasionally on the intertubes. You don't really have a response to what people are saying, so you're resorting to more personal assumptions and condescensions. How classic.

[trumad]

68. Dude

It sure looks to me that you spent equal time on a Saturday posting in this thread.

Don't you have sheets to hang?

[Rex]

88. DUDE!!!

I miss The Dude!

[trumad]

89. Dude just got whacked by Skinner.

[Rex]

91. Oh snap!!!

This is looking like a house cleaning party! The other day I saw a zombie get wacked...member since 2001 and only had 7 posts! Dunno what repeat zombie it was, but I hope all their 'sleeper accounts' get banned for life!

Skinner is on the warpath!

[NYC_SKP]

42. The election of Barack Obama really sent the roaches out into the light.

They are emboldened by the hype, the hate, and the willingness of the media to play it out that way.

It was always here, in the shadows, dying (or so I had been hoping), but it's still alive.

I'm sure glad that bullet missed you, but how sad for the poor pastor.

[malaise]

46. 100% correct

[Ecumenist]

47. Thank you, NYC_SKP! He was elderly and dearly loved by members of the community

I believe he was in his late 70's-early 80's. The mother of the poor slob that killed him was just so totally devastated and she kept apologising and sobbing for what her son had done. Bless her heart. The family had done everything short of knocking him over the head, hogtying him and dragging him to the state mental hospital.

She felt he had been taken advantage of by groups he had joined to do their dirty work. He was actually threatening and vowing to do EXACTLY what he ended up doing. I always wondered if it was somehow connected with the murders that were taking place up and down the west coast at the time. I believe that Mulugeta Seraw was murdered the same year in Portland Oregon, It was discovered that Tom Metzger and his spawn john who had sent "emissaries" to expand the neo-nazi movement and organised murders to that end. I have always wondered if this murder was somehow part of that reign of terror that year.

[Rex]

90. IMNSHO, they are enraged that President Obama is doing

a better job of saving the country from ruin (caused by their head cockroach Dick Cheney) then any other president since LBJ!

And he has a huge amount of charisma (it pores out of the man naturally), can play 6th dimensional chess in his sleep, has a beautiful wife and beautiful children. Babies love him (unlike the last guy) and he can sit and chat with the common person without any airs about him.

They hate him because he is such a good fit with the American people, they hate it and are enraged by it imo.

It reflects back in their face all the ugly self-loathing and hatred they project daily.

[vaberella]

57. They never could.

You are White I am assuming. You are now hearing something that is the normal for every Black person in the United States since we've been here. Do no assume because we have a Black man for President that the world has changed that much in America. If in one way it changes it manifests itself in another way. Lynchings still go on in this country even if it's not the public spectacle it used to be, "pick-a-ni@@er" blatantly still goes on as we see a above.

I'm a New York Black female who lived during Guilani's reign in NYC---lets just say it wasn't a good idea to be on the street while being darker than yellow during sunset. And the list of cop on Black crime during that time is unmatched I would think.

[HipChick]

65. Thank You...

People are acting like this is brand new...when its an everyday experience..

[quaker bill]

67. Two were just arrested. See LBN

[trumad]

69. Yep---two white guys

I guess that disrupts barts narrative.

[bart95]

70. well, i sure hope they dont talk

because every white person in the USA was in on it

[The Magistrate]

71. Stupid Does Not Hurt Nearly So Much As It Ought To, Fella

[bart95]

73. you'd know better than any of us nt

[The Magistrate]

75. When You Make A Joke, Sir, You Assume An Obligation To Be Funny....

[bart95]

77. well, the target of my remark didn't leave me much to work with nt

[The Magistrate]

81. Do Not Blame Others For Your Own Failures, Sir

Own up to it like a man, and accept your condition and station in life.

[bart95]

82. i will admit

that 'you can be thankful for that' would have been a better line

i'm not a morning person

[The Magistrate]

83. Quit While You Are Behind, Sir: Be Kind To Yourself

You are your own best friend.

[trumad]

72. I see you've come back for more ass kicking...

[bart95]

74. for one so opposed to violence, you sure dont talk like it nt

[trumad]

76. What makes you think I'm opposed to violence.

For instance---I'd have no problem kicking a trolls ass if he got in my face.

[bart95]

78. does it occur to you, that all the threats of violence in this thread, are

coming from you?

[trumad]

79. Let's just say the first ass kicking comment was metaphorical.

The troll ass kicking, not so much.

Dude--- I seriously think your time is short at DU so enjoy while you can.

[bart95]

80. oh wow, is that another threat? nt

[trumad]

84. From me?

Trust me---if I had the power to zap your ass on this forum--- you'd have been gone right out of the gate.

But I don't--- it's kind of a community thing--- but I trust you will soon expose yourself even more and then buuuu bye.

[pinboy3niner]

85. From your lips to Skinner's ears...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=281821&sub=trans

[trumad]

86. Smelled that one a mile away..