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Melinda

(5,465 posts)
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:25 AM Aug 2014

Homeless man jailed after Church insists on pressing charges over stolen cookies worth $2.25

A homeless man stole cookies from a church in the 10700 block of Okeechobee Boulevard. A deputy found him sitting by the building’s entrance. He said he had been looking for assistance, pulled on a door and it opened. He helped himself to the cookies, but a cleaning person saw him and called 911. A church employee arrived at the scene and said the church would press charges. The man was arrested and taken to the county jail. The value of the cookies was $2.25.


http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/homeless-man-jailed-after-stealing-cookies-from-ch/nghbS/

I'm told this is the Churches website, but I haven't been able to confirm this for a fact, so I will send them a contact query only.

Just sharing another example in a long line of Xtian love - the kind that makes one's heart hurt.


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Homeless man jailed after Church insists on pressing charges over stolen cookies worth $2.25 (Original Post) Melinda Aug 2014 OP
For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #1
For I snitched cookies when I was hungry Treant Aug 2014 #9
:D :D :D C Moon Aug 2014 #11
DUzy! BrotherIvan Aug 2014 #12
Lol! demmiblue Aug 2014 #20
Oops! ReRe Aug 2014 #21
WWJD = Press Charges. #obviously nt TeamPooka Aug 2014 #53
That's What Jesus Would Do. So many "Christians" shaming His very name every time flvegan Aug 2014 #2
Nice way to put it. So many "Christians" shame the name "Jesus Christ." Many don't even know kelliekat44 Aug 2014 #3
The way some "Re-interpet the Bible" - any thing goes FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #56
On their website, under either Ministries or Missions, edgineered Aug 2014 #4
I thought that their motto was strange too onethatcares Aug 2014 #52
That ain't a motto. Those are directions. Iggo Aug 2014 #58
My father use to tell me .. SummerSnow Aug 2014 #5
Brilliant man. nt msanthrope Aug 2014 #66
contact info here PADemD Aug 2014 #6
Yes -- THAT one looks like the correct address. The link in the OP has a different address. n/t pnwmom Aug 2014 #62
Who would Jesus starve and arrest? nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #7
Fortunately, the hungry guy didn't still the collection plates. Business as usual. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2014 #8
Les Miserables Part 2: American Justice MrScorpio Aug 2014 #10
Remember that scene in les mis Takket Aug 2014 #37
That was the very first thing I thought of... MrScorpio Aug 2014 #39
FBCRPB responds: DeSwiss Aug 2014 #13
Strange, that. Treant Aug 2014 #16
The first impulse is usually the true one. DeSwiss Aug 2014 #18
The custodian now knows her freedom is worth less than one of their cookies. nt edgineered Aug 2014 #28
"Disruptive and destructive lifestyle"? Hmmm... jmowreader Aug 2014 #32
That was my thought Treant Aug 2014 #65
It could have been a LOT of things jmowreader Aug 2014 #67
I sent an answer to this response: Are_grits_groceries Aug 2014 #34
'Enter the young man into the system,' from which he will Live and Learn Aug 2014 #35
"enter the young man into the system" onethatcares Aug 2014 #36
+1 Exactly nt Live and Learn Aug 2014 #45
Bullshit. Iggo Aug 2014 #59
Horrible people. nt SunSeeker Aug 2014 #14
I sent them this email: Are_grits_groceries Aug 2014 #15
Good for you. Let us know if they respond, okay? freshwest Aug 2014 #17
Exactly! ReRe Aug 2014 #24
A righteous Holier-than-thou social club is the perfect description for most right wing churches. stillwaiting Aug 2014 #42
That's right... ReRe Aug 2014 #43
k&r Liberal_in_LA Aug 2014 #26
I wish I could recommend this post! Initech Aug 2014 #70
Sad... Xyzse Aug 2014 #19
Any real Christian zentrum Aug 2014 #22
Wonder about their position tooeyeten Aug 2014 #23
Found the mugshot.... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2014 #25
Let a man steal a few cookies, he have himself a little snack that day notadmblnd Aug 2014 #27
If there is a God and he/she decides to pull up 'our' file...we are in a world Purveyor Aug 2014 #29
I think it's this church tblue Aug 2014 #30
Here is the church info Paladin7 Aug 2014 #31
Thanks! Iggo Aug 2014 #64
The guy could have been Jesus emsimon33 Aug 2014 #33
Maybe he thought it was a miracle and God wanted him to have the cookies. eShirl Aug 2014 #38
religion LOL KG Aug 2014 #40
What are the charges, exactly? Orrex Aug 2014 #41
Burglary. rug Aug 2014 #48
Well, that's the category on the police blotter, sure Orrex Aug 2014 #49
The difference between a felony and a misdemeanor. rug Aug 2014 #54
Exactly. Orrex Aug 2014 #55
Maybe they need some cookies sunnystarr Aug 2014 #61
But religion does so much good in the world! randome Aug 2014 #44
did jesus say 'arrest the poor' ? spanone Aug 2014 #46
Christianity is a severely flawed religion. Trillo Aug 2014 #47
Jesus Christ! polichick Aug 2014 #50
Jesus wept. nt City Lights Aug 2014 #51
His mistake: He stole some cookies instead of $1 Billion. nt NCjack Aug 2014 #57
That's probably NOT the website for the Church involved. Different address. pnwmom Aug 2014 #60
Nearly 100 years ago, Bertrand Russell wrote, "Why I Am Not A Christian", closeupready Aug 2014 #63
He shoulda known better than to steal less than a million bucks! Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #68
Our cookies are free quaker bill Aug 2014 #69
When people darted in my church to steal from the kitchen catrose Aug 2014 #71

