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MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:21 PM Aug 2014

How about a cap on CEO and executive salaries that is

equal to the compensation for the President of The United States? Any income that exceeded that cap would be taxed at 97%. I can't imagine that any corporate executive has more responsibility or decision making duties than the U.S. President.

Let's elect a Congress that would have the chutzpah to enact such a law. It might take a couple of election cycles, but we can start this November.

GOTV 2014 and Beyond!

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How about a cap on CEO and executive salaries that is (Original Post) MineralMan Aug 2014 OP
Taxing the access of executive salaries would be a good idea. It would need to include those who Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #1
First you have to get more than half of the board of directors to block, spurn and generally DocwillCuNow Aug 2014 #2
Not going to happen. The right will scream 'confiscation' at the top of their lungs. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #3
Would that inheritance limit apply to businesses as well? 8_Point Aug 2014 #17
Split it into 'stock'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #18
How about a cap on corporate profits? They're just hoarding cash at this point. Initech Aug 2014 #4
Except our elected criminal class will find some way to exempt themselves and their patrons. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #5
The Obamas will probably earn over $200 million over the next 15 years Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #6
I would love to see that, plus a barrier between the CEO and BOD Warpy Aug 2014 #7
How about a dramatic increase in worker wages? leftstreet Aug 2014 #8
Think it would be better to limit ceo pay to a percentage of the lowest paid employee in the company abelenkpe Aug 2014 #9
I don't think there's any way to do that legally. MineralMan Aug 2014 #10
Cap everyone. former9thward Aug 2014 #11
You realize presidents will make more than most CEO's over a career. joeglow3 Aug 2014 #12
Nonsense. Look up the President's MineralMan Aug 2014 #13
What do you propose we do about people making 9 figures giving speeches? joeglow3 Aug 2014 #20
Easier to just put in the right tax system n2doc Aug 2014 #14
I've always favored a maximum wage Generic Brad Aug 2014 #15
Good idea but it needs some work jmowreader Aug 2014 #16
That, of course is needful too. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #19
That's sort of ironic, considering. flvegan Aug 2014 #21

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. Taxing the access of executive salaries would be a good idea. It would need to include those who
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:28 PM
Aug 2014

receive stock, etc. Would this congress do something sensible like this, no, it might hurt their 1% friends.

 

DocwillCuNow

(162 posts)
2. First you have to get more than half of the board of directors to block, spurn and generally
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:30 PM
Aug 2014

sabotage him/her at every turn. Then let him/her try and turn a profit.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
3. Not going to happen. The right will scream 'confiscation' at the top of their lungs.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:30 PM
Aug 2014

Hell, we could go back to pre-Reagan tax brackets and they scream confiscation, and you're suggesting even more.

I do think we need like a 90 top marginal tax rate, but I'd put it up to some arbitrarily high $250 million or so a year, so that it only hits hedge fund types, then drop in lower brackets at 100M (80%), 50M (70%), 20M (60%), 5M (50%). That lets the obscenely wealthy still keep getting wealthy, but substantially slows the rate. And tie that in with something like a cap on inheritances of 5M or so per person, so that any wealthy person who wants to get obscenely wealthy has to work at it themselves, not simply have it dropped on them.

 

8_Point

(32 posts)
17. Would that inheritance limit apply to businesses as well?
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 08:52 PM
Aug 2014

Would a father be forced to sell a business with more than 5 million in assets instead of passing it on to his son?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
18. Split it into 'stock'.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 08:56 PM
Aug 2014

If your business is worth 10 mill, you'd have to leave it to at least 2 people, 15 mill 3 people, etc. It's easy enough to have private companies owned in such a fashion, it's not like you have to 'go public'.

The point, though, is to prevent any total transfer of assets in any form of value greater than 5 mill to a single individual. If you're worth 500 mill, all you need is 100 inheritors.

You could still game the system, if you've got enough friends you trust to simply hand over the stock back to the person you want to inherit more after you're dead.

