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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 06:49 PM Apr 2012

Tim Tebow tells Texas worshippers: 'It's OK to be outspoken about your faith'

Madeleine Cuff
guardian.co.uk, Sunday 8 April 2012 15.51 EDT


A crowd of about 15,000 gathered on Sunday in a Texas megachurch to hear NFL player Tim Tebow speak at its outdoor Easter Sunday service.

The New York Jets backup quarterback addressed the gathering at the Celebration church in Georgetown, 20 miles north of Austin, at its "Easter on the hill" service.

"It's OK to be outspoken about your faith,'' Tebow said.

Asked what he thought needed to change culturally in America, he said, to applause: "First and foremost [it] is what this country was based on: one nation under God. The more that we can get back to that [the better]."

Tebow's appearance had generated much excitement in the Christian press, but Joe Champion, pastor of the Texan church which organises Easter on the hill, insisted the event was not about celebrity. "There will be the sacredness of Easter," he told local reporters. "It's not a Tim Tebow show. There's really only one celebrity that we are going to honour and highlight."

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/apr/08/tim-tebow-texas-faith

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Tim Tebow tells Texas worshippers: 'It's OK to be outspoken about your faith' (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2012 OP
"one nation under God" - which god is ok? Any diety? Or only the God who let his kid get offed? peacebird Apr 2012 #1
YOu think this moron has ever read a history book? n/t malaise Apr 2012 #2
He's homeschooled anti-alec Apr 2012 #17
"home schooled" =/= "xtian fundy" PavePusher Apr 2012 #24
and the phrase "one nation under god " was added in the 1950's to the POA n2doc Apr 2012 #3
I think it was added in 1957, part of the backlash against "godless commies"... And no, peacebird Apr 2012 #5
He'll never open his eyes madokie Apr 2012 #28
It was added in 1954. The founding father's didn't want One particular Deity over another Justice wanted Apr 2012 #52
It was added as our simplistic threa to the "Godless" communist threat rustydog Apr 2012 #23
Jesus? Buddha? Krishna? Confuscious? Allah? Muhammad? Zeus? Thor? Initech Apr 2012 #62
I see this guy and I see evil, plain and simple. RagAss Apr 2012 #4
Evil really? Becka2515 Apr 2012 #53
Right Wing Tool = Evil RagAss Apr 2012 #56
Indeed HangOnKids Apr 2012 #57
Sorry I dont lable everyone with the same brush Becka2515 Apr 2012 #72
please, alright already he's not evil. just a useful idiot elehhhhna Apr 2012 #67
He's set himself up to have to keep the Tebow show going constantly. brewens Apr 2012 #6
Tim Tebow is sooo handsome, but boy is he full of shit Sarah Ibarruri Apr 2012 #7
Of course it is, it's just not OK for an atheist to ever speak up Raine Apr 2012 #8
I guess it's finally safe for Christians to come out of the closet? pokerfan Apr 2012 #71
Will be interesting to see what he experiences in NY HockeyMom Apr 2012 #9
Timmy, STFU. GoneOffShore Apr 2012 #10
Well, he's right. It is okay - lynne Apr 2012 #11
yep. and it's also okay for me to call him a bigoted ass. provis99 Apr 2012 #43
No one is stopping you or emilyg Apr 2012 #45
Exactly. You can call him anything you want - lynne Apr 2012 #55
Thank you. emilyg Apr 2012 #44
he doesnt know any better - people have kissed his fanny most of his life due to football nt msongs Apr 2012 #12
'E Pluribus Unum', not 'one nation, (since the 50s) under God' JHB Apr 2012 #13
Would he have the patience to watch the TV while a televised Hindu worshipping NFL player aint_no_life_nowhere Apr 2012 #14
Until you meet me. kenny blankenship Apr 2012 #15
Don't give a crap about this below mediocre backup QB anti-alec Apr 2012 #16
Which god? LiberalFighter Apr 2012 #18
Thor! LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #38
A Hammer? bongbong Apr 2012 #41
If I had a ham-mer, I'd hammer in the mor-nin' LadyHawkAZ Apr 2012 #46
There are a lot of Greek and Norse gods that are pretty cool jmowreader Apr 2012 #65
