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RandySF

(58,823 posts)
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:28 AM Aug 2014

Hillary blames Obama for the rise of ISIS.

During a long and in-depth interview with the Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg, former secretary of state and likely future presidential candidate Hillary Clinton distanced herself from President Obama’s foreign policy, implying the Islamist extremist group ISIS would not be so powerful had the president listened to her advice and thrown American power more forcefully behind “moderate” Syrian rebel forces.

“The failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad — there were Islamists, there were secularists, there was everything in the middle — the failure to do that left a big vacuum, which the jihadists have now filled,” Clinton said.

Clinton was known at the time to support a larger American investment in the Syrian civil war, and reiterated her belief that not doing so was a mistake in her recently released book about her time as secretary of state, “Hard Choices.”

In addition to highlighting her differences with Obama on Syria, Clinton also subtly broke from the administration when discussing the ongoing war between Hamas and Israel, speaking in support of Israeli Prime Minister Bibi Netanyahu without chastising the IDF for not doing more to protect civilian lives, as Obama’s State Department has sometimes done.

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/10/illary_clinton_blames_rise_of_isis_on_obama_“failure”_to_intervene_in_syria_civil_war/

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Cha

(297,220 posts)
5. The link takes me to Salon and nothing about Hillary but I went to google and got it..
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:48 AM
Aug 2014
The likely future presidential candidate also argues criticism of Israeli actions in Gaza stem from anti-Semitism

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/10/illary_clinton_blames_rise_of_isis_on_obama_%E2%80%9Cfailure%E2%80%9D_to_intervene_in_syria_civil_war/

Thank you..

Mutiny In Heaven

(550 posts)
4. Craven politician ramps up the hawkish rhetoric
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:43 AM
Aug 2014

That's what this amounts to. She's a calculating character and she has calculated that the weathervane will be facing 'war at all costs' come 2016. There will be no nuanced foreign policy in a Clinton administration; it will have the jackhammer subtlety of the Cheney presidency we never officially had.

Cha

(297,220 posts)
7. That sounds like what she's calculating alright, MIH.. only I think once again
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:51 AM
Aug 2014

she's missing the boat. Wonder who's advising her this time?

I wanted to like Hillary, I did.. but, she's just pissing me off.

RandySF

(58,823 posts)
8. She's also not a very good politician.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 03:55 AM
Aug 2014

Everyone assumes that she possesses Bill's political skills, but she doesn't.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
9. So wasn't she advising him all this time while ISIS was developing?
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 05:51 AM
Aug 2014

I don't remember her mentioning it back then. No complaints or warnings? No threats to resign if you don't stop ISIS! Nothing. It must have slipped her mind.

Doesn't sound to me like someone who should be making decisions in the Oval Office.

- Does it?

K&R

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Johonny

(20,851 posts)
11. raise your hand if you voted for Iraq war... we all saw this in 2002-2003 Hillary
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 08:23 AM
Aug 2014

all but the hawks who wanted the Iraq war. So they can pretty much shut the * up. I'm sick of people that had no vision in 2002 telling me I didn't do enough-don't see exactly what I always knew would happen. Jesus can't these people just go away after saying I was totally wrong on Iraq and now I want to double down.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
12. I will never vote for Hillary Clinton
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 10:05 AM
Aug 2014

Craven, graceless.

Just what we DON'T need -- another armchair chickenhawk, cackling away while she sends other people's children to murder and die.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
15. The article twists her words. The USA military would have had to be the fighting force vs Assad.
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:27 PM
Aug 2014

At the cost of billions and many American (and millions of civies on the ground) lives. That "big vacuum" was always there.

With “respect to Syria,” said the president, the notion that arming the rebels would have made a difference has “always been a fantasy. This idea that we could provide some light arms or even more sophisticated arms to what was essentially an opposition made up of former doctors, farmers, pharmacists and so forth, and that they were going to be able to battle not only a well-armed state but also a well-armed state backed by Russia, backed by Iran, a battle-hardened Hezbollah, that was never in the cards.”

Even now, the president said (8/2014), the administration has difficulty finding, training and arming a sufficient cadre of secular Syrian rebels: “There’s not as much capacity as you would hope.”

The “broader point we need to stay focused on,” he added, “is what we have is a disaffected Sunni minority in the case of Iraq, a majority in the case of Syria, stretching from essentially Baghdad to Damascus. ... Unless we can give them a formula that speaks to the aspirations of that population, we are inevitably going to have problems. ... Unfortunately, there was a period of time where the Shia majority in Iraq didn’t fully understand that. They’re starting to understand it now. Unfortunately, we still have ISIL [the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant], which has, I think, very little appeal to ordinary Sunnis.” But “they’re filling a vacuum, and the question for us has to be not simply how we counteract them militarily but how are we going to speak to a Sunni majority in that area ... that, right now, is detached from the global economy.”




 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
16. I will never vote for her
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:30 PM
Aug 2014

She is a disgusting opportunist.

If she were elected, we'd have troops or weapons in every conflict region. No no no.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
17. She does know he's not running again in 2016, right?
Tue Aug 12, 2014, 12:31 PM
Aug 2014

She should be attack rw talking points and personas.

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