A must read !!!!The horrors of events taking place in the Gaza?.

[busterbrown]

A must read on the origins of this conflict...

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

[Lithos]

1. A great site

If you want to believe Jews allowed the Holocaust to happen.

[busterbrown]

2. Conflating the two issues...

Is just plain irresponsible.. and ignorant...

[Lithos]

3. How so?

I'll get the popcorn and you can tell me all about the I/P situation.

L-

[busterbrown]

4. You perhaps should reread the article.

I don’t intend to to engaged with people who ignore facts and history.

Save your popcorn for one of your fictitious favorite T.V. shows..

[Lithos]

10. I am very familiar with the website

And am very familiar with the conflict. Any site which provides to magically give you an overly simple "answer" to the I/P situation is to be suspect, as the simpler the answer the greater the cognitive dissonance and the greater the chance they are peddling memes which have a very sinister background.

This conflict has been over 200 years in the making. There are whole university programs on the basis of the I/P situation, causes and proposed solutions. Many books and scholarly articles have been written by far more involved people who take the time to study facts. Most analysts find fault and blame to all sides and anyone who is unilateral only shows their lack of knowledge and their total bias.

Back to the topic at hand, IAK/CNI have a strong history of association and tolerance of people like David Duke, Pete McCloskey and Paul Findley, the latter two sitting on the boards of IAK/CNI. The money trail to IAK also comes from Saudi Arabia who has funded their activities for years.

If you want to impress me with your knowledge of I/P, please quote things like "bittterlemons.org" or an actual book by someone with actual credentials.

L-

[busterbrown]

11. Did you even read the piece?

It is one of the most complete and historically based articles I have ever read..

But tell me specifically how the members of this group are tied to anti-semetic groups..

Start with the ones who are mentioned in this link..

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/about_us/whoweare.html

[Lithos]

12. I've answered both

Yes, I have read it. I've also ready it in the many iterations of the website over the past 10+ years it's been up. Their summaries are simple and biased. Summary - it's only Israel's fault. Zionists are uniformly evil, the Palestinians are innocent. Almost reads like Dershowitz's history "Case for Israel", but in reverse. Though to be honest, he at least used footnotes. You've read this similarly biased book?

I've already answered the case for "whoweare".

- Allison Weir - has pushed the canards of behind the scenes Jewish influence in government. Not only for AIPAC, but that Jews exerted undue influence of US opinion to enter the war against Germany in WW 1 to get Britain to take over Palestine (and thus promote a Jewish homeland). She also said that the Holocaust is the result of a Zionist attempt to garner sympathy and support for Palestine. She has appeared on media broadcasts of American Free Press (an overt Anti-Semitic group - see Southern Poverty site http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/05/06/anti-semitic-weekly/) as has directly refused to disassociate herself from David Duke.

Paul Findley has similar creds...


L-

[busterbrown]

14. “She said, she said, she said"

“She has appeared........." And then you provide a link to an anti-semetic website with no mention of Allison Weir..

If you can not provide a link between Allison Weir and the American Free Press, then you can peddle your mis-information somewhere else.. By the way AIPAC for 40 yrs has towed the right wing American /Israeli lies concerning the I/P situation.
Why would Ms. Weir be connected with them?..

[Lithos]

16. You do realize

You just called the Southern Poverty Law-Center anti-Semitic

See also:

http://blog.adl.org/international/alison-weir-jewish-power-american-free-press

And the link to the podcast.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=%22Alison+Weir%22+site%3Aamericanfreepress.net+podcast+Israel

[busterbrown]

18. No... I’m calling the anti-defimation league

incredibly biased against Palestinian’s, hell bent on destroying their civil liberties..

Yea I think most would have understand that it was my error..But you sure wanted to highlight it,,

Your links are to pro Israel right wing sites...

[Lithos]

19. Not sure I follow

Allison Weir voluntarily posted on an American Free Press podcast. This is a fact from the American Free Press website. The last link I posted is the published link to this podcast.

American Free Press is unabashedly an anti-Semitic website product of Willis Carto. The SPLC (Southern Poverty Law Center) has said as much. Do you agree/disagree? Does it matter that the ADL has said as much?

Wikipedia has this comment: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Free_Press#Critics

However in the end, you have just categorized the SPLC as both anti-Semitic and anti-Palestiinian website.

