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The World’s Top 5 Cybercrime Hotspots (Original Post) trumad Aug 2014 OP
Is this a joke? "World's Top 5 Cybercrime Hotspots"? JackRiddler Aug 2014 #1
Sorry--- trumad Aug 2014 #2
The trick is to define "cybercrime" JackRiddler Aug 2014 #3
malware...Bots....Phishing attacks.. trumad Aug 2014 #4
Total surveillance state... JackRiddler Aug 2014 #5
You: "This is where we are seeing the attacks coming from." JackRiddler Aug 2014 #16
Threadjack! MohRokTah Aug 2014 #8
Well I am trying to be nice in explaining that to him. trumad Aug 2014 #9
Then don't call it crime. JackRiddler Aug 2014 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #11
. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #15
You will of course, allow us the Total, Unambiguous and Final Definition of the word Cyber-Crime LanternWaste Aug 2014 #17
I'll go with the dictionary JackRiddler Aug 2014 #18
that's why that Nigerian Prince is trying to get his millions out of the country NightWatcher Aug 2014 #6
Verizon, AT&T, ComCast etc lpbk2713 Aug 2014 #7
Shhh! JackRiddler Aug 2014 #12
Oh for christ sakes.. trumad Aug 2014 #14
Take them to court if what they are doing is illegal...? LanternWaste Aug 2014 #19
#1, The Internet. n/t PoliticAverse Aug 2014 #13
IT department at my office (all one of him) changed the passwords by one character company wide... LanternWaste Aug 2014 #20
Comey was pushing the panic propaganda on 60 Minutes JackRiddler Oct 2014 #21
 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
1. Is this a joke? "World's Top 5 Cybercrime Hotspots"?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:18 PM
Aug 2014

It's a big subject but let's settle for the Top 5 within the United States:

Silicon Valley
Fort Meade, Maryland
Some computer covering x-hundred acres in Utah
Wall Street
The servers of the credit-rating agencies

Hollywood and the RIAA would be the runners-up.

Here's a minor but particularly virulent spot:

The servers of Henry Luce Memorial "TIME" magazine, continuing to do service as America's weekly revision of its Soviet-style pocket encyclopedia for the Lowbrow.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
2. Sorry---
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:28 PM
Aug 2014

But you're wrong.

Norton
Symantec
Check Point etc...

Daily analysis reports show these countries are head of the list for cyber crime hot spots.

One of my Cyber Security vending partners has a state of the art Security NOC with 100 inch high definition monitors. Color coded with real time attack locations. It's a site to behold.

Yeah I know--- folks want to throw the good old USA in there... sorry, we're the least of the problem.



 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
3. The trick is to define "cybercrime"
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:34 PM
Aug 2014

so that it's only covering retail and not wholesale. Kind of like the "war on drugs." Make sure the big, organized crime at the top is "legal" and obscured by scare stories about the individual stuff from the bottom.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
4. malware...Bots....Phishing attacks..
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:38 PM
Aug 2014

Etc. Hideous shit. ....

This latest hit from Russia was a botnet attack.

Again....This is where we are seeing the attacks coming from.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
5. Total surveillance state...
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:52 PM
Aug 2014

wide-net data gathering and selling... ranking the life-worthiness of all humans by their credit rating... money laundering, plundering the wealth of the world... pursuing a crusade against Downloading Grandmas and driving Aaron Swartz to suicide based on bogus intellectual property claims... entrapment... these are also cybercrimes.

"Etc. hideous shit..."

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
16. You: "This is where we are seeing the attacks coming from."
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:31 PM
Aug 2014

And by the way, if that is where "we" see the attacks coming from, where do "they" see the attacks coming from?

Stuxnet on the loose?
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/stuxnet-americas-nuclear-plant-attacking-virus-has-infected-the-international-space-station

"When the United States mounted its cyberattacks on Iran’s nuclear facilities early in President Obama’s first term, Mr. Obama expressed concern to aides that China and other states might use the American operations to justify their own intrusions."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/world/asia/us-accuses-chinas-military-in-cyberattacks.html?pagewanted=all


NSA breaches into Huawei servers, installs backdoors
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/world/asia/nsa-breached-chinese-servers-seen-as-spy-peril.html

Huawei is a totally evil company barred from the U.S. because it might install backdoors into its software, and that's only good if it's Microsoft or Apple doing it for the NSA.

