Dear Hillary. Please stop making it difficult for progressives to support you.

[DanTex]

Don't criticize Obama for not getting involved in enough wars. Don't do cuddly photo ops with Bibi, talking about how right he is to be massacring Gazan civilians. It's bad enough that your husband deregulated Wall Street, passed NAFTA, and "reformed" welfare. You're really pushing it.

[villager]

1. In my blue state, it seems, increasingly, I'd be throwing away my vote if not cast for someone left

...of Hillary.

Of course, she's making that "to the left of her" a wider and wider swath of territory

[movonne]

11. In that case either way it will be a throw away vote..I'm

getting the feeling that Hillary will be just as bad as the rethugs...I see her taking a very right turn...

[tech3149]

128. From my perspective, most votes are throw away votes

Think about it. Most of the choices of who you can vote for are determined for you so you are basically choosing between two evils. It's like "who will stab you in the back or who will slit your throat?" The Republicans have the knife to your throat and you aren't sure which Democrat has the knife at your back.
I didn't become politically involved until 2003. I knew politics was totally effed up and you could not trust most candidates, even for local office, because they would say or do anything that got them or kept them in office.
Obama was a "holding my nose vote" and Hillary will be the same.
Until you and I start building a force from the ground that makes big party players pay attention and take us seriously, we will be thrown to the curb after they get our vote.

[blkmusclmachine]

2. The more we see, the less we like.

[TheNutcracker]

17. Yeah, and don't forget ending Glass-Steagal!!! Clinton ruined the housing market!

Is there no one better in the U.S.?????

I'll just bet there is.

[Cicada]

31. The Glass-steagal violators LESS likely to go bust

Larry Summers says that in reality those banks which entered non-bank businesses were LESS likely to bust than those which stuck to only banking. When all the banks go broke it can be handy to have a lot of money in an unrelated business. He says that getting rid of Glass-steagle REDUCED the number of broke banks. I had assumed repealing Glass-steagal was one reason for the Crash but Summers comments have changed my mind. I think the primary cause was high leverage. Whed Deustch Bank loans 50 dollars for every one dollar of capital bankruptcy seem about certain. And US banks were also far too leveraged.

[Enthusiast]

51. You subscribe to what Larry Summers tells you?

[mdbl]

59. I thought the same thing

You're listening to Larry Summers? Might as well listen to Alan Greenspan again. Oh wait, he said he was mistaken, four years later after the market crashed.

[shaayecanaan]

55. If you're an investment bank

rather than a commercial bank, that in itself allows an institution to leverage their assets more extensively. And there is no doubt that many institutions got into trouble offering facilities and products that they could never have offered or could have only offered sparingly had they been fully regulated banks.

Eg, Countrywide relied largely on brokered deposits, which it could only have accepted with approval prior to Glass Steagal, and it still wouldnt have counted as tier 1 capital. Lehman failed because of its subprime exposure, but this was an exposure to securitised mortgage tranches rather than vanilla lending services.

Summers is really talking out of his arse here. Its hard to say how banks would have done if they could only offer vanilla lending services, but certainly in those countries where banks could only offer those services (Canada, Australia) there have been a marked absence of bank failures.

[calimary]

124. Good post. Nobody wants regulations anymore. So no wonder this shit happens.

Makes me CRAAAAAAAZYYYYY!!!!!

[DanTex]

58. Examples?

It seems to me that the big banks that needed bailouts were all Glass Steagall violators. Deutsche Bank, by the way, is also a Glass Steagall violator -- both an investment and commercial bank.

[hatrack]

85. Why are you talking about Glass-Steagal? It hasn't existed since 1999 . . .

We could have gotten it back in place in, say, early 2009, but President Obama apparently had "other priorities" . . .

[a kennedy]

34. And then there was NAFTA.....

Ugh... one of the worst possible act's for unions....... Didn't vote for her husband either time....and I'm thinking long and hard for voting for Her. If she's the nominee I will vote for her, but will hold my nose while doing it.

