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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTim Tebow tells Texas worshippers: 'It's OK to be outspoken about your faith'
Madeleine Cuff
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 8 April 2012 15.51 EDT
A crowd of about 15,000 gathered on Sunday in a Texas megachurch to hear NFL player Tim Tebow speak at its outdoor Easter Sunday service.
The New York Jets backup quarterback addressed the gathering at the Celebration church in Georgetown, 20 miles north of Austin, at its "Easter on the hill" service.
"It's OK to be outspoken about your faith,'' Tebow said.
Asked what he thought needed to change culturally in America, he said, to applause: "First and foremost [it] is what this country was based on: one nation under God. The more that we can get back to that [the better]."
Tebow's appearance had generated much excitement in the Christian press, but Joe Champion, pastor of the Texan church which organises Easter on the hill, insisted the event was not about celebrity. "There will be the sacredness of Easter," he told local reporters. "It's not a Tim Tebow show. There's really only one celebrity that we are going to honour and highlight."
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/apr/08/tim-tebow-texas-faith
peacebird
(14,195 posts)That is the question. And fwiw, our country was founded with separation of Church and state for a reason....
malaise
(268,976 posts)anti-alec
(420 posts)so his parents taught him that Jesus rides with the dinosaur and all that crap.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Please let go of that stupid meme.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)Hardly original intent. But then an ignoramus like Tebow wouldn't know that.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)I don't think Tebow has a homeschooled freaking clue. But maybe being traded to New Yorkmwill open his eyes....
madokie
(51,076 posts)Even if he did he wouldn't know it, just too freaking stupid
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)IN Fact most of the founding father's like my favorite -Ben Franklin where deists
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
Many of there ancestors came to america looking for religious freedom Something that seems to be left out now at days.
Who's god are we suppose to be saying one nation under god too?
the Catholic
The Presbyterian
Baptist
Lutheran
Evangelical
Methodist
because it seems these type of people don't respect the Jewish faith as they claim... They just lump them in with "Us" because they will find the light one day (As one Evangelical told me one day.)
Of here is some info other info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_allegience
rustydog
(9,186 posts)Makes as much sense and the GOP's "Freedom Fries" talking point
Initech
(100,068 posts)RagAss
(13,832 posts)Last edited Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:15 AM - Edit history (1)
Can you please point out ANYTHING this man has done that can even be remotely labeled EVIL? Ok he has helped sick children have some happiness in their life. (REALLY EVIL THERE) He is outspoken about his faith, NOT evil. I will give you a dollar for every EVIL act he has ever done. Please don't devalue the word Evil please.
RagAss
(13,832 posts)Pithy and CORRECT!
Becka2515
(58 posts)I asked you what he has done in his life to be considered EVIL? Remembering Evil is a pretty big word. So again I ask you what as an individual has he done to be labled with that word?
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)plays with a ball. big whup. this country is fraking celebrity-mad. THAT's probably evilish. Ex.: Kim Kardashians hoohoo makes a headline every time it leaves the house. they should marry for like two weeks.
brewens
(13,582 posts)Already I've seen him realize he was on camera and go into "oops, I'd better pray" mode. Clearly putting on a show. There was no reason at all why he couldn't have glanced up, seen the camera and carried on just watching the game or talking to his teammate. Now he has to always be the most religious guy around. We'll see how it works out for him.
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)It's scary how much bs can spew out of his mouth.
Raine
(30,540 posts)about having no faith.
pokerfan
(27,677 posts)They're so oppressed, you know.
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)His "pulpit" will only last a New York minute.
GoneOffShore
(17,339 posts)lynne
(3,118 posts)- to be outspoken about your faith. It's also okay to be outspoken about your lack of faith. If you don't like what he has to say, don't listen and don't support him or his team.
