To Those On The Left Who Think Ruth Bader Ginsburg Should Retire... Go Fuck Yourselves.

[WillyT]

Why don't you just raise the white flag of surrender?

Ageist, sexist, weak-kneed BULLSHIT.

And GOTV, my ass!



She's still got it...

Ruth Bader Ginsburg: 5 Male Justices Have A 'Blind Spot' On Women's Issues
Laura Bassett - HuffPo
Posted: 07/31/2014 8:00 am EDT Updated: 33 minutes ago

Link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/ginsburg-hobby-lobby_n_5636254.html

[gwheezie]

1. Yes, yes,yes

She knows what she's doing. Obama is not going to get anyone nearly as liberal as she is on the court. I hope she lives to be 100 and stays on the court as a voice of reason until she is ready to retire.

[blkmusclmachine]

28. I'm not convinced BHO <<WANTS>> anybody as liberal as RBG on the Court. Might interfere with DEMS'

decades-old "bi-partisanship" love affair with the insane GOP...

[LeftyMom]

35. Exactly.

I suspect that's why she's sticking around.

[lsewpershad]

87. Besides,

Those who feel so strongly, should work their tails off to elect progressive democrats to congress/senate and the white house.

[Blue_In_AK]

82. That's what I think, too.

I don't think Obama would appoint anyone near as liberal as RBG. I'm not ready to see her leave.

[burrowowl]

49. I agree BHO will

nominate a compromise Justice to appeal to the Repukes!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

2. This +1,000,000 n/t

[demwing]

3. I'd like to see one of the 4 write that dissenting opinion

Corporations are people?

GO FUCK YOURSELF!

[malokvale77]

4. Sharpest mind on the Court

I hope she outlives them all.

[Politicalboi]

5. We still need to put a time limit on terms

20 years is long enough. IMO.

[MADem]

6. This is news to me--who "on the left" wants her to retire? I thought only the righties

felt that way...?

[elleng]

8. Often comes up here on DU.

[MADem]

14. It has entirely escaped my notice. I can't imagine it.

It's sexist and ageist. Who here would take such an attitude?

If she has illnesses that might impact her ability to do her work, she will surely know when she needs to make a decision and be able to gauge her ability to perform her tasks. Often, work makes illnesses EASIER to bear.

I find it very strange that anyone would be pushing for her resignation here, of all places.

[elleng]

15. Pisses me off every time.

More was on her interviews this evening on ?ChrisHayes? show. Or PBS NewsHour. SHE'll know it when she sees it!

[jeff47]

30. The theory is

that Obama would appoint someone just as liberal who was younger, and thus would be on the court for many decades.

The people advancing this theory utterly forget:
1) The GOP would filibuster such a candidate
2) There's little evidence Obama would nomiate a candidate as liberal as these posters want.

[MADem]

52. I agree with your take--and I say Leave Ruth Alone!!!!! nt

[Lurks Often]

62. The view is that if she retires now

then President Obama will be able to replace her while he is still in office and still has control of the Senate.

Confirmation is a simple majority in the Senate. If the Republicans control the Senate from 2015-2017 (based on when Senators take their oath) do you think a very liberal nominee will stand a chance?

It isn't a dislike of her that is pushing the call for retirement, but the fear of who might replace her.

[jeff47]

65. It's not a simple majority.

"Filibuster reform" did not change the rules for SCOTUS justices. Only appellate courts and below. The GOP can still filibuster a SCOTUS nominee.

[Lurks Often]

66. I was referring to the fact

that confirmation is a simple majority vote.

Since Reid changed the rules in the Senate, what makes you think that the Republicans won't change the rules to eliminate the filibuster rule if they take back the Senate in November?

[jeff47]

67. Obama's veto stamp.

Anything that Democrats would filibuster, Obama would veto.

Better to make Democratic senators look bad than Obama, since Obama doesn't have to run again.