[missmo1951]

56. I'm with you.

I would prefer Elizabeth Warren/George Miller.

[PatrynXX]

22. Hillary George Jr I fail to see the difference

and they both owned stock in the arab country that attempted to buy out our ports..

[AtomicKitten]

3. Difficult? She has made it impossible.

[hifiguy]

4. Pretty much this.

MN is pretty reliably Democratic in presidential elections, so I just might vote third party for POTUS if HRC gets the nod. She is no progressive.

[AtomicKitten]

19. Ideally she will be knocked out in the primary, again.

It is entirely likely that she will do another faceplant in 2016 like she did in 2008. That way we don't have to contemplate voting third party or staying home.

I didn't vote for her in 2008 and will not in 2016.

[PatrynXX]

24. after the Face Palm

Rand Paul moment in 2007, she lost me.. came into a packed Iowa Caucus room and the hillary folks came in 1 minute late. John Edwards folks were a bit cocky as they had john edwards photos on every desk. pretty quickly the Obama are ran out of space and kicked John out. Biden was also there. think even he got more than Hillary.

[Rockyj]

136. Well said!

[broiles]

5. I will not vote for Hillary, period.

I also will not give money to anyone who supports Israel in this genocide.

[stranger81]

43. Ditto what you said. [n/t]

[Jackpine Radical]

48. Unfortunately, just about every conceivable Dem candidate

seems in lockstep behind Israel.

I don't get it. Is AIPAC money more important to them than the 90% of the liberal vote that oposes what Israel is doing?

Or are they just assuming that we'll all be on to other things by 2016? (Sadly they may be right on this one.)

[dreamnightwind]

78. As long as there is no serious challenger on the left

most of the elected Dems couldn't care less what the left thinks. Or they distance themselves from our interests to further their own careers.

We have nowhere else to go so they can and will sell out our principles to pick up the low-information mass of "centrist" voters who don't like either party and are mostly informed by the corporate media.

They'll get as close to the Republican position as possible so as force the Republican so far right their positions become unsupportable.

Unfortunately with the campaign donations and the revolving door promising them wealth after public service, they will govern strictly in the interests of the powerful.

It's time we have somewhere else to go, there's no other way to leverage our own party's policies.

[freebrew]

123. you said:

"force the Republican so far right their positions become unsupportable. "

I thought they were over the line long ago.

I was mistaken. These tea party asshats would have been laughed off the air not 20 years ago.

Then came * and fake news worse than ever I can remember.

The general populace sucks this shit up. Credit to ronnie and nixon for the lack of education progress in this country.

This nation won't change for the better until fox news is dead and buried along with the RWNJs on the radio.

[warrant46]

130. You are so correct in the 6th Wisconsin House seat

The three republicans fighting it out in the primary tomorrow ALL TEA PARTY make George Wallace and Ross Barnett seem Liberal

[sabrina 1]

76. I will not support Hillary either.

[yeoman6987]

87. Even if Ted Cruz is the GOP nominee?

I find that hard to believe.

[rtracey]

95. really

Even if Ted Cruz.......? wow....

[yeoman6987]

96. Well your the one saying that you would rather a Republican win

instead of voting for the Democrat. I can't even imagine such a thing. DU has changed its population so amazingly quick.

[rtracey]

101. you need to read again ace

You need to check your eyes or something dude.... you are basically saying even if Ted Cruz was GOP nominee, you still wouldn't vote for Hillary.....you have the problem, not me.....if you want Cruz to win, vote that way, don't come on DEMOCRATIC Underground, you need to try RIGHT WING BS Underground..... and it's you're, not your.....

[yeoman6987]

138. Again you said you would never

Vote for Hillary and when I called you on it, you did not say otherwise.

[broiles]

137. Even if cruz is the nominee. It will be a false choice. I'll vote Green.

Down ballot I'll vote democratic.

[harun]

92. Ditto. Not a progressive bone in her body.

[arikara]

6. I hope she doesn't go for it

and I hope she's as inevitable as she was last time around if she does decide. We really need to get some good progressive governments into North America.

