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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 10:01 AM Jul 2014

GOP’s 30-year spin job is over: Why we are NOT a center-right nation

From minimum wage to the environment to abortion, America is far more liberal than the media or the right admit

JOSHUA SAGER


It is a persistent belief among many in the political and media establishments, fed by decades of right-wing propaganda, that the United States is a “center-right nation” that finds progressives to be far too liberal for mainstream positions of power.

If you look purely at electoral outcomes, those who assert this appear to have a fairly strong point. The last several decades of federal politics have been dominated by center-right policies and truly left-wing politicians have been largely marginalized (e.g., Bernie Sanders). Even Clinton and Obama — the last two Democratic presidents who, theoretically, should be leftists — are corporate-friendly moderates who have triangulated during negotiations with Republicans to pass center-right policy compromises (e.g., Obama’s Heritage Foundation-inspired ACA or the Clinton Defense of Marriage Act compromise).

While electoral results may support the idea of a center-right nation, looking beyond electoral politics — which involve a mixture of policy choices, party politics, fundraising and propaganda — and focusing purely upon raw policy preferences leaves us with an entirely different picture.

Here is a compilation of polling data from various reputable American polling organizations, describing the policy preferences of the Americans people over the last year.

more:
http://www.salon.com/2014/07/28/gops_30_year_spin_job_is_over_why_we_are_not_a_center_right_nation/
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GOP’s 30-year spin job is over: Why we are NOT a center-right nation (Original Post) DonViejo Jul 2014 OP
what we have is a center-left country with far too much money & power in the hands of the far right. unblock Jul 2014 #1
But for some reason, this just isn't translating into votes. Loudly Jul 2014 #2
I thought the democrats in congress had more votes than the republicans B Calm Jul 2014 #4
A million more... Lochloosa Jul 2014 #5
Yeap, we no longer have a functioning democracy... only 2 times in US history has a group voted that uponit7771 Jul 2014 #13
That is a deceptive map. The blue areas are the high population areas. Lochloosa Jul 2014 #6
Exactly right. truebluegreen Jul 2014 #10
That will likely be the next Supreme Court case - TBF Jul 2014 #20
PLUS ONE! Enthusiast Jul 2014 #21
It always amazes me how all that empty land gets so many votes. Bandit Jul 2014 #25
The irony is that people support liberal positions alp227 Jul 2014 #3
This lie is still repeated on... Mike Nelson Jul 2014 #7
Something like this? Lochloosa Jul 2014 #8
+1 B Calm Jul 2014 #12
+2 Mike Nelson Jul 2014 #18
that's really kinda old news stupidicus Jul 2014 #9
The dem party leadership has bought in to spin KG Jul 2014 #11
The dem party leadership has conveniently bought in to spin. Enthusiast Jul 2014 #23
The Big Lie Technique In Action colsohlibgal Jul 2014 #14
It's not over until people stop voting as if it were true Silent3 Jul 2014 #15
Is that Reagan shitstain starting to come out? santamargarita Jul 2014 #16
One label, center right, center, center left really doesn't fit. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #17
I thinkyou are right, but only on issues that are very complicated, as I think issues on the CTyankee Jul 2014 #19
The real problem: Most of the "center-left" is too passive ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #22
I would give more credit to the strictly controlled corporate message on network news Enthusiast Jul 2014 #24

unblock

(52,224 posts)
1. what we have is a center-left country with far too much money & power in the hands of the far right.
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 10:15 AM
Jul 2014

and a system set up to ensure the continued power of the minority on the far right at the expense of the majority in the center-left.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
4. I thought the democrats in congress had more votes than the republicans
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jul 2014

in the last election.

uponit7771

(90,336 posts)
13. Yeap, we no longer have a functioning democracy... only 2 times in US history has a group voted that
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 11:19 AM
Jul 2014

...overwhelmingly in favor of the party in power and not won the seats.

Lochloosa

(16,064 posts)
6. That is a deceptive map. The blue areas are the high population areas.
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jul 2014

There were over a million more votes cast for Dems for the House.

Gerrymandering has diluted that reality in many areas of the country.

This one works a little better...

TBF

(32,060 posts)
20. That will likely be the next Supreme Court case -
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 03:05 PM
Jul 2014

they are already giving corporations higher status.

Bandit

(21,475 posts)
25. It always amazes me how all that empty land gets so many votes.
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 05:42 PM
Jul 2014

Population centers are blue and empty land is always red..

alp227

(32,023 posts)
3. The irony is that people support liberal positions
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 10:42 AM
Jul 2014

but are conditioned by talk radio and other media to shy away from the liberal label

Mike Nelson

(9,955 posts)
7. This lie is still repeated on...
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 10:53 AM
Jul 2014

By "morning Joe" and his ilk. The map which looks red is actually blue - people vote, not land.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
23. The dem party leadership has conveniently bought in to spin.
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 05:02 PM
Jul 2014

To satisfy their big corporate contributors.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
14. The Big Lie Technique In Action
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 11:26 AM
Jul 2014

Gerrymandering, propaganda by Fox and others, and undue influence by sparely populated states and areas, have been keeping this big lie from being exposed.

Silent3

(15,211 posts)
15. It's not over until people stop voting as if it were true
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 11:30 AM
Jul 2014

It's stupid, the electoral results are unrepresentative, but it isn't over yet.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
17. One label, center right, center, center left really doesn't fit.
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 12:21 PM
Jul 2014

Sure we can make a list of polling data the show sizable majorities are liberal on those issues. The republicans can do the same for right wing issues.

The problem lies with the WEIGHTING of the issues in peoples voting behavior. For instance, it is very easy to get people to claim to support protecting the environment. Liberal right? But then when environmental protection clashes with some other issue they hold dearer, the environment is forgotten. We see this time and again. A lot of right wingers "support the environment, but..."

My interpretation of the data is that at this point in our history the US is to the right of center on preponderance of issues that matter. We had a chance to change that after bush's disastrous presidency, but for many reasons we failed. The pendulum will swing back to the left, but we're not there yet.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
19. I thinkyou are right, but only on issues that are very complicated, as I think issues on the
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jul 2014

environment are for some. And often environmental concerns are paired up with a jobs question and if pitted against each other, jobs win every time.

The only issues I can think of that are more straightforward for most people is whether or not they support SS, Medicare and UI. Those tend to be unencumbered by hot button subjects like race and abortion, for example.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
22. The real problem: Most of the "center-left" is too passive
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 05:01 PM
Jul 2014

And more than willing to let the right and far-right drown them out.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
24. I would give more credit to the strictly controlled corporate message on network news
Mon Jul 28, 2014, 05:05 PM
Jul 2014

and TV in general. We have been drowned out because we do not have equal access to the airwaves.

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