Anti-Semitism On Rise In U.S. As Well As Europe

[LTX]

Thousands of angry Muslims, most of them Mideast immigrants, have taken to the streets to shout anti-Jewish epithets. Paris? Brussels? No, it's happening in U.S. cities. And it appears to be spreading at an alarming rate. . . .

• In Miami last week, pro-Hamas rioters defaced a synagogue with swastikas and anti-Semitic messages and threatened to "exterminate" Israeli supporters. The cars of Jewish families were egged and defaced with the words "Jew" and "Hamas" smeared on windshields with cream cheese. Reporters were attacked by Muslims shouting, "We are all Hamas!" and "We are all jihad!" One Muslim clad in a keffiyeh, the war garb of the jihad, threatened: "I'm going to kill you mother****er, you and all the Israelis!"

• At a Philadelphia protest, a pro-Palestinian demonstrator justified Hamas firing more than 2,600 rockets and mortars at Israeli homes, causing massive casualties among children and other civilians. She waved a sign that read "Blaming Hamas for firing rockets is like blaming a woman who punches her RAPIST."

• In Washington, D.C., protesters at an anti-Israel rally held signs reading "Gaza is the real Holocaust." And nearby, at the Council on American-Islamic Relations headquarters, activists launched a letter-writing campaign in support of Hamas-controlled Gaza.

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http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/072914-710849-antisemitism-on-rise-in-america-as-well-as-europe.htm

[m-lekktor]

1. hamas' rockets and morters fired at Iraeli homes caused massive casualties among children

and civilians? I must have missed all those reports.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

5. So Hamas is free to fire rockets and mortars?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

10. No, they're not. No matter how many times that strawman is tossed around.

Criminals need to be arrested and tried.

Noncriminals do not need to be carelessly killed, or have their houses, churches, schools, and hospitals destroyed.

Israel's actions are only working to create further generations of terrorists from the children they terrorize, whose parents they kill, whose lives they tear apart.

The solution to evil is not greater evil.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

18. "Criminals need to be arrested and tried."

Mortars and rockets launched in coordinated effort by the local power would be classified an act of war in any other instance. I guess it's different if the target is Jewish.

Apparently you're naïve enough to think a process server can knock on a few doors and those firing the rockets and mortars will appear in court.

Noncriminals do not need to be carelessly killed, or have their houses, churches, schools, and hospitals destroyed.

It's not careless, it's deliberate; because that is where Hamas deliberately hides its war-making materiel -- which is a violation of law on Hamas' part. When a hospital or other structure is used to launch attacks it loses its protected status.


Also, you should have wrote --

Hamas' actions are only working to create further generations of Israeli soldiers from the children they terrorize, whose parents they kill, whose lives they tear apart.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

24. Really? Do you believe your last sentence?

How many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets? I've been told elsewhere 28 Israelis have been killed by rockets in the last 13 years. The IDF has torn apart more lives in a single airstrike than Hamas has in over a decade.

Yes, Hamas is killing a few Israelis a year on average when the IDF is not actively fighting in Gaza. And they need to face justice for those crimes.

Compare the 'terror' of Israelis waiting in bomb shelters for an all clear siren to the 'terror' of Gazans pulling bodies from the rubble of what used to be their homes.

What's going on is like a grown man beating an angry chihuahua to death with a gold club because it bit his ankle.

It disgusts me that people defend the notion that 500 Palestinians need to die every time an Israeli is killed by some criminal.

Or that the proper response to some criminal hiding rockets in a hospital is to destroy the hospital, rather than simply moving in a force to go in and take the rockets and leave.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

28. Oh, OK. So long as it's just "a few Israelis a year."

Killing Jews? Nothing more than a Chihuahua nipping at an ankle.

It disgusts me that people defend the notion that 500 Palestinians need to die every time an Israeli is killed by some criminal.

Repeating the lie that an act of war is merely a civil criminal offense doesn't make it anymore truthful. It's an act of war.

Hamas revels in the body count. Try not to be their patsy. You only encourage them.

Or that the proper response to some criminal hiding rockets in a hospital is to destroy the hospital, rather than simply moving in a force to go in and take the rockets and leave.

Again with the "it's merely a civil criminal offense" lie.

Firing tens of thousands of rockets and mortars smuggled in an extensive network of tunnels is an act of war.

Hiding those weapons under hospitals and other protected structures is a war crime. Those structures lose their protected status and become legitimate targets. Israel, like every other nation, has a right to interdict an enemy's war-making ability including the destroying the infrastructure (read: tunnels) that enables the attacks. If civilian infrastructure is lost in the process the blame lies with the combatants. The remedy is simple: 1) don't start wars and 2) don't place war-making materiel in protected structures.