[PatrynXX]

26. ie

horror to think about it I'd rather vote for Chris Christy before hillary. he's an asshole but she's farther to the right.

[Jackpine Radical]

49. No way I could stomach him.

No pun intended.

[Cha]

61. Let's get real here.. Hillary is warmongering obnoxiously.. but if you think she's further to

the right than Christie then you need to study his record of history.

[davidpdx]

63. +1,000,000

I'm worried we are going to have her stuffed down our throats.

[Cha]

66. Not liking it, either, david. I keep thinking we've got two years and a lot can happen that

is more positive than what's coming from Hillary's mouth.

I'm concerned about the Midterm elections and what impact her sucking all the air out the room might have. If she does have hope in being President doesn't she want a Senate to work with? A Democratic Congress for these last two years of PBO's?

[davidpdx]

68. You would think so

I believe it's going to take a push in both 2014 and 2016 to get control of Congress. Whomever is elected president in 2016 won't be able to do much if there is a Republican Congress.

[Cha]

69. Exactly.

[Jim Lane]

42. I want her to go for it to keep Cuomo out, but then lose.

The trouble with Hillary deciding not to run is that then Andrew Cuomo will run, and will be the instant front-runner. He's approximately as bad as Hillary.

Another advantage to Hillary running, being labeled inevitable, and then losing, is that whoever beats her for the nomination emerges with the image of a plucky underdog who pulled off an upset. Many nonideological voters ("Gaza? Is that in South America?&quot will respond to that kind of thing.

[Skittles]

7. I cannot bring myself to forgive anyone who voted for IWR

you had to be seriously ignorant or seriously complicit - there's absolutely no middle ground

[Dems to Win]

10. +1

Barbara Lee speaks for me <<<<<< A good protest sign in 2001 and 2003. Still good today.

[sammythecat]

107. My feelings as well

2002-2003 was a horrible time to be a sane American. A watershed moment for me for sure. I've been a cynic (disappointed idealist) ever since. We were exposed as an ignorant self-absorbed society and Congress and the media as self-serving corrupt cowards. Disgusting and disheartening to say the least. I said then it would take a generation for all these slugs to be gone and even then there's no guarantee at all their replacements will be any better. We can hope and vote I guess.

We need leaders in this country. Leaders with passion to do the right thing and a willingness to sacrifice to do the right thing, not the ladder-climbing careerist shit we have now.

One of Hitler's henchmen, Himmler or Goebbels, I forget which, expressed an old truism from history I'm sure you've heard before: Take a lie, no matter how outrageous, tell it often enough, over and over and people will come to believe it. Republicans do this all the time as a matter of course. We need democrats in power who will do this very thing with the truth. I had hope Obama would do this very thing with his second term. He has the bully pulpit. He can say whatever he wants whenever he wants about anything he wants, and he will be heard. He's tried. He's expressed his frustration and disappointment, but not enough. He needs to throw his weight around and be a pain in the ass about things. He needs to be an educator. The American people need to be beat over the fucking head with the truth before it has any chance of sinking in. The "wisdom of the American people" politicians are so fond of is a fantasy.

Anyway, I have very little confidence in Hillary which is so sad because this could be an opportunity of historical proportions. She could be the first female president and the gamechanger this country desperately needs. She's a woman and could be president, but I don't think the has the passion or the desire to be a gamechanger.

[Skittles]

129. very good analysis

yes indeed

[monmouth3]

8. She is a bullet I shall dodge...NO HILLARY!!!!

[INdemo]

21. Stop and think about it

Hillary was and is a Republican light so how could progressives really support her..I will stand by my statement made months ago; if Hillary is the nominee progressive Democrats will stay home on election day.

[monmouth3]

29. I don't think you will be alone...n/t

[Dems to Win]

9. Wish she'd say she's not running, open floodgates for new faces

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I won't be supporting any DLC-er in the primary. Fingers are crossed we have some better choices.