[Lurks Often]

70. This thread is about SCOTUS

The President has no say or veto in the Senate vote to confirm a SCOTUS nominee. If the Republicans re-take the Senate, they can change the Senate rules as they see fit, with the exception of those issues that requires a 2/3 rd vote as specified in the Constitution.

[jeff47]

71. So you are arguing that the Republicans would make it easier for Obama

to get a SCOTUS nominee confirmed by eliminating the filibuster.

You must be drinking some very good stuff.

[Lurks Often]

73. And you apparently aren't reading things correctly

If the Republicans control the Senate after the November election and they vote in lockstep explain exactly how a SCTOUS nominee of the President's is going to get the majority of votes?

[jeff47]

81. You may need to reread your post 66.

Specifically:

Since Reid changed the rules in the Senate, what makes you think that the Republicans won't change the rules to eliminate the filibuster rule if they take back the Senate in November?

If the Republicans manage to retake the Senate, they will have a very slim majority.
If the Republicans keep the filibuster, Obama would have to get 12-ish Republicans to support his nominee.
If the Republicans kill the filibuster, as you proposed in post 66, Obama only has to get 2-ish Republicans to support his nominee.

12 isn't gonna happen. 2 might. So why would Republicans eliminate the filibuster, as you proposed in post 66?

[Lurks Often]

84. If they eliminate the filibuster

then the Democrats no longer have the option to block Republican bills. A Republican Congress could very well start sending bills to the President with amendments that he would normally veto attached to a bill he would really want to pass.

On edit: Either way, if the Republicans control the Senate, the chances of getting a liberal nominee appointed to the Supreme Court are slim.

[TBF]

63. I've answered them on at least one occasion

because it pissed me off so much. I honestly think it is coming from the right (and those DUers advocating it are either closet trolls or have inadvertantly bought into right wing nonsense). She's the brightest mind on that court and it bears mentioning that Kennedy and Scalia are only 3 years younger. I'd rather focus on GOTV to replace teabaggers in Congress and have a shot at getting better people confirmed when the inevitable happens and all 3 need to be replaced.

[MADem]

88. Well, I wouldn't be at all surprised if your thesis was accurate.

Too much of that "too clever by half" stuff happening around here lately!

Most women outlive their close-in-age spouses by a decade or more. I think we should worry about "Tone" and his poor diet before we worry about Ruth!

[Hekate]

46. It's been coming up at DU with some frequency. Some seem to think it's her "duty" to retire...

... because of her fragile health and age and gee whiz we have to replace her before Obama leaves office.

Beats me why they don't just aim their hopes at the old geezers on the Opus Dei side of the High Court.

[MADem]

51. Why not just let the next Democratic President do that--if she wants to leave, that is?

Women live longer than men--I agree with you, and I say encourage Scalia to have to whipped creme on his dessert, some extra butter on his bread, the large and extra fatty steak....

[Hekate]

53. More pasta!

Yeah, I'd loooove to see Fat Tony retire.

[MADem]

54. Putta sticka buttah in the "gravy"--goes good wid' dose fatty meatballs!!!

[msanthrope]

56. Don't forget to fry the meatball in da lard, like Mema always did! nt

[MADem]

57. Mmmmmmm! Gooooood eatin'!!!!!!! Give old 'Tone' an extra helpin' or ten! nt

[msanthrope]

61. Give him a quart jar wid' tha bracciole and the neck to take home. He's got no

woman cooking for him....all he's gotta do is make some fresh macaroni and pour it over!

[potone]

7. Yes, she certainly does.

I admire her not only for her intellect, but also for her calm temperament (I couldn't work with Scalia everyday without losing it) and the measured way that she expresses herself. But she does look frail and I wonder how long she will be able to perform such a demanding job. I hope she is stronger than she looks for it will be a major loss to the Court when she retires.