But Hamas operates from just that point of view because they know they can rely on the world's historic anti-Semitic impulses to enable them.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

32. Try not to be their patsy? By your logic, Netanyahu is their biggest patsy.

Everything he does 'plays into their hands' according to your 'body count is good for Hamas' logic.

Yes, those are war crimes. And crimes are committed by 'criminals'. That's why they're called criminals.

You're moving the goalposts again, tacking on 'civil'. Call it a military crime, I don't care. Try Hamas members who fire rockets in military courts. Execute them for their crimes. I'm fine with that. But don't murder civilians and pretend it's justified because of what the criminals did.

[magical thyme]

19. let the UN give your home to somebody else, lock you into an overcrowded, open air prison and see

how you respond before you condemn Hamas for their behavior.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

22. Jewish communities existed in Israel centuries prior to the UN partition.

And all this belly-aching about the creation of Israel by people who would 1) never let a Jew live beside them in peace and 2) wouldn't want to live under the thumb of Hamas 3) will sing a completely different tune as soon as the subject of Native Americans is raised.

Israel exists because the anti-Semites of the world proved that the Jewish people can rely on no one but themselves. The Jews have been chased around the globe for 2,000 years. Where else are they to go except their ancestral homeland?

[magical thyme]

23. and the Zionists since the late 1800s have made it clear their intent to drive the Palestian people

out of their homeland, where they have lived for thousands of years.


http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html
Despite the steady arrival in Palestine of Jewish colonists after 1882, it is important to realize that not until the few weeks immediately preceding the establishment of Israel in the spring of 1948 was there ever anything other than a huge Arab majority. For example, the Jewish population in 1931 was 174,606 against a total of 1,033,314.” Edward Said, “The Question of Palestine.”

“The aim of the Fund was ‘to redeem the land of Palestine as the inalienable possession of the Jewish people.’...As early as 1891, Zionist leader Ahad Ha’am wrote that the Arabs “understood very well what we were doing and what we were aiming at’... ‘We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in transit countries, while denying it employment in our own country... Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discreetly and circumspectly’...At various locations in northern Palestine Arab farmers refused to move from land the Fund purchased from absentee owners, and the Turkish authorities, at the Fund’s request, evicted them...

“Before the 20th century, most Jews in Palestine belonged to old Yishuv, or community, that had settled more for religious than for political reasons. There was little if any conflict between them and the Arab population. Tensions began after the first Zionist settlers arrived in the 1880’s...when purchased land from absentee Arab owners, leading to dispossession of the peasants who had cultivated it.” Don Peretz, “The Arab-Israeli Dispute.”

“Serfs they (the Jews) were in the lands of the Diaspora, and suddenly they find themselves in freedom ; and this change has awakened in them an inclination to despotism. They treat the Arabs with hostility and cruelty, deprive them of their rights, offend them without cause, and even boast of these deeds; and nobody among us opposes this despicable and dangerous inclination.” Zionist writer Ahad Ha’am, quoted in Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

much, much more at the link.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

25. And another stupid strawman is pulled out.

What's the different tune we're supposed to sing?

I support reparations for Native Americans (and black Americans as well), and I hope that various Native American tribes win their ongoing lawsuits to win back lands stolen from them.

As for

The Jews have been chased around the globe for 2,000 years. Where else are they to go except their ancestral homeland?

How about staying where they were living prior to the middle of last century? How about America? Plenty of Jews live here, and we've got a lot more fertile land and a better climate available for more to move here than you'll find in the land of Israel.

I would be happy to have Jewish neighbours. Let them move into my neighbourhood. I'll give them a gift basket with homemade jam when they move in, and some banana bread. And they won't have to worry about having rockets lobbed at them.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

33. "How about staying where they were living prior to the middle of last century?"

You mean those nations that were either trying to kill them or actively ignoring the fact. Even in the latter part of the last century Jews have been fleeing Africa, Russia and Eastern Europe because of violent anti-Semitism. The world has proven itself a very inhospitable place for them.

How about America? Plenty of Jews live here, and we've got a lot more fertile land and a better climate available for more to move here than you'll find in the land of Israel.

I would be happy to have Jewish neighbours. Let them move into my neighbourhood. I'll give them a gift basket with homemade jam when they move in, and some banana bread. And they won't have to worry about having rockets lobbed at them.

Yeah. Right up until --

I support reparations for Native Americans ... and I hope that various Native American tribes win their ongoing lawsuits to win back lands stolen from them.

So ... the UN recognizing the ancestral homeland of the Israelis is a bad idea but courts recognizing the ancestral homelands of Native Americans would be good but you would be happy to recognize Jewish neighbors here in the US but that could be interrupted if a court rules they -- and maybe you -- had to move because the land you currently occupy is being returned to Native Americans.