Draft Kamala Harris!

[mdbl]

60. i quit supporting the DLC after the Bill Clinton administration

They pay lip service to progressives but vote like they are right wingers. They threaten that the world will go dark if you vote for repuglcans and get in office and act just like em.

[beerandjesus]

98. +1 for Kamala Harris!

[Laelth]

12. I sincerely appreciate the spirit of this thread.

Yes, I want to genuinely and wholeheartedly support our 2016 Presidential nominee (whomever it may be), and Ms. Clinton does make that difficult on occasion.



-Laelth

[littlemissmartypants]

13. If we can't support who she supports should we support her?

I think not.

Thanks DanTex for your post.

Love, Peace and the Righteous Fight. Lmsp

[cheapdate]

14. I wish there was a plausible alternative to Hillary

only for the sake of DU, which I believe may consume itself in rancor if she is elected.

[fbc]

122. for 2016? it's more than 2 years away.

[Fuddnik]

15. Let's not forget her predecessor and croney, Madeline Albright

Who thought it was such a wonderful idea to let Iraqi children starve and get ravaged by disease.

Birds of a feather. Buzzards.

[flamingdem]

16. Guess what? It's not going to be easy to get elected as a female

one reason being that she could never be Commander in Chief.

So I'd give her some room to move in this area. She'll have to walk the line like the rest.

[arikara]

71. I don't think its even the female thing anymore

I think she is so universally disliked by so many on both sides that it would be a disaster no matter how far she gets. And especially if she should make it back into the white house, heaven forbid.

[flamingdem]

72. She polls pretty well

Sure she has enemies, and a lot of it will have to do with gender once things get rolling, she'll be attacked viciously.

[arikara]

73. But many polls lately have been notoriously wrong

It all depends on who's doing the poll and what result they want.

[Ken Burch]

80. If she's this bad on foreign policy, she's going to be this bad on domestic issues

Remember, she has NEVER repudiated Glass-Steagall repeal, or Bill's signing of the welfare persecution legislation, or NAFTA.

The only things she is "liberal" on are no-risk trivial side issues that don't offend the 0.01%.

[MADem]

81. Why could she "never be commander in chief?" Where does that antiquated view come from? nt

[Thinkingabout]

18. I do not make excuses, let time pass, it is not the time to be running commericals

To help the GOP. There is not a perfect candidate and just because I may or may not agree with every issue the candidate takes a position on should not determine my vote. This is the GOP way. I don't know if I would agree on anyone's choice, bet I could find a single issue I do not like about any candidate.

[NightWatcher]

20. replace "support" with "stomach"

Like someone said a month or so ago, lay low for a few more months so we wont be sick of you by the time the election comes around. Now she's hugging up next to the genocidal maniac Bibi Netanyaahooo and blaming the Palestinians for their own murders. Lay low Hillary, don't make waves. Don't make people cringe when they hear you are in the news again.

[thesquanderer]

23. So she should lie?

This is who she is. You may not like it, but at least you know what you'll be getting.

[DanTex]

27. Actually, what I'm hoping is that she is lying, and she doesn't actually believe half this stuff.

[totodeinhere]

46. So you would vote for a liar? n/t

[DanTex]

57. I would rather vote for someone who says those things because she thinks it will get her

elected, than someone who actually believes those things.

Which would you prefer?

[totodeinhere]

70. Obviously neither. n/t

[Sherman A1]

25. The only vote HRC will get from me

will be if she is the Democratic Candidate in November of 2016. Beyond that nuthin'

[passiveporcupine]

28. Same here

I am actually glad that she is revealing her true form. Maybe it will swing more votes toward a more progressive contender. I still want Bernie Sanders.

He may not be a dem, but he sure is a progressive.

[Shemp Howard]

32. Sanders is more than just a progressive.

Sanders is a genuinely honest person. The politics of the last 20 years have left me jaded and discouraged. Liars on the left. Liars on the right. They promise one thing, then do another.