Who cares what a racehorse thinks? Tom Ripley Apr 2012 #19
When Tim Tebow has his male prostitute crystal meth scandal, we are all gonna laugh and laugh. n/t Ian David Apr 2012 #20
I love the morality of NFL fans aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #21
It's okay for Tim Tebow to be open and outspoken about his faith... jmowreader Apr 2012 #25
You are in the minority here on that aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #27
He did his time and continues to do volunteer work Godhumor Apr 2012 #33
I wasn't talking about Michael Vick. I was talking about Tim Tebag. jmowreader Apr 2012 #64
And Tebow committed no crime aspieextrodinare Apr 2012 #66
He committed way too many turnovers in 2011, though jmowreader Apr 2012 #73
Dumber than a box of rocks...nt joeybee12 Apr 2012 #22
I wish there was a thing "inspoken" and this putz would figure out how to be it. originalpckelly Apr 2012 #26
This is all a setup Nevernose Apr 2012 #29
Wonder what Jesus would have to say to Tebow. Frank Cannon Apr 2012 #30
Yep. We need MATTHEW 6:5-6 tee shirts for the games. aquart Apr 2012 #58
His NFL career will soon be over. al_liberal Apr 2012 #31
Well it may be OK MuseRider Apr 2012 #32
He gave a speech to a bunch of people in a church customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #36
Oooh I guess you got me there. MuseRider Apr 2012 #39
Reporters who should be focused on sports ask him these questions customerserviceguy Apr 2012 #51
It is ok to be outspoken about faith as long as they're speaking Johonny Apr 2012 #47
Darn! MuseRider Apr 2012 #49
According to one article in our TX paper, hundreds of his "Christian" followers got up and LEFT rainbow4321 Apr 2012 #34
"what this country was based on: one nation under God." KamaAina Apr 2012 #35
Is it OK to be outspoken about my disbelief of your imaginary friend in the sky? n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2012 #37
OMG! The horror! n/t RZM Apr 2012 #40
Matthew 6:5-6, Tim. aquart Apr 2012 #42
He could do this!!! JoePhilly Apr 2012 #54
i was hoping he would use this occasion to come out of the closet JI7 Apr 2012 #48
!!! rurallib Apr 2012 #70
Wow! This guy is cute. Pool Hall Ace Apr 2012 #50
It's also OK to just plain STFU about it hatrack Apr 2012 #59
But he has no problem with working on Sundays. Mendocino Apr 2012 #60
Tim Tebow for first preacher in 2044. Initech Apr 2012 #61
Sure, as long as we all get to make our own choices for "God". MrScorpio Apr 2012 #63
No doubting his popularity. Zax2me Apr 2012 #68
As long as it is okay for us to tell you to stop shoving your religion down our throats. n/t alarimer Apr 2012 #69
agreed if one speaks about their religion in public SydBAThule Apr 2012 #74

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
1. "one nation under God" - which god is ok? Any diety? Or only the God who let his kid get offed?
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 06:56 PM
Apr 2012

That is the question. And fwiw, our country was founded with separation of Church and state for a reason....

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
3. and the phrase "one nation under god " was added in the 1950's to the POA
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 06:58 PM
Apr 2012

Hardly original intent. But then an ignoramus like Tebow wouldn't know that.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
5. I think it was added in 1957, part of the backlash against "godless commies"... And no,
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 07:01 PM
Apr 2012

I don't think Tebow has a homeschooled freaking clue. But maybe being traded to New Yorkmwill open his eyes....

Justice wanted

(2,657 posts)
52. It was added in 1954. The founding father's didn't want One particular Deity over another
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 07:49 AM
Apr 2012

IN Fact most of the founding father's like my favorite -Ben Franklin where deists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism


Many of there ancestors came to america looking for religious freedom Something that seems to be left out now at days.