And this is why I think people spouting complaints against Israel are unprincipled emoters who just lurch from one half-formed thought to the next with no underlying denominator except, "JEWZ BAD!"

Enjoy the thread. I'm going to go enjoy a nice relaxing Olive Garden thread.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

34. Right up until...

I said the answer to Native American claims was the court system, not murdering the rest of us non-Natives, you mean?

[TheKentuckian]

35. Mhmm...it always boils down to Israel shouldn't exist. Jews are fine as long as they are in diaspora

I reckon.

Stay were you were, the ovens have been shut off for crying out loud, maybe the try the US sure they all but wiped out the natives, made slavery in Egypt look like summer camp, and have Jim Crow but many of you guys look pretty white. The Klan, okay maybe they hate Jews more than the blacks but again you can probably pass and avoid the south.
The Japanese folks? It was war and come on most of you people are going to blend right in.

Oh, not your first go around, just the worst you say? NO WORRIES! It will be different this time becomes uhm...err...ahem...uhmmm...it just will be, where is the trust, bro?

You can't live in the past, you folks go on and on about stuff over thousands of years and won't chalk the kerfuffle with the Germans (very excitable people the Germans) as the one off you surely know it must be.

Yes, yes all those things happened, sure but that wasn't about you people. Look, I get Europe is sketchy for a lot of you people right now but I was serious about the States before, maybe they would even set aside some land like them did for the Indians and you know they are good as their word and if not just blend in but forget about this country thing, it is a big hassle.

It is just fantastical to my mind that based on essentially all of written history that there is even any real alternative to Zionism. Unfortunately, based on our consistent track record humanity at large is not to be trusted and a fail safe is required and will be required beyond any future foreseeable at this point in time. Certainly, probation will not be covered by a few decades or even hundreds of years of relatively good behavior.

Then we have to pretend that Palestine was some rich and fertile land, brimming with people who's forebears had been there ffor all time when the reality was much, much closer to a mercy give of some worthless and largely unoccupied desert that was of little interest to who controlled it at the time. Further, the pretense says we must act like the Jews came in and kettled these numerous people off their land en mass and into a ghetto to torment them and wipe them out over a couple, three generations.

I also note that no one tells the massive influx of Arabs now Palestinians in protest of Israel sent in after Arab nations combined military efforts failed to go back to where they were (like Jordan and Egypt) and would be twelve different kinds of feeling ill used if anyone dared to and understandably so, it is assholish to order folks around like pawns on a board based on self serving and arbitrary criteria so if they want a land of their own, I would support that if they would live there in peace with Israel and always have though I do not believe that is the actual intent of many, in fact for no few the opposite.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

37. I'm fine with Israel existing. But I'm not the one you have to convince.

Cause I don't live there.

What seems to be the problem for the other people who live there is Israel insisting that they have to be a religious state, with Judaism as a state religion. If Israel wants to simply give all the Palestinians citizenship, wonderful, but they're likely to turn around and reject theocracy, just like pretty much every other country in the world.

[TheKentuckian]

44. The entire point of a modern day Israel is to be a Jewish state, that is the whole idea.

The single state "solution" is nothing but a game to destroy Israel via assimilation rather than by military strength, just flood the land with with Arabs and before long you have the Islamic Republic of Israel (reject theocracy just like they have in Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Iraq or perhaps somewhat as in Jordan and Turkey) but if not then at best you still have no Jewish homeland, hell chips fall the wrong way and Judaism might even be punishable.

Israel is not a theocracy, in fact it is probably easily the most secular nation in the region but it is a Jewish state because it must be. A strip of dirt called Israel misses the entire point. If that rankles then too bad, humanity should have behaved better the last few thousand years toward these people. Further, as penance we all should pay for it not just the US but those sworn enemies as well and they should give up some portion of their lands for the Palestinians as the cost of their multiple attacks on refugee floods and as a humanitarian effort since their very souls are so vexed by the plight of their brother (not that they care about their sisters save as a rallying point).

[m-lekktor]

29. umm. no. i said i hadn't heard of massive civilian casualties from those rockets

i have heard of the 3 israeli teens and IDF members getting killed, not massive civilian causualties from hamas rockets. not sure what you bizarre response has to do with my post.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

6. I was told by another DUer that Hamas rockets had killed 28 people in the last 13 years.

And the first decade of that was without 'Iron Dome'.

82 people a day are killed by guns in the US.

I keep hearing Israeli spokesmen on MSNBC saying 'What would the people of the US do?'