I no longer trust any of them, with one exception. I still trust Bernie Sanders.

[NorthCarolina]

47. I totally agree with you. nt

[Sherman A1]

79. Amen!

[woo me with science]

86. I agree.

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I think he does the best he can in this corrupt system to genuinely represent his constituents. And I worry about his safety, should he decide to run.

[MissDeeds]

102. Agree on all counts

Sanders is honest and ethical. He has my full confidence and support.

[davidpdx]

65. Agreed

I know quite a few people who feel the same way as I do (friends and family). I will vote for her if she is the nominee, but do no campaigning or donating money. She'll have to go to her corporate overlords for that.

[craigmatic]

30. The Clintons love to run on that third way BS the theory behind it is that

we have nowhere else to go and no one else to vote for if they run to the middle against hardcore repubs. Hillary's problem is that she has to win the primary first. Obama showed us that.

[HooptieWagon]

37. The DLC plan backfires...

... if their candidate runs so far to the right, that liberal Dems can't even hold their nose to vote for her, and vote third party or stay home. We've already been burned by the trojan horse, the Left is not as likely to be as easily placated by one or two social issues. Obama has pretty much given a big FU to liberals.
Of course, it makes no difference to Wall St... one of their candidates wins, regardless. So, might as well vote our conscience and attempt to drag the party back to its liberal roots, rather than continuing to enable a corporatist shift.

[whereisjustice]

33. But conservatives & Wall Street likes this sort of thing and their votes are important.

Our votes are taken 100% for granted so there is no point in representing us.

[HooptieWagon]

39. That is the key point.

As long as our votes are taken for granted, they don't care about representing us. Time to let them know we won't be taken for granted.

[Maedhros]

35. She doesn't care about the support of Progressives.

None of them do. Progressives are expected to sit down, shut up and vote how we're told. If we don't, we'll be scolded and shamed by the mob.

No need to consider our ideas.

[DonCoquixote]

36. In case peopel wonder why I take this vote seriously

I am in Florida. There is part of me that would to be "fuck it, I am in a blue state" or fuck it, the red staters will drown me out antyway. I do not have the luxury, and I also still hear the GOP types brag about how they plan to support nader again as a spoiler.

That being said, Hillary knows she can openly have contempt for the left. It does not hurt that firends of hers like LLoyd Blankfeld and Ann Evelyn de Rothschild will shovel money into her maw for having contempt for the left, or that Arianna Huffington will reward her for slapping aorund the left. What used to be the center is now the parasite arm of the right, lifeboats full of half drowned rats who let the GOp crash the nation into the rocks, and know want to become captains of our boat.

Unfortunately, the presidential race is the lowest prize, to be given only after someone has been evtted by the rich well enough thay can plan the next eight years. if we want less of this, we have to become local, and get, and keep, a bunch of pariahs that will hold the house and senate.

One thing Hillary, if Obama avoided pickign you or any of your people, he woudl have been praised. Yes, you and your PUMAS would have thrteaned war, but let's face it, the Puma wing has NOT stopped. You are already slamming Obama because he id not let you get that war with Syria you wanted.

[bowens43]

38. I can't beleive that anyone would consider voting for this person for president.

She is pretty much on the wrong side of every issue

[HooptieWagon]

40. Wrong side of every issue from our perspective...

I imagine Wall St and MIC find her positions quite satisfactory.

[Chemisse]

41. She is showing us what a Clinton presidency would look like.

And it's not as pretty as we would like to think.

[albino65]

44. Too late for me n/t

[bunnies]

45. She doesnt give a damn if the left supports her.

She'll have enough "independent" women to make up for that bloc.

[betterdemsonly]

50. That's what she thought last time n/t

[silvershadow]

52. I wish I could give this a rec. I understand the attempt, which makes me :) . But,

I just can't. I'm already with the Bernie or Lizzie crowd, and have been forever. Hillary just needs to take her place in the history books as is. She is a Republican-lite.