[Capt. Obvious]

9. The Notorious RBG

http://notoriousrbg.tumblr.com/

[BootinUp]

10. Agreed. I completely support her for as long as she wants to serve. nt

[napi21]

11. Wy are you thinking that way?

I love Ginsberg, but lets be honest here. She's quite old, has survived at least 2 bouts of cancer that I know of. I don't want her to go either, but I SURE want her to go while there's a Dem President. Nobody knows who's running in 2016, let alone who's going to win. GOD forbid it's a Pub!

[WillyT]

13. Here Ya Go:

Liberal Writers Say Ruth Bader Ginsburg Shouldn't Retire. That's Not Only Wrong—It's Dangerous.
By Isaac Chotiner - NewRepublic
4/20/14

Link: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117092/ruth-bader-ginsburg-should-retire-right-now

[Jefferson23]

12. NO, she stays as long as she wants to..I was worried due to her health she would retire but she

seems great from what we've seen. She leaves , we lose a voice of intelligence and conscience for this country.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

16. I like Ruth Bader Ginsburg. But since we are ALL mortal (last time I checked)...

What I DO NOT want is for right wingnuts to get an A-H in the presidency and suddenly lo and behold, Ms. Ginsburg gets sick and retires, and the right wing A-H puts in yet another right wing extremist A-H as justice.

I'm very surprised at you, WillyT.

[WillyT]

19. Hey Sarah... Elena Or Sonia... Or Even Stephen... Has The Exact Same Potential Problem!!!

I've had many friends die way before their time...

What I'm suggesting... is that for all this brave talk about getting out the vote, we cower in the corner and kick to the curb one of our brightest most courageous jurists and heroes...

BECAUSE WE AFRAID WE MIGHT LOSE ???

If that's who we are... we deserve to lose.

[madinmaryland]

22. Well, if you believe in science and actuaral tables, you might not

feel what you just said. No one disagrees with what you said about Justice Ginsburg (yes, she is a wonderful person, as I have met her in the SC), but what if...

Will she be able to survive the next two elections that get stolen??????????

[Sarah Ibarruri]

25. Exactly, which is why I'm SO SURPRISED that WillyT would say such a thing.

I think maybe he's having a hard day or something. I'm sure WillyT wants Obama to get a chance to put in Ginsburg's place someone even more liberal than Ginsburg. Perhaps he just made a mistake when he typed that.

[TBF]

64. If the next 2 elections get stolen we have bigger problems

than whether Ginsburg retires.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

23. Um... let me put it to you this way, I want someone FAR MORE LIBERAL than Ginsburg.

I'm surprised you don't!!!! Where's your liberal spirit? Exited stage left?

[jeff47]

31. They'd never get through the senate.

Ginsburg would be filibustered. Someone FAR MORE LIBERAL would never get out of the senate.

Also, Obama's track record does not indicate he would nominate someone FAR MORE LIBERAL. Or even as liberal.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

32. Who knows? But since she's very old, and I want someone very lib (as opposed to yet another pukable

RWer) I think she should resign asap.

The ONLY thing I don't want is to risk one more piece of trash fascist in the SC.

[jeff47]

34. Everyone knows. Have you been in a coma for the last 6 years? (nt)

[WillyT]

33. BINGO !!! - We'd Have To Put Up A Corporate Jurist That Meets Republican Dogma...

[Sarah Ibarruri]

89. Are you saying that the right wingers would put a stop to it? nt

[jeff47]

91. Yes. (nt)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

92. Then we must get rid of the right wingers. nt

[msanthrope]

17. She is the Most KICKASS Attorney, EVAH.....

Ginsburg performs wedding for man in 1970s case she argued before the Supreme Court

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ginsburg-performs-wedding-for-man-in-1970s-case-she-argued-before-the-supreme-court/2014/05/25/a1add474-e114-11e3-9743-bb9b59cde7b9_story.html

worth the click...

