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MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 09:40 AM Aug 2014

A Felony Warrant Service in St. Paul, MN

Yesterday morning at about 5 AM, I was awakened by loud noises and the sound of breaking glass. My wife was already up and came into the bedroom to tell me that something was happening at the house almost across the street from ours. She said that she was afraid to look outside, because people were yelling, etc.

So, I got up, pulled on my jeans and headed to the living room for a peek. About 2 dozen cops were there, along with a SWAT wagon and numerous unmarked vehicles. Some of the police were in camos and were carrying AR-15 type weapons. The house's front window was broken, and there was a small amount of smoke. I suspect that one of the loud noises was a flash-bang going off inside the house.

Clearly, this was a pre-dawn warrant service raid on that house, which has been visited on more than one other occasion by groups of police officers. One of the occasional residents of the house has a warrant out on him for a long series of burglaries and armed robberies. He's there sometimes, and not there at other times. He is a decidedly unfriendly person, to say the least, so I have little to do with him. Apparently, he was staying there the previous night.

The regular residents of the house are always involved in some sort of questionable activities. The woman who owns the house is someone I've seen in ads for a "Gentleman's Club," and the house does get some short visits by cars at night that stay for about 30-45 minutes and then leave. The other regular resident is a guy in his late 20s who apparently does some sort of handyman work. I don't know. We don't snoop too closely on this neighbor's house. It's a worry, though, since the police seem to show up more frequently than my wife and I would prefer. They also have two large, noisy dogs.

Anyhow, I took my seat where I could watch the goings on. More cops showed up, including one State Police car. In and out of the house people went. K9 units arrived, and the dogs went in, too. Shortly, the two regular residents appeared, in handcuffs, outside, and the occasional resident, also in handcuffs, was loaded into a police car and taken away. A couple of hours passed. A tow truck came and hauled off two of the vehicles there, while leaving the handyman guy's pickup behind. The two regular residents were un-cuffed and released, and all of the cops left.

Nobody was shot. The dogs were not shot. They were led into the fenced backyard and released by the police. A window was broken and the kitchen door was kicked in. The handyman resident boarded up the front window and repaired the door so it could be closed. I haven't seen the woman who owns the house since the raid. Perhaps she is staying elsewhere for the time being. She wasn't arrested, though.

More than that I do not know. I'd like to see a For Sale sign on the house, but I doubt that will happen. I suppose the police will return there at some point. It's more than a little uncomfortable, really, but the St. Paul Police Department seems to handle these situations without any unnecessary violence or destruction. Fortunately, these things happen only once a year or so.

Life in the big city.