Well, in the face of a far worse slaughter by murderous criminals in our own country, the answer is apparently 'next to nothing', with half the country actually trying to make it even easier for more such deaths to occur.

So no, if criminals in Canada were lobbing rockets across the border, I'm pretty sure the US response would not be to force every Canadian into Toronto, and then level the city with missile fire.

[m-lekktor]

30. yeah i haven't heard of any massive civilian casualities from these rockets.

I guess questioning this is akin to implying it is ok for them to fire the rockets for some.

[newfie11]

2. This is not right either

Protest the Israeli government not the religion or nationality.

[Peacetrain]

27. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[hifiguy]

40. EXACTLY!

[Spider Jerusalem]

3. Example number 2 is not anti-Semitic. (n/t)

[MohRokTah]

13. Yup, and the second part of number 3 isn't either.

Slipping in the letter writing campaign as anti-semitic went over the top.

When you water down your message about anti-semitism with items that are most certainly not anti-semitic, you run the risk of being ignored by those who would otherwise be sympathetic.

[m-lekktor]

31. I didn't think so either. nt

[Bonobo]

4. Before someone derps out this winner, let me:

"But Palestinians are semites too, so I guess Israelis are anti-semites too. Deh-deh-deh-derp!"

[Katashi_itto]

7. Israel to pay students to defend it online

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

8. Time for Jewish people around the world to stand up against Israel, then.

And distance themselves from the violence the Likud is propagating.

Let the world know that Jewish does not mean 'Israeli', and that the Jewish people around the world should not be smeared with the horrific actions of an extremist RW government, and a population that has been force-fed fearmongering propaganda.

Amazingly, Israeli spokesmen keep bringing up 'Hamas dancing after 9/11'...

And Netanyahu is pulling a George W Bush, feeding the fear and the hate of his people in order to further an unjust war against the Gazans, instead of simply going after the criminals launching rockets, just like W launched wars on Afghanistan and Iraq instead of simply going after Al Quaeda.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

20. Time for the anti-semites around the world to stand up against Hamas then.

And distance themselves from the violence Hamas is propagating.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. They have been.

Or do you think calling for criminals to be tried and tossed in jail is 'standing up for them'?

[magical thyme]

21. and it is past time for our government to stop feeding the Likud monsters with our tax dollars

Let Israel know with something more than a strongly worded statement that we do not and will not support their oppression, genocide and land theft.

[malaise]

9. Anti-Semitism or anti-Israeli policies towards the

Palestinians.
Why would any group of people who have gained the world's sympathy expect to keep it when they do unto others what they do not want for themselves.

Israel had earned this ill will and it is not anti-Semitic. You cannot inflict collective punishment and slaughter citizens, steal land and then expect support from people who believe in human rights.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

11. Actually, a lot of it is.

Not everyone is paying attention enough to be nuanced, and blame only those who deserve the blame.

Netanyahu and the Likud's actions are stirring hatred around the world for the entire Jewish people.

It's short-sighted and does far more damage to the Jewish people of the world than Hamas rockets will ever do to the people of Israel.

[LTX]

12. You are parroting this guy:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-28552489

Jews worldwide are just fair game, I guess. Fuck 'em.

[HangOnKids]

15. Keep fishing LTX

That is what you are doing.

[malaise]

16. Palestinians and their oil appear to be the real fair game

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Enough with this victim mentality.

[sufrommich]

17. The Everyday Antisemitism Project:

http://everydayantisemitism.tumblr.com/


A lot of anti semites hide behind the Palestinians.This is why you see thousands killed in other conflicts (Syria,Ukraine,any part of Africa) and it barely rates a mention.

[KamaAina]

36. Source seems rather conservative

"powered by Investor's Business Daily"?

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

38. Yeah, but it's reporting on actual facts here.

It's possible they might use a RW framing or some slanted adjectives, but the facts on the ground are true. Netanyahu and Likud's rampage through Gaza is indeed stirring up hatred of Jewish people as a whole, as unfair as that is to the many Jews worldwide who do not support the slaughter.

[Hugabear]

39. Any criticism of Israel and its policies is considered anti-Semitism

There is real anti-Semitism, and there is imagined anti-Semitism. Criticizing Israel for its treatment of Palestinians is NOT anti-Semitism.

[Comrade Grumpy]

41. Weak sauce. Anything to deflect from Israel's war crimes.

[Trillo]

42. I'm not surprised.

I wonder if any of this is via agent-provocateur? Others upthread have noticed the writer has labeled non-anti-Semitic phrases with the anti-Semite label. Whether any of this is OP is true or not, any charges Israel went too far will always be countered with charges of anti-Semitism. It is their patterned strategy.

[Zorra]

43. Another great reason to vote Democratic early and often. nt