It's certainly okay to be outspoken but we all have the choice to turn him off, too.
provis99
(13,062 posts)emilyg
(22,742 posts)calling you names.
lynne
(3,118 posts)- that's all part of the "each can express their personal opinion" clause.
msongs
(67,405 posts)JHB
(37,160 posts)In fact, football players managed to say prayers and thank god for decades without becomeing celebrities for it. So you have to thank are the people who think that limits on their ability to push people around constitute a 'war' against them.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)openly worshiped the goddess Kali on the sidelines before and after the game? If the NFL were to go truly international one day, we might very well see that. He can worship however he wants but I don't think I should have to be part of a captive TV audience forced to watch what should be a private matter.
kenny blankenship
(15,689 posts)anti-alec
(420 posts)that has no business grabbing headlines.
He's nothing but a two bit halfwit below mediocre QB with no talent on loan from God.
Since when do backup QB grab headlines?
This guy is nothing who has too much charisma.
This town is finally at peace with Manning now.
LiberalFighter
(50,912 posts)St Joseph Smith or St Brigham Young?
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)bongbong
(5,436 posts)My God's endless bounty of delicious pasta covers any hammer!
FSM for the win!
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)I'd hammer in the eve-nin', all over this laaaaand....
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)I'll go with Dionysus, the Greek god of partying and drunkenness.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Ian David
(69,059 posts)aspieextrodinare
(82 posts)You rape women, that's okay. You murder dogs, we will give you an award for your courage when you come back to the NFL. You are outspoken about your faith, you are evil. I really don't get it.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)When he learns how to win a football game by more than three points, let me know.
aspieextrodinare
(82 posts)Though personally I wonder what Vick has ever done that makes him so popular. 2 playoff wins in all his years playing, yet he immediately is forgiven for murdering dogs :-/.
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)I have no problem with him earning a second chance.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)But speaking of Michael Vick: After he got out of prison he had to file bankruptcy. There are two chapters of the bankruptcy code that apply to individuals: Chapter 7 and Chapter 13. Chapter 7 is a liquidation plan: they confiscate and sell most of your assets, divide the money amongst your creditors, and after that you are free and clear. Chapter 13 requires you to set up a repayment plan that must be approved by the court. Vick was advised to take Chapter 7 because it lets you get on with your life quicker. Vick insisted on going Chapter 13.
He's at least trying to make amends...
aspieextrodinare
(82 posts)I still find it ironic that someone who tortures and kills dogs for profit is more respected than someone who speaks out about his faith. Seems to totally go against any sort of principals one could have.
jmowreader
(50,557 posts)We're not talking about a preacher here, at least not yet. We're talking about a quarterback in the NFL--a quarterback who isn't all that good at his job. This is the guy who took his team to the playoffs for the first time in seven years, and was thanked for his fine work by being waived the first chance they got and replaced by a guy who I don't think is going to make it through the season. (Whether it was because it was TIM TEBOW!!! and (imagine "The Denver Broncos" written in letters 1/16-inch high), or because he either wins by three points or loses by twenty, I am not sure. But he is no longer in Denver.)
'Course, if the Jets waive him after one season, he'll probably go into the ministry on a full-time basis.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)originalpckelly
(24,382 posts)Nevernose
(13,081 posts)For his post-football career. My guess is Fox Sports the day after retirement, plus a very high speaking fee.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)Oh, that's right. He already said it: Matthew 6:5-6. And he was pretty clear about it, too.
aquart
(69,014 posts)al_liberal
(420 posts)He's seen the writing on the wall, he knows his days as an NFL player are VERY limited so he's looking past all of that. He probably has a great future as a huckster televangelist or inspirational Xtian speaker so long as he can stay in the closet.
MuseRider
(34,108 posts)but it is pretty damned obnoxious.
I, for one, have heard enough and care not to hear anymore.
I was raised as a Christian and I remember being told to worship quietly, isn't that in the Bible?
I don't know what I would call myself now except sick and tired of having to listen to people outspoken about their faith.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)As long as I don't hear of him infriging on anyone else's First Amendment rights, I won't gripe about him using his.