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
5. Except our elected criminal class will find some way to exempt themselves and their patrons.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:34 PM
Aug 2014

Any legislative initiative would be bastardized in committee to keep small and medium sized businesses from competing in the upper marketplace.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
6. The Obamas will probably earn over $200 million over the next 15 years
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 02:38 PM
Aug 2014

judging by what the Clintons have earned.

And many congressmen and senators expect to move on to huge incomes as lobbyists or working for hedge funds.

So don't hold your breath waiting for anyone who matters to get on board with this proposal.

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
7. I would love to see that, plus a barrier between the CEO and BOD
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 03:08 PM
Aug 2014

meaning the CEO could no longer choose his own BOD.

The cap on salaries should be a proportional one: the CEO prohibited from making more than 25 times what the lowest paid worker, including temp or contract worker, makes.

Going back to the system of the corporate jet, penthouse, beachfront villa, and other perks while the top executives were on the job seemed corrupt but was cheaper than paying them all to buy their own stuff.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
10. I don't think there's any way to do that legally.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 07:29 PM
Aug 2014

Congress can pass any laws they choose regarding taxation, though. That's a constitutional duty of Congress. I'm all about suggesting things that can be done, rather than things that can't under our system of government.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
12. You realize presidents will make more than most CEO's over a career.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 07:44 PM
Aug 2014

You are proposing a raise for most CEO's.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
14. Easier to just put in the right tax system
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 07:58 PM
Aug 2014

I would like to see this first:

1. Executive salaries,options, bennies and pension packages are not tax deductible from corporate profits. Every dollar that goes to this category is taxed as income, regardless of corporate or exec location.
2. Executive salaries should be set by an outside board with no conflicts of interest, and has to have representatives from workers and lower management and investors.
3. Ban the "golden parachute', Execs should not be bribed to allow their corps to be taken over. They may benefit from the increase in value of whatever stock holdings they have.
4. Most of all, I would like to see a 50% estate tax, with strict limits on foundations and 'charitable' giving.

Generic Brad

(14,274 posts)
15. I've always favored a maximum wage
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 08:46 PM
Aug 2014

CEO's and executives could bring home as much as they want so long as their salary and perks do not exceed 15 times what their lowest paid worker earns.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
16. Good idea but it needs some work
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 08:46 PM
Aug 2014

Let me tell you about the very rich. They are different from you and me, but not in the way F. Scott Fitzgerald thought.

The difference is the way they're paid. You and me get paid in a currency called Money. Money is taxable when you get it, and you pay taxes on all you get.

The very rich get paid in a currency called Stock Options. You don't pay taxes at all on those when you get them. How they work is pretty complex: you receive a certificate that lets you buy stock at a discounted price per share. You hold the stock for two years after you receive the option, and then you only pay taxes on your profit when you sell it...and you only pay the capital gains rate.

The tax implication is pretty significant: if I am a company owner, I pay my manager $10 million in stock options, and he makes $7 million in profit from selling the stock, he doesn't pay 39.6 percent on the $10 million, but 20 percent on $8 million.

If you really want to put the screws to these guys, get rid of the capital gains tax rate and tax investment income at the same rate as wages, and sunset all deductions at $4 million total compensation. Just taxing all ordinary income exceeding $400,000/year will result in every executive in America earning $399,999 in cash and two brazillion dollars in stock options, rather than the $1 million in cash and one brazillion in options they currently receive. I could live with Jamie Dimon paying 39.6 percent on all his ill-gotten gains.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
19. That, of course is needful too.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 08:59 PM
Aug 2014

Income should be income, period. There shouldn't be different tax rates for different types of income that value capital over labour.

flvegan

(64,407 posts)
21. That's sort of ironic, considering.
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 10:48 PM
Aug 2014

CEOs, decision making, our president. They sometimes make decisions that our president...oh, well you know.

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