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
1. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat,
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:31 AM
Aug 2014

I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

http://biblehub.com/matthew/25-35.htm


flvegan

(64,407 posts)
2. That's What Jesus Would Do. So many "Christians" shaming His very name every time
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:32 AM
Aug 2014

they invoke it.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Paraphrased, maybe.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
3. Nice way to put it. So many "Christians" shame the name "Jesus Christ." Many don't even know
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:36 AM
Aug 2014

what He stood for.

edgineered

(2,101 posts)
4. On their website, under either Ministries or Missions,
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:38 AM
Aug 2014

noticeably absent are any efforts for helping others. Just themselves.

This is only an observation, not my thoughts about what they should or could do instead. Another observation is that the beautiful fountain is not a koi pond, the cookies were not meant for the fish.

onethatcares

(16,167 posts)
52. I thought that their motto was strange too
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:22 PM
Aug 2014

"Celebrate, Connect, Contribute"

I guess that means to their collection plate.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
5. My father use to tell me ..
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:42 AM
Aug 2014

If he was ever in court, he rather have 12 drunks and hookers as jurors than 12 church people deciding his fate

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
62. Yes -- THAT one looks like the correct address. The link in the OP has a different address. n/t
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:49 PM
Aug 2014

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
10. Les Miserables Part 2: American Justice
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:25 AM
Aug 2014

Throw in some arbitrary car chases and some obligatory explosions and we're all good.

Takket

(21,563 posts)
37. Remember that scene in les mis
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 06:40 AM
Aug 2014

Where valjean steals some silverware and the bishop has his sorry ass tossed in jail?

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
13. FBCRPB responds:
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:11 AM
Aug 2014
FBCRPB • 4 hours ago

A young man entered the closed church building several weeks
ago while the custodial company was cleaning. He went into the kitchen and took
some cookies. The building was empty with the exception of a contracted
cleaning lady. He startled her and she dialed 911. The PBSO (Palm Beach County Sherriff Office) officer contacted one of our non-pastoral staff who lives near the campus. The officer was familiar with the situation and explained to her
that the young man was just put out of his home by his family because of his
disruptive and destructive lifestyle. The young man appeared to be under the
influence. Since he was wandering around the neighborhood, the officer
suggested the best course may be to press charges for the incident which would
enter the young man into the system where he could find help. The church staff
member agreed. Although our church partners with PBSO to provide hundreds of meals for needy families, this time we agreed with the officer’s suggestion that the young man needed more help than just a free meal.

We have contacts with rehabilitation programs. We do
refer individuals to such programs and in retrospect we might have done so with
this individual. Following the lead of the officer in this case seemed
reasonable at the moment for our representative who was called to the church
facility with the responsibility to secure the building.

Thanks for giving us the opportunity to share another facet
of the story.


- Patheos broke the story first apparently, and when FBCRPB got wind of it they put out this ''explanation''(?) on the blog where it first appeared.

I'm almost inclined to believe them because only the sincerely deluded could ever believe that one can get ''help'' by going to jail.

K&R

Treant

(1,968 posts)
16. Strange, that.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:31 AM
Aug 2014

They have contacts with rehab programs but jail was the very first thing to pop into their little pointy religious heads.

How convenient. But I guess a homeless man can't cough up too much in the way of a "thank you" offering if and when he's clean, so...

/only partially snark

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
32. "Disruptive and destructive lifestyle"? Hmmm...
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:03 AM
Aug 2014

Is it just slightly possible he was kicked out of the house for being gay?

Treant

(1,968 posts)
65. That was my thought
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 05:25 PM
Aug 2014

But since it's not substantiated, I wasn't sure.

They might have meant his drug use and behavior from that.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
67. It could have been a LOT of things
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 05:54 PM
Aug 2014

Maybe he dropped out of school, or brought home one bad report card too many. He could have been caught having premarital sex. It could have been drugs or drink.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
34. I sent an answer to this response:
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:59 AM
Aug 2014

I read your response part of which is noted below.
You are a truly pathetic excuse for a Christian anything.

Perhaps one of your pastors or representatives could be bothered to find out who this young man is. He has a name and he obviously needs help.

You tout your connections with rehabilitation programs so why don't you put down the collection plates and see if he could find help in one. He is not going to find it in jail where you sent him or on the streets where he will probably end up again.

Do I expect you to help everyone? No. However, you could help this one person and maybe he will find the strength to right himself. It's the least you could do AND the least Jesus would expect of you.