[Enthusiast]

53. I will not vote for HRC.

[alarimer]

54. I won't vote for her and I live in a red state.

I simply cannot hold my nose any longer and fall in lockstep.

Hillary and other candidate like her and why I am no longer a Democrat. I cannot stand the centrism that has been a hallmark of the party since Bill Clinton. Enough already.

[Logical]

62. She will be a disaster!!!! nt

[indepat]

64. Jesus, what a frightful thought if Hillary is the nominee

[Cha]

67. Pertinent Tweets.. thanks Dan Tex..

Kevin Grüssing @KevDGrussing
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So...@HllaryClinton pretty much calls all us under-30ers who DON'T drink the AIPAC/Israeli lobby kool-aid "anti-semitic". Right on Hillster!
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BWD @theonlyadult
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Read the entire Goldberg interview, and if I didn't know it was Hillary, I could swear it was McCain. SMFH.
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Every Democrat who has ever complained about Obama's foreign policy (including me) .. consider the alternative: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/08/hillary-clinton-failure-to-help-syrian-rebels-led-to-the-rise-of-isis/375832/ …
6:01 AM - 10 Aug 2014

TOD

[BlindTiresias]

74. At one point I was going to hold my nose

But she is riding into crazy town and is gleeful about it, so I will never vote for her.

[sabrina 1]

75. This Democrat hasn't supported her since 2004 and it's been easy, not difficult at all.

[Kablooie]

77. She seems to be trying to appeal to the conservative voters.

I guess she feels that conservatives will pick the winner.

[B Calm]

82. She should give up on politics and go back to being a Corporate Walmart Lawyer!

[NealK]

83. "...cuddly photo ops with Bibi, talking about how right he is to be massacring Gazan civilian."

Yeah.

[Romulox]

84. This is who she is. Still a "Goldwater Girl" after all these years... nt

[PADemD]

97. +1000

[Hoppy]

88. Why would you vote for her in a primary when you got Bernie who says he wi run?

E

[yellowwoodII]

89. She doesn't care about our few dollars

Here is a list of Congresspersons and what they receive from pro-Israel interests.
http://maplight.org/us-congress/interest/J5100/view/all

It will be interesting to see how soon people like Sheldon Adelson jump on her bandwagon. He's worth almost 34 billion according to Forbes. And he uses his money to promote his interest.

http://www.forbes.com/profile/sheldon-adelson/

[treestar]

90. Her husband's actions should not be attributed to her

Is there any candidate who is progressive on the Israel question?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

91. As somebody otherwise inclined to support her

Her comments disappointed me here. And "not doing dumb stuff" is exactly what we should be wanting from our leaders IMHO!

[pangaia]

93. If SHE is the nominee, I fortunately will not

have to vote for her. I live in New York.

[bigwillq]

105. Same for me.

I live in CT.

[BrainDrain]

94. Under NO circumstances...

would I EVER vote for that mealy-mouth, weepy, corporate-tool, opportunist. She is a political Titanic, and I REFUSE to get on board.

[L0oniX]

99. I will never vote for the Goldman Sachs representative of the 1%.

It will be sad to see DU go to Hillary hell. Is she makes it through the primary many here will stop posting ...maybe even leave or just troll the news or special interest groups.

[Orsino]

100. The saddest part is that the things progressives want most...

...would also play well with the Dem base. Just not so much with Clinton's largest donors.

I will still vote for her over any Republican.

[TheKentuckian]

106. I'll crawl to the polls and write in Minnie Mouse before I vote for Clinton or a TeaPubliKlan.

And don't give me "but the Supreme Court!", if anybody cared they wouldn't be trying to foist this corporate toady neoconservative on the country.

[Orsino]

110. But the Supreme Court! n/t

[PowerToThePeople]

103. Dear Hillary. Please start acting the role of a liberal.

You are making our job of suckering the left to vote for you much more difficult by being honest.

[bigwillq]

104. ABHC

Anybody but Hillary Clinton. I will never vote for her.