Enough. This speaks volumes of DU3. I'm ashamed for Skinner and company for the sad state they've let their website fall.

L-

[busterbrown]

22. How could anyone but a full on pro Israel war mongering right winger..

not agree with Ms Weir’s questions to the New York Times?

She is anything but ant-Israel.. Pointing out to the world, that the current Israeli-Govt is nothing more than a war waging,
fear mongering govt which is using the tactics of fear in order to maintain power..

The Netanyahu Govt. could have copied the Bush/ Cheney playbook on how to ignore humanity in order to achieve political and economic gain..

http://alisonweir.org/

[busterbrown]

20. You are Transparent...

The ADL attacks anyone violently who doesn’t tow the line with regards to full support for Israel and it’s
violent approach to the Palestinian Situation.

Using the ADL as a source speaks volumes about you!!!

[Lithos]

21. LOL

Even though the SPLC agrees with the comment, you are choosing to attack me on the grounds that I also included an ADL link.

L-

[busterbrown]

23. American Free Press is a piece of shit CATO operation..

Tell me again how Ms Weir courted their friendship... Because they interviewed her and misrepresented what she said?

[Lithos]

24. She willingly appeared on their podcast

And interviewed by their agent.

[busterbrown]

25. And tell me what she said that makes her an anti-semite..n/t

[Lithos]

26. Appearing on an anti-Semitic podcast is not enough?

Sheesh

She is actively supporting an anti-Semitic group, and has actively supported the agendas of anti-Semitics such s David Duke.

This is not something anyone would do willingly, unless they also supported such a thing.

Enough. I will not answer anymore. Denial is more than a river in Egypt.

L-

[busterbrown]

27. Tell me exactly how she supported David Duke.

"Appearing on an ant-semeitic podcast is enough”

Guilt by association?...I’ve been reading about her associations with anti-semetic groups and all the pieces are written by Right Wing anti-Palestinean hate groups... The same type of scum right wingers who supported Bush/Cheney..

If I could get on an right wing anti-Palestinian podcast, I’d do it in a second...According to you, it does,,

Honestly, you sound like a very intelligent guy, who will do anything to confuse or mis-disrect anyone who might object to how
Israel has emasculated the Gaza Strip over the past 30 years..

How can you sit there and think the Israeli’s are justified in what they are doing... How many Israel’s have died? Less than 10?and how many Palestinians have died? over 1000? and yet you validate all of what Israel is doing..

You should be ashamed...

[Lithos]

28. David Duke has actively quoted her

Most of her writings over the past ten years have appeared on his website. When given the chance to disassociate herself and IAK from David Duke, she chose to avoid the question altogether.

She has done similarly over the past ten years. Again, I've been following this website over this time. Her associations with Anti-Semites is well known, the monies funding her are from Saudi Arabia and other very biased sources, her own writings have been proven intellectually lacking and wrong in many cases.

Why do you persist in choosing this as a sole source?

L-

[busterbrown]

29. You consistently sound as though you are part of the Israeli Right Wing Spin Machine.

He quotes her because he will use any source to defame Israel. She is critical of Israel and I totally agree with practically everything she says.. and so obviously a hate group would gladly quote her..Just because an anti-sermetic hate group quotes Ms Weir doesn’t mean she has any connection with that hate group..

Her “association with Anti-Semites is well known” is such a freaking broad statement and surely I’m not accepting the fact that the David Duke connection is valid..

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. Great read. Thanks for posting. K&R

[Rhinodawg]

6. Ifamericansknew , run by an anti-Semitic psychotic ..

Is allowed to pass as discourse ?

[busterbrown]

7. When in doubt just throw any shit out there and hope it sticks..

How about a link??

In the meantime...

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/about_us/whoweare.html

[Rhinodawg]

8. It's just not worth my time.

Good luck.

[busterbrown]

9. Of course it isn’t... But one would think....

that a situation as serious and horrific as this would be worth the effort of providing a link..

[malaise]

13. Wheel and come again

The meme no longer works


Very good read

[busterbrown]

15. I’m amazed at the push back...

[malaise]

17. The world is sick of neo-cons

We've seen through the lies - we know the game.
We know genocide and land theft when we see it. EFUGGINGNOUGH!