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A Felony Warrant Service in St. Paul, MN (Original Post) MineralMan Aug 2014 OP
K&R Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #1
What do you consider snooping closely? GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #2
Uh, looking up property records, MineralMan Aug 2014 #6
Flash bangs and breaking windows are way over unneccessary for serving a warrant. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #3
I think most police departments handle felony arrest warrants MineralMan Aug 2014 #7
And possession of drugs is also a felony in most places. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #8
What isn't justified? MineralMan Aug 2014 #12
Kicking open doors, flashbangs, smashing windows. NutmegYankee Aug 2014 #14
+1 Deliberately normalizing the unconscionable. woo me with science Aug 2014 #16
+1 Savannahmann Aug 2014 #17
+1 leftstreet Aug 2014 #21
Good points. cyberswede Aug 2014 #32
Yep. laundry_queen Aug 2014 #39
Cool story. Autumn Aug 2014 #4
And exactly how it happened. MineralMan Aug 2014 #5
Good thing no unarmed person walking down the street was shot by your police department. Autumn Aug 2014 #9
Nobody was shot. And nobody was walking down the street during MineralMan Aug 2014 #10
To me it seems like overkill to serve a warrant like that. Autumn Aug 2014 #11
On a guy who is a convicted armed robber? MineralMan Aug 2014 #13
They know where he's at, they know where he goes. They must be pretty lame if they tried and failed Autumn Aug 2014 #15
That sounds like the little town I used to live in. MineralMan Aug 2014 #18
We had a guy about a quarter of a mile across the way, the sheriff was out talking to us all Autumn Aug 2014 #19
Sounds like your Sheriff knew when to let others MineralMan Aug 2014 #20
We watched with binoculars. There was him and a lot of people walking around, some in suits. Autumn Aug 2014 #22
Sounds like the arrest across the street from me. MineralMan Aug 2014 #23
Has St Paul PD settled as yet with the innocent family they wrongfully detained in 2010 using Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #24
I don't know, actually. MineralMan Aug 2014 #25
If I lived there, the facts I posted would be the context in which I saw events such as the one you Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #26
Yes, it is just you. I gave an eyewitness account of MineralMan Aug 2014 #27
"the St. Paul Police Department seems to handle these situations without any unnecessary violence or Bluenorthwest Aug 2014 #33
Too bad you didn't bother checking your facts BainsBane Aug 2014 #41
If you lived in St. Paul BainsBane Aug 2014 #40
And? Why post this in GD? morningfog Aug 2014 #28
Because I thought it might interest people? MineralMan Aug 2014 #29
Not even on the local news...not GD material. morningfog Aug 2014 #30
GD is full of personal accounts of things. MineralMan Aug 2014 #31
Is this really the right time for a cop appreciation thread? leftstreet Aug 2014 #34
It's not a cop appreciation thread. MineralMan Aug 2014 #35
Sounds like the neighborhood sarisataka Aug 2014 #36
I also live on the East Side, but further East, near MineralMan Aug 2014 #37
I finally had enough sarisataka Aug 2014 #38

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
6. Uh, looking up property records,
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:46 AM
Aug 2014

and sticking my nose in my neighbor's business. That would be snooping closely.

They live there. The cops come to that house sometimes. When they do, I watch what's going on. I don't consider that snooping. I don't know their names. The big window in my living room faces their house. If I'm sitting in the living room, I see what's happening outside. That's not snooping.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
3. Flash bangs and breaking windows are way over unneccessary for serving a warrant.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:34 AM
Aug 2014

All that is required is to knock on the door. Anything else is unnecessary violence and destruction.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
7. I think most police departments handle felony arrest warrants
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:46 AM
Aug 2014

differently from other warrants. Armed robbery is a pretty serious offense.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
14. Kicking open doors, flashbangs, smashing windows.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:01 AM
Aug 2014

Absolutely not justified. SWAT tactics were not meant for serving warrants. Our acceptance of this unacceptable behavior over the years is why the thugs in Ferguson can terrorisze the population with military arms and equipment over peaceful protests.

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
16. +1 Deliberately normalizing the unconscionable.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:12 AM
Aug 2014

Last edited Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:17 PM - Edit history (3)


I call those sorts of posts, "Third Way Blase."

cyberswede

(26,117 posts)
32. Good points.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:15 PM
Aug 2014

I hadn't thought of it that way before. I've only seen events like that on tv, and the description seemed kinda routine. I'll rethink that.

Autumn

(45,064 posts)
9. Good thing no unarmed person walking down the street was shot by your police department.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:50 AM
Aug 2014

That would have sucked. I could never live in the city.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
10. Nobody was shot. And nobody was walking down the street during
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:54 AM
Aug 2014

this. A few neighbors were out in their yards watching, though. I stayed indoors and watched through my front window, which faces that house. Police shootings are rare in this city, although a few have occurred in the 10 years I've lived here. All of the ones I remember happened when someone shot at a cop. I do not remember any shootings of unarmed people in St. Paul in that time, although I might have forgotten.

We did have a police officer killed recently in the neighboring city when he approached a car he had pulled over. The funeral was last week. The shooter has been charged with 1st degree murder.

Stuff happens. Different places; different police departments.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
13. On a guy who is a convicted armed robber?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 10:59 AM
Aug 2014

Really? They've tried to arrest this guy before at that house. How would you arrest him?