[heaven05]

108. If HRC is our

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only choice in this upcoming presidential sweepstakes, it WILL BE A WASTED VOTE. No matter the RW side being full of racist dangerous idealogues who have fooled the millions in a dumbed down populace who have willfully allowed their dumbing down. Having only a candidate like HRC is a frustrating and futile exercise of my 'voting right'. She is a candidate that is truly 180 degrees opposite of the way I feel about the genocide in Gaza, Bibi and Likud, NAFTA, Glass-Steagall repeal, the major misery caused to millions of people with hubby's "reform" of help for the poor. No! E. Warren nor Bernie, even if the chose to, would not be allowed to mount a major challenge to HRC. Period.

I've been struggling lately with my 'democratic/progressive principles versus the principles the Democratic Party have adopted to be able to contend with the fascist, racist RW Party that has finally shown it's true colors and ALL of it's adherents to those colors in this country. This adoption process has been going on since Nixon's 'southern strategy' was so very successful.

I had to fight to be able to vote in this country as a then 'Negro'. I am now, 42 years later, at the point where I am ready to choose to withdraw from this corrupt and money tainted voting process. My vote, because of corporate power and influence, the electoral college and various state SOS has become meaningless. And that is because of my 'vote' which doesn't really count being used by the PTB to show my enabling of the continued decline of our 'democracy' into the racist and fascist corporate run society that is being put into place as I write. Why should I vote when neither political party has the masses or my personal welfare as a guiding principle anymore.

The bush Patriot Act was the first overt sign of our rights being stripped with dems like HRC backing these laws and backing a war based on lies. Yeah, yeah I know, she has said that was a mistake. That was only because of her desire to run for the office of 'President' in 2016. A thinking politician would not have voted that way. The proof of this statement is the politicians who voted against that 'war' of which there were a pitiful few.

I am sure that flak will be thrown my way because of the stand I am taking. Nonetheless this is where I'll make my stand against the corruption and lies of our political process. My vote DOES NOT matter in this current system no matter the lies that it does.

[hootinholler]

109. Please continue Hillary

Exactly as you are.

Don't go changing, to try and please me...

[2banon]

111. Oh, I'm afraid this is music to her Neocon ears

She'll give us an encore, oops. make that: that she'll gives 10,000 encores.

[TwilightGardener]

112. Difficult? It's impossible for me.

And I'm a moderate Dem.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

113. She's relying on the "Not as bad" votes of the gullible.

[DonCoquixote]

114. translated

She knows that most of us do not want a GOP pig in the white house who will step on the gas and get everything that GOP wants, especially for the supreme court.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

115. A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue;

A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue; but moderation in principle is always a vice. Thomas Paine

[DonCoquixote]

116. Tell that to the Iraqis

Unless you believe Gore would have gotten us into the Iraq War.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

117. Tell it to Hillary who signed off on the Iraq war and supported it..and now supports

the atrocities in Gaza.

Of course, that would require "looking forward" while brushing what she did under the rug.

[DonCoquixote]

119. Goalpost move

The fact is, the people who voted for nader as a protest helped get the GOP in power. Oh, btw, check on Ralph lately?, he is supporting RAND "I will kill social security" Paul!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

120. No, he didn't. Gore didn't get the votes of the left because he failed to convince the left.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

Hillary Clinton supports retaining the Social Security tax cap.[44] The tax cap makes income in excess of $102,000 untaxable. The result is that the top 6% of income earners don't pay the social security tax on income above $102,000. Hillary Clinton called repealing the Social Security tax cap a "tax increase on the middle class."

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/Hillary_Clinton_Social_Security.htm

CLINTON: I don’t want to raise taxes on anybody. I’m certainly against one of Senator Obama’s ideas, which is to lift the cap on the payroll tax, because that would impose additional taxes on people who are educators, police officers, firefighters and the like.