"We have contacts with rehabilitation programs. We do
refer individuals to such programs and in retrospect we might have done so with
this individual. Following the lead of the officer in this case seemed
reasonable at the moment for our representative who was called to the church
facility with the responsibility to secure the building.

Thanks for giving us the opportunity to share another facet."

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
35. 'Enter the young man into the system,' from which he will
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:59 AM
Aug 2014

receive no help and never be able to escape. Our justice system has become "The Hotel California."

onethatcares

(16,167 posts)
36. "enter the young man into the system"
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 06:35 AM
Aug 2014

from which he will never escape.

On comes the charges for probation, court costs, restitution and whatever the "system" can come up with.

Probably another trip to the pokey for not being able to get a job due to having a criminal record for "theft of cookies"


gauddammmm pharisees.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
15. I sent them this email:
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:19 AM
Aug 2014

I would like to know what religion you practice. You are listed as a Christian church. However, after reading that a homeless man was jailed for stealing $2.25 worth of cookies from your building, I am certain there is a mistake.

I would suggest you publicly correct this error, but I think you already did by your actions.

Perhaps you need a refresher?
Matthew 25:36-46

35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' 37 Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.' 41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.' 44 Then they also will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?' 45Then He will answer them, saying, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.' 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
24. Exactly!
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:12 AM
Aug 2014

This is exactly what came to my mind. Shame, shame, shame on that "church." They could have done what they said they meant to do by pressing charges against him. That was no church, that was just a righteous Holier-than-thou social club.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
42. A righteous Holier-than-thou social club is the perfect description for most right wing churches.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 08:25 AM
Aug 2014

Perhaps SELF-righteous might be a little bit more accurate.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
27. Let a man steal a few cookies, he have himself a little snack that day
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:32 AM
Aug 2014

Throw him jail for it, and he'll eat for at least 90.

It's the Christian thing to do.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
29. If there is a God and he/she decides to pull up 'our' file...we are in a world
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:52 AM
Aug 2014

of hurt.

So far it seems he/she is to busy with other tasks...

Hope he spares the animals at least.

tblue

(16,350 posts)
30. I think it's this church
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:01 AM
Aug 2014
http://www.fbcrpb.com

The street address matches the police blotter. I can't believe people could be this cruel. We really should shame whoever runs this church.

Paladin7

(1 post)
31. Here is the church info
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 04:02 AM
Aug 2014

Based on the address on the police report, this is the church, the First Baptist Church of Royal Palm Beach, where the homeless man was arrested for taking $2.25 worth of cookies. This is their website:http://www.fbcrpb.com/

eShirl

(18,490 posts)
38. Maybe he thought it was a miracle and God wanted him to have the cookies.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 06:46 AM
Aug 2014
he had been looking for assistance, pulled on a door and it opened. He helped himself to the cookies

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
41. What are the charges, exactly?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 08:07 AM
Aug 2014

If a "cleaning person" was at the site, and if a "church employee" had to go to the scene, this suggests that it was non-standard hours. Are they charging him with theft of the cookies or with breaking and entering?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
48. Burglary.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:47 PM
Aug 2014
BURGLARY

A homeless man stole cookies from a church in the 10700 block of Okeechobee Boulevard. A deputy found him sitting by the building’s entrance. He said he had been looking for assistance, pulled on a door and it opened. He helped himself to the cookies, but a cleaning person saw him and called 911. A church employee arrived at the scene and said the church would press charges. The man was arrested and taken to the county jail. The value of the cookies was $2.25.


http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/crime-law/homeless-man-jailed-after-stealing-cookies-from-ch/nghbS/

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
49. Well, that's the category on the police blotter, sure
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 01:01 PM
Aug 2014

But I wondered what the specific charges might be.

Crime-wise, burglary is different from the theft of $2.25 worth of cookies.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
44. But religion does so much good in the world!
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 08:44 AM
Aug 2014

God, I hate religion.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]The night is always young. It's never too late.[/center][/font][hr]

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
47. Christianity is a severely flawed religion.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 12:32 PM
Aug 2014

One of its biggest problems is hierarchy. "Some are more equal than others."

If this guy had found a package of cookies lying at the side of the road, and picked it up to eat it, would anyone care? Same with an unlocked door, in an institution which professes feeding the less fortunate, why would anyone in that church care?

This church just displayed its intolerance, and hypocrisy. Nope, Christianity ain't a religion of love, far from it.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
60. That's probably NOT the website for the Church involved. Different address.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:47 PM
Aug 2014

There's a Baptist church in the 10700 block of that street. This Church is some distance away.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
63. Nearly 100 years ago, Bertrand Russell wrote, "Why I Am Not A Christian",
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:54 PM
Aug 2014

and if he were alive today, this story would serve as further evidence as to the wisdom of his thoughts about Christianity, and more generally, organized religion.

And it sickens me that my federal taxes are being used, partially, to finance the activities of this voodoo nonsense organization that would press charges for something like this.

catrose

(5,065 posts)
71. When people darted in my church to steal from the kitchen
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 10:41 PM
Aug 2014

we started leaving bags of groceries by the door with a sign inviting people to help themselves.

Must have been reading a different Bible than this other church.

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