Autumn

(45,064 posts)
15. They know where he's at, they know where he goes. They must be pretty lame if they tried and failed
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:06 AM
Aug 2014

to arrest him already at that same place. of course we out here are lucky enough to have a small Sheriffs department that will come to neighbors and ask questions about any one in the area that they may be looking for. They work with the community.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
18. That sounds like the little town I used to live in.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:20 AM
Aug 2014

Now I live in Minnesota's state capital and second largest city. Rather different than where I used to live.

I like small towns and rural communities. I also like living in a large city. Both are interesting, in different ways.

If the St. Paul police came to my house to ask if this particular person was in the house across the street, I wouldn't have any way to know. I don't work in my living room. Unless I had just seen him come in, I wouldn't know if he were there or not. This is the first time they've actually found him there. He was there once when they came, but slipped out the back, over the neighbor's fence and didn't get arrested that time.

I'm not sure exactly what the arrest warrant was for, nor what was in the warrant. None of my business. Now the guy has been arrested, and nobody was hurt in the process. I'm not sure what a better result might be, unless it would be for the woman who owns the house to sell it and move to some other neighborhood. That would be a great result. That's the only house that attracts police attention in the immediate neighborhood. Otherwise, it's a very nice family neighborhood, full of nice people and children.

Autumn

(45,064 posts)
19. We had a guy about a quarter of a mile across the way, the sheriff was out talking to us all
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:28 AM
Aug 2014

and asking question. When the ATF raid came and 20 black SUVs went down the drive we all knew what was going on. Except him. Our sheriff just stayed parked across the drive, we took him over some coffee since it was a long morning.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
20. Sounds like your Sheriff knew when to let others
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:31 AM
Aug 2014

handle things. Like I said, small towns and rural communities are different from urban cities. The St. Paul PD exercises a lot of restraint in this kind of thing. Was this pre-dawn arrest thing overkill? I don't know. For all I know, the guy they arrested had done something new and heinous. I can certainly imagine such a thing happening. He's a bad actor all around.

Autumn

(45,064 posts)
22. We watched with binoculars. There was him and a lot of people walking around, some in suits.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:34 AM
Aug 2014

No acting crazy, just him sitting on the ground in cuffs.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
23. Sounds like the arrest across the street from me.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:42 AM
Aug 2014

The guy was also sitting on the ground in cuffs. The cops were searching the house, cars, and garage after the arrest. They seized two cars, one of which was in the garage. It was one I had never seen before in connection with that house. Could be stolen, I suppose and kept hidden for some reason. Could be anything.

I'm not sure what goes on over there, really. The nighttime traffic could have to do with prostitution, or it could have to do with drugs. Since they had two dogs on scene, I'm guessing drugs. The dogs were in the house for a long time. Still, the woman who owns the house and the handyman guy weren't arrested. They were cuffed and detained during the search, though.

This won't make the daily paper unless there's some major crime connection, so I'll just have to guess, I suppose. My wife suggested we get a realtor's "For Sale" sign and put it in the yard in the middle of the night. She was just joking, of course, although we'd like to see such a sign there, and so would all of the rest of the neighbors.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
24. Has St Paul PD settled as yet with the innocent family they wrongfully detained in 2010 using
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 11:44 AM
Aug 2014

similar methods? They shot the family dog, handcuffed the children and made them sit by their dead dog for hours, among other things. How did all of that play out?
St Paul's Gang Strike Force was disbanded in 2011 when a State audit could not account for 13 vehicles and $18,000 cash, which seems to have been used by cops to attend a conference in Hawaii.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
26. If I lived there, the facts I posted would be the context in which I saw events such as the one you
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:00 PM
Aug 2014

witnessed and would be included in any promotional presentation on the excellence of that police force I might feel moved to share with others. But that's just me. Disbanded 'Gang Strike Force', handcuffed kids and dead dogs, people kicked on the streets are things that would enter my mind when I saw any other police action, and I would not be offering large doses of benefit of the doubt to a group that has been shown to be corrupt and inept as well as violent.
Again, that's just me.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
27. Yes, it is just you. I gave an eyewitness account of
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:01 PM
Aug 2014