Solution: indict Chinese military unit for trying the same thing, howl about it like it's an unprecedented breach of all law.

I don't see "our" criminals or "their" criminals. I see criminals regardless of nation. The people are everywhere are contending with degrees of authoritarian rule, some deadlier, some less so and therefore held up as the "good guys."
 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
8. Threadjack!
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 03:55 PM
Aug 2014

Dude, there are plenty of threads for you to complain about those issues. This thread is about cybercrime which has nothing to do with anything you mentioned.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
10. Then don't call it crime.
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:05 PM
Aug 2014

There's a real enough problem with retail malware but what is it compared to things like industrial installation of hidden spy apps on everyone's shit? (Oh, but it's legal! It's only violating the constitution, after all.)

"Cybercrime" is an ideological trope that pretends that some forms of crime conducted online are very, very bad, especially if they're done by FURRNERS! This is in part a marketing scheme for companies like those trumad names. Focusing on only one kind of "cybercrime" and not the other distracts from the industrial forms of crime conducted online.

You want to talk about crime, then crime should be discussed. You want to talk about relatively petty crime, then identify it as such.

You want to link to TIME magazine as though it's anything other than the weekly sheet of reactionary panics, expect a reply on that as well.

This is what TIME magazine is about:

Response to JackRiddler (Reply #10)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. You will of course, allow us the Total, Unambiguous and Final Definition of the word Cyber-Crime
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:35 PM
Aug 2014

You will of course, allow us the Total, Unambiguous and Final Definition of the word Cyber-Crime without any post-hoc qualifiers as you seem to be annoyed with the definition relevant to the OP, yes?

And maybe source the legal citing for us-- so we may all rest assured you're not simply guessing or making up a definition to suit your own perceptions? As you said, identify it as such.

Else, you may simply be given all the credibility you so far in fact, warrant...

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
18. I'll go with the dictionary
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:38 PM
Aug 2014

crime |krīm|
noun
an action or omission that constitutes an offense that may be prosecuted by the state and is punishable by law: shoplifting was a serious crime.
• illegal activities: the victims of crime.
• an action or activity that, although not illegal, is considered to be evil, shameful, or wrong: they condemned apartheid as a crime against humanity | it's a crime to keep a creature like Willy in a tank.
ORIGIN Middle English (in the sense ‘wickedness, sin’): via Old French from Latin crimen ‘judgment, offense,’ based on cernere ‘to judge.'

On this thread, apparently, shoplifting is a serious crime, but money laundering isn't.

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
14. Oh for christ sakes..
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:18 PM
Aug 2014

Give it a fucking rest.

I explained clearly what this type of cyber crime is and you continue to rant about the good old USofA.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. Take them to court if what they are doing is illegal...?
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:38 PM
Aug 2014

Take them to court if what they are doing is illegal...?

(I do realize it's much more convenient though, to simply point fingers-- nothing at all to risk, and we still maintain the pretense of our convictions and consider ourselves martyrs and heroes-- to ourselves if not to others)

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
20. IT department at my office (all one of him) changed the passwords by one character company wide...
Fri Aug 8, 2014, 04:40 PM
Aug 2014

IT department at my office (all one of him) changed the passwords by one character company wide earlier this week after the breaches had been made public. I felt bad for the guy-- not for the additional work of changing each station's login info, but because he had to explain what a password, a login, and a character is to half the company.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
21. Comey was pushing the panic propaganda on 60 Minutes
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 09:13 PM
Oct 2014

And I thought of this ridiculous thread.

He talked about how wonderful all the measures taken since 9/11 were and in particular pumped up "cybercrime" into the new, greatest, most deadly horrible threat ever, with the Chinese as the big enemy. Spend money on his bureau! He had the nerve to talk about the PLA indictments, without mentioning the NSA's break-in to the Huawei servers, or Stuxnet, or the general unconstitutionality of pretty much the entire total surveillance state in which the NSA and FBI are the key partners.

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