Who's god are we suppose to be saying one nation under god too?


the Catholic

The Presbyterian

Baptist

Lutheran

Evangelical

Methodist

because it seems these type of people don't respect the Jewish faith as they claim... They just lump them in with "Us" because they will find the light one day (As one Evangelical told me one day.)

Of here is some info other info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_allegience

rustydog

(9,186 posts)
23. It was added as our simplistic threa to the "Godless" communist threat
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:09 PM
Apr 2012


Makes as much sense and the GOP's "Freedom Fries" talking point
 

Becka2515

(58 posts)
53. Evil really?
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 08:22 AM
Apr 2012

Last edited Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:15 AM - Edit history (1)

Can you please point out ANYTHING this man has done that can even be remotely labeled EVIL? Ok he has helped sick children have some happiness in their life. (REALLY EVIL THERE) He is outspoken about his faith, NOT evil. I will give you a dollar for every EVIL act he has ever done. Please don't devalue the word Evil please.

 

Becka2515

(58 posts)
72. Sorry I dont lable everyone with the same brush
Fri Apr 13, 2012, 07:23 AM
Apr 2012

I asked you what he has done in his life to be considered EVIL? Remembering Evil is a pretty big word. So again I ask you what as an individual has he done to be labled with that word?

 

elehhhhna

(32,076 posts)
67. please, alright already he's not evil. just a useful idiot
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 10:02 PM
Apr 2012

plays with a ball. big whup. this country is fraking celebrity-mad. THAT's probably evilish. Ex.: Kim Kardashians hoohoo makes a headline every time it leaves the house. they should marry for like two weeks.

brewens

(13,582 posts)
6. He's set himself up to have to keep the Tebow show going constantly.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 07:04 PM
Apr 2012

Already I've seen him realize he was on camera and go into "oops, I'd better pray" mode. Clearly putting on a show. There was no reason at all why he couldn't have glanced up, seen the camera and carried on just watching the game or talking to his teammate. Now he has to always be the most religious guy around. We'll see how it works out for him.

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
7. Tim Tebow is sooo handsome, but boy is he full of shit
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 07:04 PM
Apr 2012

It's scary how much bs can spew out of his mouth.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
71. I guess it's finally safe for Christians to come out of the closet?
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 10:20 PM
Apr 2012

They're so oppressed, you know.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
9. Will be interesting to see what he experiences in NY
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 07:08 PM
Apr 2012

His "pulpit" will only last a New York minute.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
11. Well, he's right. It is okay -
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 07:12 PM
Apr 2012

- to be outspoken about your faith. It's also okay to be outspoken about your lack of faith. If you don't like what he has to say, don't listen and don't support him or his team.

It's certainly okay to be outspoken but we all have the choice to turn him off, too.

lynne

(3,118 posts)
55. Exactly. You can call him anything you want -
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 08:53 AM
Apr 2012

- that's all part of the "each can express their personal opinion" clause.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
13. 'E Pluribus Unum', not 'one nation, (since the 50s) under God'
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 07:16 PM
Apr 2012

In fact, football players managed to say prayers and thank god for decades without becomeing celebrities for it. So you have to thank are the people who think that limits on their ability to push people around constitute a 'war' against them.

aint_no_life_nowhere

(21,925 posts)
14. Would he have the patience to watch the TV while a televised Hindu worshipping NFL player
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 07:17 PM
Apr 2012

openly worshiped the goddess Kali on the sidelines before and after the game? If the NFL were to go truly international one day, we might very well see that. He can worship however he wants but I don't think I should have to be part of a captive TV audience forced to watch what should be a private matter.

 

anti-alec

(420 posts)
16. Don't give a crap about this below mediocre backup QB
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 07:19 PM
Apr 2012

that has no business grabbing headlines.

He's nothing but a two bit halfwit below mediocre QB with no talent on loan from God.

Since when do backup QB grab headlines?

This guy is nothing who has too much charisma.

This town is finally at peace with Manning now.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
46. If I had a ham-mer, I'd hammer in the mor-nin'
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:21 AM
Apr 2012

I'd hammer in the eve-nin', all over this laaaaand....

