Hillary kinda called the Israeli government a bunch of liars

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The major headlines from Hillary Clinton's comments about Israel were her misguided apologism for Israel's Ba'ath-like brutality in Gaza.

But, in terms of the long game and eventual resolution of the conflict, she appears to see things with very clear eyes.

Zakaria: Martin Indyk has just resigned as the kind of sherpa of the peace process. And he says that the immediate trigger, in his view – there were many – was the fact that the Palestinians looked at the Israeli continued settlement activity…

Clinton: Right.


Zakaria:…and said these guys are not serious, we’re never going to be able to get a state…

Right.

Zakaria:…look at what they’re doing.

Clinton: This is my biggest complaint with the Israeli government. I’m a strong supporter of Israel, a strong supporter of their right to defend themselves. But the continuing settlements, which have been denounced by successive American administrations on both sides of the aisle, are clearly a terrible signal to send if,at the same time, you claim you’re looking for a two-state solution.

The wording is a subtle, but notable, shift in the normal platitudes about how bad the settlements are. Instead of saying that they are an obstacle to peace blah blah blah, she suggested that settlement building/expansion is not something someone who is honestly serious about a two-state solution would pursue. And she states that Israel "claims" to be looking for a two-state solution.

Just as only Nixon could go to China, maybe only Hillary can openly question whether Israel is a good-faith partner for peace.

[hrmjustin]

1. I don't have a link but didn't Bibi say he is no longer for a two state solution a week or so ago?

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2. His statements logically implied that.

He said Israel was not willing to even consider surrendering "security control" of any part of the entire West Bank. In other words, occupation now, occupation tomorrow, occupation forever.

[hrmjustin]

3. Thanks.

[stranger81]

19. IIRC, it was a speech he gave last week in Hebrew, and he called a two state solution "impossible."

Presumably because of the "facts" he's worked so hard to "build on the ground" (e.g., settlements).

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

5. Hamas went there on Charlie Rose, if you can trust the translator

Said they were willing to coexist with Jews, but that they could not recognize Israel as a Jewish state. (my bold)

[hrmjustin]

9. I saw. I guess they are not anywhere close to peace.

[Scootaloo]

18. Well, his party platform vehemently denies an "Arab State west of the Jordan"

And that's moderate compared to the partners in his coalition.

[SwampG8r]

4. well she is an expert on lies

as the giver and the recipient

[bigtree]

6. that is interesting

. . . she has stood by Israel, both as senator and as SoS, on many controversial issues and events. I think this is an interesting break and a meaningful and revealing one.

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7. Behind closed doors she hasn't been shy

about ripping Bibi a new one--she knows what he is.

[blm]

14. Publicly she's comfortable undermining Kerry's efforts to maintain her image as a loyal Bibi-phile.

Privately she may well be perfect, but, her PUBLIC voice is all we can really judge.

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15. Which makes this wording significant.

It's a classic dig from her.

[mylye2222]

16. Everytimes Kerry struggles, HRC gets gain!

blm...we both know a huge part of her past few years had been occupied with walking on Kerry's feet everytime she needed a positive image.

[blm]

17. ...every time she wants to highlight her neocon creds for the corpmedia

who enjoy sticking knives in Kerry's back for their BFEE masters. Knives opportunistically sharpened by Hillary and Clintonites are their favorite weapons.

[BillZBubb]

8. Frankly, I'm not impressed. The time for subtlety is long past.

By the time anyone in the US gets around to actually denouncing Israel's policies (as they so richly deserve to be denounced), Israel's ethnic cleansing of the West Bank will have been completed.

[bigtree]

13. this is true

. . . that subtlety, at least from official Washington (which she isn't right now, of course) is complicity in Israel's illegal and barbaric assaults on the Palestinian people.

[mylye2222]

10. I had wished her biggest complain

would be the mass death toll of women and children , perpetrated by Tsahal, in an unclear unbalanced and unacceptable war. Or the blockade of an entire region, witch was what spreaded Hamas power......but Im too much of a dreamer.

[sabrina 1]

11. There has been a very, very slight shift in US coverage of this issue. You have to look hard, but

usually complicit Corporate Media, while still remembering to push the talking points in favor of Israel, HAS covered to some extent, the killing of Palestinians.

It's subtle, but for whatever reason, maybe Netanyahu's disrespect for our Govt, maybe world opinion which is horrified by these 'wars' on the Palestinian people, the Israeli press attacking this president, who knows, but slight though it is, people have noted it.

They need to speak out forcefully and more, take action such as ending the funding of Israel's attacks on Gaza. But that would take courage, and we don't have too many courageous leaders other than Carter who has always been outspoken about the issue.

[closeupready]

12. Well, because some Israelis are very definitely lying about wanting peace.

Peace would mean having to give up dreams of expelling the Palestinians so as to illegally annex the West Bank and Gaza. Continued warfare between unequal parties favors the stronger party.

K&R

[JI7]

20. it will be interesting, Netanyahu was in that video promoting Hillary for Pres

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22. Which she probably didn't produce.

But, just the same of course they're going to let people who are opposed to a Palestinian state think that Hillary is one of them by showing Bibi.

[Motown_Johnny]

21. At least they didn't claim to have to run from sniper fire n/t

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23. That's because they don't live in Gaza. nt