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eppur_se_muova

(36,262 posts)
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:13 PM Aug 2014

USB 'critically flawed' after bug discovery, researchers say (BBC)

Last edited Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:04 PM - Edit history (1)

By Dave Lee
Technology reporter, BBC News

Cyber-security experts have dramatically called into question the safety and security of using USB to connect devices to computers.

Berlin-based researchers Karsten Nohl and Jakob Lell demonstrated how any USB device could be used to infect a computer without the user's knowledge.

The duo said there is no practical way to defend against the vulnerability.
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However, this latest research demonstrated a new level of threat - where a USB device that appears completely empty can still contain malware, even when formatted.

The vulnerability can be used to hide attacks in any kind of USB-connected device - such as a smartphone.
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more: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28701124

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USB 'critically flawed' after bug discovery, researchers say (BBC) (Original Post) eppur_se_muova Aug 2014 OP
Ok, so everyone just throws out our current computers and starts over with a new standard? Electric Monk Aug 2014 #1
So phones can no longer be plugged into computers to charge villager Aug 2014 #2
How is this new? fujiyama Aug 2014 #3
Exactly 4b5f940728b232b034e4 Aug 2014 #4
Agree, this is how they hacked PS3. joshcryer Aug 2014 #9
The answer is with the manufacturers IDemo Aug 2014 #5
I've updated the firmware on both my keyboard and my mouse multiple times. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #7
So they left the factory with untested firmware IDemo Aug 2014 #8
Better response times, etc. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #10
OK, but for the vast number of peripherals, IDemo Aug 2014 #11
Printers wil occasionally require firmware updates, too. MohRokTah Aug 2014 #12
There is actually network software that will prevent the use of USB's. trumad Aug 2014 #6
So what do we do? mrsadm Aug 2014 #13
I have seen problems with USB's here in Korea davidpdx Aug 2014 #14
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
2. So phones can no longer be plugged into computers to charge
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:18 PM
Aug 2014

It seems virtually the whole digital network informing our lives... is compromised

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
3. How is this new?
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 06:42 PM
Aug 2014

Hasn't this been a known vulnerability for some time? It's not like the USB standard came out yesterday. It's been around for almost twenty years now.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
5. The answer is with the manufacturers
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 07:30 PM
Aug 2014

When was the last time you felt compelled to do a firmware upgrade on a USB stick or keyboard? Never? Me, neither. If the EEPROM chips used to store a USB device's firmware were replaced with good old fashioned write-once ROM memory, they couldn't be overwritten by malware.

Problem solved. Next?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
7. I've updated the firmware on both my keyboard and my mouse multiple times.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 08:23 PM
Aug 2014

Both are game devices, so updates are fairly consistent.

Drivers, too.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
8. So they left the factory with untested firmware
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 08:30 PM
Aug 2014

I haven't owned any gaming gear, but have worked in electronics R&D for nearly 20 years and have been responsible for installing and maintaining hundreds of test PC's. I have never needed to touch the firmware on any USB peripheral.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
10. Better response times, etc.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 08:38 PM
Aug 2014

They design better firmware for response in newer games.

The only gamer keyboards I've never had to update firmware on has been the mechanical keyboards, which I've found are far superior to the lower end gamer keyboards and mice.

I have a mouse with twelve buttons controlled by my thumb for use in MMORPGs. Firmware updates can be essential with some of the newer games. since my entire rotation is controlled by my thumb on my right hand.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
11. OK, but for the vast number of peripherals,
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 08:50 PM
Aug 2014

and let me emphasize, vast number, keyboards and mice are IO devices which have been around for a very long time and don't need exotic functions or response times. There is no reason that these items should require firmware updates. If for gaming or military USB devices such need exists, they can certainly continue to employ upgradeable firmware and be marked as vulnerable. But there is simply no reason for most items to continue to be left open to infections with re-writable controller memory. It's a trivial fix.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
12. Printers wil occasionally require firmware updates, too.
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 09:14 PM
Aug 2014

For the most part, though, you don't update firmware on USB devices.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
14. I have seen problems with USB's here in Korea
Sun Aug 10, 2014, 10:33 PM
Aug 2014

while teaching at universities. The computers in the classrooms are used by many different people who plug their memory sticks in to use files during class.

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