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
65. There are a lot of Greek and Norse gods that are pretty cool
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:39 PM
Apr 2012

I'll go with Dionysus, the Greek god of partying and drunkenness.

 

aspieextrodinare

(82 posts)
21. I love the morality of NFL fans
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 08:59 PM
Apr 2012

You rape women, that's okay. You murder dogs, we will give you an award for your courage when you come back to the NFL. You are outspoken about your faith, you are evil. I really don't get it.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
25. It's okay for Tim Tebow to be open and outspoken about his faith...
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:14 PM
Apr 2012

When he learns how to win a football game by more than three points, let me know.

 

aspieextrodinare

(82 posts)
27. You are in the minority here on that
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:16 PM
Apr 2012

Though personally I wonder what Vick has ever done that makes him so popular. 2 playoff wins in all his years playing, yet he immediately is forgiven for murdering dogs :-/.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
64. I wasn't talking about Michael Vick. I was talking about Tim Tebag.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:35 PM
Apr 2012

But speaking of Michael Vick: After he got out of prison he had to file bankruptcy. There are two chapters of the bankruptcy code that apply to individuals: Chapter 7 and Chapter 13. Chapter 7 is a liquidation plan: they confiscate and sell most of your assets, divide the money amongst your creditors, and after that you are free and clear. Chapter 13 requires you to set up a repayment plan that must be approved by the court. Vick was advised to take Chapter 7 because it lets you get on with your life quicker. Vick insisted on going Chapter 13.

He's at least trying to make amends...

 

aspieextrodinare

(82 posts)
66. And Tebow committed no crime
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 09:49 PM
Apr 2012

I still find it ironic that someone who tortures and kills dogs for profit is more respected than someone who speaks out about his faith. Seems to totally go against any sort of principals one could have.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
73. He committed way too many turnovers in 2011, though
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 12:25 AM
Apr 2012

We're not talking about a preacher here, at least not yet. We're talking about a quarterback in the NFL--a quarterback who isn't all that good at his job. This is the guy who took his team to the playoffs for the first time in seven years, and was thanked for his fine work by being waived the first chance they got and replaced by a guy who I don't think is going to make it through the season. (Whether it was because it was TIM TEBOW!!! and (imagine "The Denver Broncos" written in letters 1/16-inch high), or because he either wins by three points or loses by twenty, I am not sure. But he is no longer in Denver.)

'Course, if the Jets waive him after one season, he'll probably go into the ministry on a full-time basis.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
29. This is all a setup
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:19 PM
Apr 2012

For his post-football career. My guess is Fox Sports the day after retirement, plus a very high speaking fee.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
30. Wonder what Jesus would have to say to Tebow.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:20 PM
Apr 2012

Oh, that's right. He already said it: Matthew 6:5-6. And he was pretty clear about it, too.

al_liberal

(420 posts)
31. His NFL career will soon be over.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:31 PM
Apr 2012

He's seen the writing on the wall, he knows his days as an NFL player are VERY limited so he's looking past all of that. He probably has a great future as a huckster televangelist or inspirational Xtian speaker so long as he can stay in the closet.

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
32. Well it may be OK
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 09:49 PM
Apr 2012

but it is pretty damned obnoxious.

I, for one, have heard enough and care not to hear anymore.

I was raised as a Christian and I remember being told to worship quietly, isn't that in the Bible?

I don't know what I would call myself now except sick and tired of having to listen to people outspoken about their faith.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
36. He gave a speech to a bunch of people in a church
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:43 PM
Apr 2012

As long as I don't hear of him infriging on anyone else's First Amendment rights, I won't gripe about him using his.

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
39. Oooh I guess you got me there.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:44 PM
Apr 2012

I was not referring to him after the first sentence but you knew that.

There is no reason for anyone to have to spout off about their religion to strangers who are buying things, eating things, riding on the bus etc. It is obnoxious and intrusive to those of us who do not want to hear it.

I could tell you all about my sex life but that should be private as well and I doubt you want to hear it. But I could.....