[WillyT]

20. That's Right, thrope !!!

[msanthrope]

39. Gonna put my skates on....Satan has Hitler firing up the Zamboni....nt

[WillyT]

40. LOL !!!

[msanthrope]

42. All Skate!!!! nt

[babylonsister]

18. Ruth Bader Ginsburg: I'm Not Going Anywhere

Ruth Bader Ginsburg: I'm Not Going Anywhere

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/ruth-bader-ginsburg-retirement_n_5637314.html

[brooklynite]

21. Thurgood Marshall had it too...

...until he got too sick to serve. remind me who he got replaced by?

[amandabeech]

37. Yup. I remember very, very well.

I can't tell you how much I wish he could've held on for another 16 months or so.

Just think what the country would be like if Al Gore had been inaugurated in 2001. It's hard to imagine a US that didn't go to war in Iraq and had, at the most, an Afghan campaign focused only on going after Bin Laden and Al Quaeda.

I just finished watching CNN's excellent "The Sixties" program on 1968. I remember 1968, and the show made me wonder what would have happened if RFK had become president instead of Nixon.

Thinking about Gore in the White House instead of shrub is just as painful.

[WillyT]

38. So... You're Giving Up On 2014/2016 ???

Interesting...

[brooklynite]

44. Not at all...just like I never gave up on 1988

Just pointing out that concerns about Justice Ginsburg's health shouldn't be disposed of with a "F--- You"

[LordGlenconner]

85. It's a fine sentiment to want her to say

But it's also very naive.

Also, preparing for worst case scenarios and contingencies is not "giving up", it's just good business. Only a fool would say otherwise.

[dembotoz]

24. amen preach it brother

[mike_c]

26. sideways....

Twice.

[BeyondGeography]

27. Don't worry, she's not going to retire

She's going to make you beg for Hillary.

[rickyhall]

29. Retire Raygun's men, Scalia and Kennedy

[morningfog]

36. People have been saying that for years. Hell, 5 years ago she had pancreatic cancer.

She has done incredible work in that time. I am so thankful she hasn't retired.

[MohRokTah]

41. Yo yo yo, ya'll who want the Notiorious R.B.G to step down can go fuck yoself!

She's leaner.

She's Meaner.

She don't take no shit from Scalia.

[msanthrope]

43. She's Down for Whatever. nt

[DeSwiss]

45. I hadn't seen this disparagement, WillyT.......

...because I assure you if I had, I would've remembered putting such a TROLL person on Ignore.

- RBG is tops with me.......

K&R!

[center][/center]

[Hassin Bin Sober]

47. OMG. I love it

Fear The Frill.

[davidpdx]

48. While I am not one of the ones saying Ginsburg should retire

I think telling people to go fuck themselves is in bad taste, especially when it comes to fellow DU'ers. Maybe think about that the next time you decide to run your mouth.

[pnwmom]

55. +1

[2banon]

50. huh? who the fuck "on the Left" wants Ginsburg to retire?

[Paladin]

68. Demands that Ginsgerg retire are a perennial subject at DU

And they are never persuasive, as far as I'm concerned. I hope she's on the bench another 20 years, at least---by then, maybe the radical right wing's influence will have waned, some.

[2banon]

72. Another absurd example of coloring that kind of thinking as coming from "The Left"

Somehow I've missed those calls for her retirement, please tell me it's really coming from Corporate Right Wingers.

[Paladin]

74. It's not coming from the Corporate Right Wingers, at least not here at DU.

It's coming from the usual The Good Is The Enemy Of The By-God Perfect crowd, around here. As if anybody even approaching Ginsberg's level of progressive thinking would be allowed to replace her if she retired, given the toxic political atmosphere we currently inhabit.

[2banon]

75. I am way to the left of what passes as The Left here. Any call for resignation is beyond absurd.

I've been accused of being an enemy of the perfect on more than one occasion here.

But as you said:

As if anybody even approaching Ginsberg's level of progressive thinking would be allowed to replace her if she retired, given the toxic political atmosphere we currently inhabit.

I would only add that Ginsberg's progressive thinking wouldn't even be selected as a candidate, let alone get confirmed given this neo-fascist political environment we're subjected to be ruled by.