CLINTON: I am totally committed to making sure Social Security is solvent. You’ve got to begin to reign in the budget, pay as you go, to try to replenish our Social Security Trust Fund. And with all due respect, the last time we had a crisis in Social Security wa 1983. Pres. Reagan and Speaker Tip O’Neill came up with a commission. That was the best and smartest way, because you’ve got to get Republicans and Democrats together. That’s what I will do. And I will say, #1, don’t cut benefits on current beneficiaries they’re already having a hard enough time. And #2, do not impose additional tax burdens on middle-class families.

FactCheck: No, teachers & police won’t pay if cap over $102K

Clinton exaggerated when she said that lifting the cap on wages that are subject to the Social Security tax “would impose additional taxes on people who are, you know, educators here in the Philadelphia area or in the suburbs, police officers, firefighters and the like.”

In fact, only individuals earning more than $102,000 a year would be affected. A spokesman for the union representing Philadelphia’s public school teachers tells FactCheck.org, “There are some affluent suburban districts where only the most senior educators with a master’s degree and probably 25 or more years of experience whose salaries might approach 100k. However, I think that’s a very small number overall.“

As for Philadelphia police officers, an officer would have to work more than 1,200 hours of overtime in a year to push even the highest base salary above $102,000.

The Clinton campaign pointed to budget figures showing that principals of Philadelphia’s large high schools earn $111,500 on average.

[Stellar]

118. Everytime I look up, she's criticing Obama. WTF!

I really am trying to give Hillary a chance to do what's right.

[fbc]

121. She should keep it honest. Don't fake progressivism for us.

She's not going to fool us at this point anyway.

[polichick]

125. Some progressives will carry a barf bag and vote for her...

but many won't. Let's hope there's another choice.

[olegramps]

126. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee and the adverse sentiment on DU is the norm, we are in trouble.

Does she actually alienate a substantial number of Democrats to the extent that they will not vote for her as expressed here?

I really shudder to think that this could hand the election to a Republican presidency, House and Senate. For my part, if she is nominated, I will vote for her solely because the alternative is a disaster.

No, I am not a big fan of Hillary and in fact changed my registration from Independent to the Democratic Party in order to vote for the nomination of Obama. I continue to support Obama and admire him for remaining committed to his principles during one of the most vicious unrelenting onslaughts against a president led by unprincipled racist jackals.

But, I must add that for Hillary Clanton to criticize Obama is totally unacceptable. This mess in the Middle East can be totally attributed to Bush and Cheney and she voted for it. She owns the broken pottery barn along with the Republicans. She may have made a fatal blunder. Oh, by the way, wasn't she Secretary of State in his administration?

[GETPLANING]

127. Hillary is a corporate, Israel-first Democrat.

In other words, a politician first, a citizen second.

[MirrorAshes]

131. I will vote for her for one reason alone. SCOTUS.

And only if she is the nominee of course. I certainly won't be voting for her in the primaries.

[tularetom]

132. I have no qualms about voting for the lesser of two evils

However one of the evils has to be a hell of a lot lesser than the other before I'd think about voting that way.

By every utterance, public speech, media event, hillary clinton has failed to convince me that she is less evil than an unknown republican candidate. I pretty much expected her to stab Obama in the back. She obviously thinks it's a politically expedient thing to do and bill clinton has always despised Obama.

In November 2016, I'll evaluate the degree of evilness of the candidates and if there is a clear difference I'll vote accordingly. If I can't tell the difference I'll write somebody in or abstain.

[rhett o rick]

135. At some point we have to object. Otherwise, the lower classes will continue

their slide into poverty. We are know to have a two party system but both parties at the top level are controlled by the same people.

[w4rma]

133. She is a dishonest Rockefeller Republican. She supports people like Rahm Emmanuel and she misleads

the public to tear down good people and garner money from the Waltons and other top .01%. I don't want her anywhere near the White House. And I want her kept away from any power within the Democratic Party, as her plans all amount to corrupting the Democratic Party with more big money types.

[Jack Rabbit]

134. Give Hillary a break. She started out as a Republican.

It's no surprise that she has remained one.