something that happened across the street from my home. It is what I observed. Thanks for your reply.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
33. "the St. Paul Police Department seems to handle these situations without any unnecessary violence or
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:16 PM
Aug 2014

destruction."
That is the conclusion you arrived at in your OP. It is what it is.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
41. Too bad you didn't bother checking your facts
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:44 AM
Aug 2014

and figured out the unit you were talking about wasn't a St. Paul force. But then, it is what it is, and you are who you are.

BainsBane

(53,031 posts)
40. If you lived in St. Paul
Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:24 AM
Aug 2014

You'd be damned relieved you didn't have the Minneapolis police.
The Gang Strike Force was a joint venture for the entire Metro area. http://www.startribune.com/local/79103432.html
It was not run by the St. Paul police. Most of the shit they did was in North Minneapolis and Brooklyn Park. I'd like to know where exactly that video you have was taken.

As of two years ago, 96 victims had received settlements. http://www.startribune.com/local/165028086.html
That unit was entirely in keeping with the culture of the Minneapolis police force. From all accounts, the St. Paul police are a world apart and much better. Minneapolis has one of he most corrupt, racist, and worthelss police forces in the country. The FBI are continually investigating them.
(You of course could have found that by quickly Googling, if you had actually interested).

The Gang Strike Force inspired a new law, basically saying the cops just can't take your stuff because they feel like it.
http://www.startribune.com/local/260545531.html

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
29. Because I thought it might interest people?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:08 PM
Aug 2014

That's why I post anything on GD. It's not usual that I witness something like this, and it's not something that will make the news, even locally. I found it interesting, and thought others might, as well.

It's also an example of the police doing their job without harming anyone. That happens too, but rarely makes the news.

If it doesn't interest you, then you can click on other threads, I'm certain. Lots of threads in GD don't interest me, either.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
30. Not even on the local news...not GD material.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:12 PM
Aug 2014

I clicked on it because I thought it may have been an important story from the headline. Nope. Just one guy's gander from his front porch.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
31. GD is full of personal accounts of things.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:14 PM
Aug 2014

General Discussion. I described a current event. You're welcome to alert on my OP on SOP grounds, though. The hosts will decide whether it fits the GD SOP.

In fact, I encourage you to do just that.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
35. It's not a cop appreciation thread.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:20 PM
Aug 2014

It's reporting an event in my city. Cops behave differently in different places and under different conditions.

As for the cops in Ferguson, MO, I'm very glad to hear that the Governor of that state is shutting that police force down and replacing it with other people on at least a temporary basis. That PD is behaving extremely badly and needs to be shut down and thoroughly investigated by state and federal authorities.

I judge the actions of police by their specific actions in specific incidents. I'm not a person who applies a broad brush to any group. I never will be.

sarisataka

(18,631 posts)
36. Sounds like the neighborhood
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:59 PM
Aug 2014

I lived until last year; only difference is around Payne we saw these type arrests more often.

Through there repeated visits I came to know more than a few SPPD officers. For the most part they are professional, care about the community and try to enforce the laws equally regardless of demographics. Are they perfect- no, are there a few jackasses who probably shouldn't be cops- yes.

Compare and contrast with Minneapolis and all the issues they have had, repeatedly, over the years with race issues.

A police force can be run professionally. I don't expect perfect, they are humans after all. What I do expect is accountability when they fall short.

sarisataka

(18,631 posts)
38. I finally had enough
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:07 PM
Aug 2014

and moved to NSP.

Actually the crime was less a factor than the hurt remembering what the neighborhood was like when I was a child. It was a tight knit place where everyone knew everyone else and watched out for each other. Now no one cares for anyone but themselves. Community building events were effective unril the event was over; next day it was like nothing happened.

We tried also to get a neighborhood watch going. Four households actually participated but suffered regular vandalism in return.

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