[Paladin]

86. Agreed. (nt)

[BuelahWitch]

58. Our most liberal justice? HELL NO!

Like someone said upthread, let Kennedy or Scalia retire. Not RBG!

[Dawgs]

59. Eh. I'd rather see a young liberal get nominated now than risk getting another Scalia.

Sorry, but her retiring now and finding a suitable replacement is more important for the nation than her working a few more years.

I might be cold, and deserve a "fuck off", but I can live with it if it means we don't see another citizens united ruling.

[TBF]

60. I've had this fight with folks on DU -

who honestly advocate that Ginsburg should retire. As if the current Congress will willingly approve a replacement with her values.

Our priority right now should be GOTV so we have a more amenable Congress when the inevitable happens and we have to replace her and others (Scalia and Kennedy are only 3 yrs younger than Ginsburg - which no one seems to mention!).

[The Time is Now]

69. Ain't broke

Don't fix.

[onecaliberal]

76. Word!!

RBG is the best justice we've got. She's sharp as ever. We need more like her, we definitely don't need her to retire.

[WilliamPitt]

77. A post after my own heart.

[cilla4progress]

78. Really? Must you descend to this level of vulgarity and intolerance?

Whatever your views, it is just this sort of intolerance of divergent views - even among one faction of one party! - that has brought us to this point of complete dysfunction.

So done with it.

[Swede Atlanta]

79. Calm down......

I don't believe anyone on here is chanting for her to retire.

What some, including myself, are suggesting is she consider the timing of her retirement in a political context.

She obviously feels passionate about women and protecting women's rights as well as the rights of workers, LGBT persons (including marriage equality, etc. This is the bread and butter of the progressive movement.

It is her sole discretion when she plans to retire. She knows how she feels, her energy level, the workload of her job, the importance of her family and her own personal wellbeing.

But people here are suggesting that there potentially are dark clouds on the horizon. We could see the Republicans take control of the Senate in November. They would control the schedule of the Judiciary Committee. They would decide when and if a nominee was even brought up for a vote.

Obama might be forced to go with a much more moderate or even slightly right of center nominee for the nominee to be considered and voted on.

Fast forward to 2016 if, heaven forbid, a Republican is elected President. I doubt that would happen but we have to consider all the possibilities.

So if she truly believes in the progressive movement we think it is important for her to consider the timing of her retirement. I wish we could have her for another 20 years to offset the male numbskulls on the Court. But she is in her 80s, has a history of serious health issues and probably wants to have some time at the end of her life to spend with family and just rest.

My fear is, whether we have a Republican majority in the Senate from 2015 to 2017 or not, she decides or is forced, for medical or other reasons, to retire say close to the 2016 election cycle. The Republicans, hoping their man will be elected to the WH, will filibuster any nominee that isn't to the right of Ted Cruz. Remember the filibuster reform of last year only applies to executive nominees other than Supreme Court justices and legislation.

Then if we get a GOP President in 2017 we will have a 6-3 conservative majority on the Court. That will be death to progressive causes.

[DrewFlorida]

80. The only reason for her to retire, is to assure that her replacement will be made by a Democratic...

President. Aside from that, she is our liberal rock on the Supreme Court!

[gcomeau]

83. Sigh

NOBODY is suggesting she should retire because she doesn't belong on the bench or is in any way no longer capable of getting the job done or that she just in some way is an inferior judge.


What people ARE suggesting is that human beings (every single last one of them) have an expiration date after which they can't keep doing jobs like this and hers is COMING. This is beyond rational argument. And there is a very real chance that if she doesn;t take steps to choose to initiate her departure at a time she can control then it's going to come at a time when we have an even more strongly GOP House and Senate that will make replacing her with anyone even REMOTELY acceptable completely fucking impossible. Or... even worse, we could have a GOP president picking her replacement.


None of that is a smear on Ginsberg or what she does on the bench.

[ancianita]

90. Notorious R.B.G. is The Bizzomb! Long may she run!