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
51. Reporters who should be focused on sports ask him these questions
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 07:24 AM
Apr 2012

The folks who run the cameras at a game can choose to pan over to the cheerleaders instead of Tim "Tebowing". If you give him enough attention, his belief system is eventually going to come out. I don't think he brings it up with folks on the bus.

I'm an atheist, and I don't care who he credits his football performance with. I guess I wish the folks in the world of sports coverage would feel the same way.

Johonny

(20,841 posts)
47. It is ok to be outspoken about faith as long as they're speaking
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 12:37 AM
Apr 2012

If you hide behind your faith and spread a lot of hatred of women and gays and expect a lot of outspoke faith right back at yah. Well once you try to talk back suddenly you are censoring them and should just shut up. It always seems like they like they love the OK to be outspoken part so long as it is them speaking. Funny how that OK part works.

rainbow4321

(9,974 posts)
34. According to one article in our TX paper, hundreds of his "Christian" followers got up and LEFT
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:27 PM
Apr 2012

after Tebow got done speaking...they bailed on the preacher before he could give his service. They shoulda have him speak LAST and made the Tebow groupies sit thru the real service.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
35. "what this country was based on: one nation under God."
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:36 PM
Apr 2012

So this country was founded in 1954??

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance#Addition_of_.22under_God.22

In 1952, Holger Christian Langmack wrote a letter to President Truman suggesting the inclusion of "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. Mr. Langmack was a Danish philosopher and educator who came to the United States in 1911. He was one of the originators of the Prayer Breakfast and a religious leader in Washington, D.C. President Truman met with him along with several others to discuss the inclusion of "under God" and also "love" just before "liberty and justice".(citation needed)...

Prior to February 1954, no endeavour to get the Pledge officially amended succeeded. The final successful push came from George MacPherson Docherty. Some American presidents honored Lincoln's birthday by attending services at the church Lincoln attended, New York Avenue Presbyterian Church by sitting in Lincoln's pew on the Sunday nearest February 12. On February 7, 1954, with President Eisenhower sitting in Lincoln's pew, the church's pastor, George MacPherson Docherty, delivered a sermon based on the Gettysburg Address titled "A New Birth of Freedom." He argued that the nation's might lay not in arms but its spirit and higher purpose. He noted that the Pledge's sentiments could be those of any nation, that "there was something missing in the pledge, and that which was missing was the characteristic and definitive factor in the American way of life." He cited Lincoln's words "under God" as defining words that set the United States apart from other nations.

President Eisenhower had been baptized a Presbyterian very recently, just a year before. He responded enthusiastically to Docherty in a conversation following the service. Eisenhower acted on his suggestion the next day and on February 8, 1954, Rep. Charles Oakman (R-Mich.), introduced a bill to that effect. Congress passed the necessary legislation and Eisenhower signed the bill into law on Flag Day, June 14, 1954. Eisenhower stated "In this way we are reaffirming the transcendence of religious faith in America's heritage and future; in this way we shall constantly strengthen those spiritual weapons which forever will be our country's most powerful resource, in peace or in war."

The phrase "under God" was incorporated into the Pledge of Allegiance June 14, 1954, by a Joint Resolution of Congress amending §7 of the Flag Code enacted in 1942.


I thought it was UC that didn't offer American history courses, not Florida.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
37. Is it OK to be outspoken about my disbelief of your imaginary friend in the sky? n/t
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 10:44 PM
Apr 2012

Science lets you fly to the moon, Religion makes you fly into buildings.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
42. Matthew 6:5-6, Tim.
Sun Apr 8, 2012, 11:53 PM
Apr 2012

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.


But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

 

Zax2me

(2,515 posts)
68. No doubting his popularity.
Mon Apr 9, 2012, 10:10 PM
Apr 2012

My female friends swoon over this guy. ALL of them. Young, older, tatooed - even blue hairs. When questioned as to why, looks are mentioned but mostly they remark on his confidence. Not many mention his faith but they may be keeping that to themselves, I don't know.
I don't get it.

 

SydBAThule

(25 posts)
74. agreed if one speaks about their religion in public
Sat Apr 14, 2012, 07:54 AM
Apr 2012

then others have the right to call you on it or make fun of it.

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