MuseRider
(34,108 posts)I was not referring to him after the first sentence but you knew that.
There is no reason for anyone to have to spout off about their religion to strangers who are buying things, eating things, riding on the bus etc. It is obnoxious and intrusive to those of us who do not want to hear it.
I could tell you all about my sex life but that should be private as well and I doubt you want to hear it. But I could.....
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)The folks who run the cameras at a game can choose to pan over to the cheerleaders instead of Tim "Tebowing". If you give him enough attention, his belief system is eventually going to come out. I don't think he brings it up with folks on the bus.
I'm an atheist, and I don't care who he credits his football performance with. I guess I wish the folks in the world of sports coverage would feel the same way.
Johonny
(20,841 posts)If you hide behind your faith and spread a lot of hatred of women and gays and expect a lot of outspoke faith right back at yah. Well once you try to talk back suddenly you are censoring them and should just shut up. It always seems like they like they love the OK to be outspoken part so long as it is them speaking. Funny how that OK part works.
I keep forgetting where I am and spent the last few minutes looking for the like button!
rainbow4321
(9,974 posts)after Tebow got done speaking...they bailed on the preacher before he could give his service. They shoulda have him speak LAST and made the Tebow groupies sit thru the real service.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)So this country was founded in 1954??
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_.22under_God.22
In 1952, Holger Christian Langmack wrote a letter to President Truman suggesting the inclusion of "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Mr. Langmack was a Danish philosopher and educator who came to the United States in 1911. He was one of the originators of the Prayer Breakfast and a religious leader in Washington, D.C. President Truman met with him along with several others to discuss the inclusion of "under God" and also "love" just before "liberty and justice".(citation needed)...
Prior to February 1954, no endeavour to get the Pledge officially amended succeeded. The final successful push came from George MacPherson Docherty. Some American presidents honored Lincoln's birthday by attending services at the church Lincoln attended, New York Avenue Presbyterian Church by sitting in Lincoln's pew on the Sunday nearest February 12. On February 7, 1954, with President Eisenhower sitting in Lincoln's pew, the church's pastor, George MacPherson Docherty, delivered a sermon based on the Gettysburg Address titled "A New Birth of Freedom." He argued that the nation's might lay not in arms but its spirit and higher purpose. He noted that the Pledge's sentiments could be those of any nation, that "there was something missing in the pledge, and that which was missing was the characteristic and definitive factor in the American way of life." He cited Lincoln's words "under God" as defining words that set the United States apart from other nations.
President Eisenhower had been baptized a Presbyterian very recently, just a year before. He responded enthusiastically to Docherty in a conversation following the service. Eisenhower acted on his suggestion the next day and on February 8, 1954, Rep. Charles Oakman (R-Mich.), introduced a bill to that effect. Congress passed the necessary legislation and Eisenhower signed the bill into law on Flag Day, June 14, 1954. Eisenhower stated "In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource, in peace or in war."
The phrase "under God" was incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance June 14, 1954, by a Joint Resolution of Congress amending §7 of the Flag Code enacted in 1942.
I thought it was UC that didn't offer American history courses, not Florida.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)Science lets you fly to the moon, Religion makes you fly into buildings.
RZM
(8,556 posts)aquart
(69,014 posts)And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)JI7
(89,248 posts)Pool Hall Ace
(5,849 posts)Pity he's a fucking dumbass.
hatrack
(59,584 posts)Mendocino
(7,488 posts)Initech
(100,068 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)I pick this guy:
Yea, verily!
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)My female friends swoon over this guy. ALL of them. Young, older, tatooed - even blue hairs. When questioned as to why, looks are mentioned but mostly they remark on his confidence. Not many mention his faith but they may be keeping that to themselves, I don't know.
I don't get it.
alarimer
(16,245 posts)SydBAThule
(25 posts)then others have the right to call you on it or make fun of it.