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New Witness, New Video in Michael Brown Shooting
A new witness to Michael Brown’s shooting has emerged—and she’s also got new amateur video from Saturday in Ferguson. Her account of what happened corroborates what Dorian Johnson says he saw on Saturday.
Tiffany Mitchell told KMOV News 4 that she saw an officer inside a police vehicle wrestling with Brown through the car’s window before a shot rang out. That’s when she says that Brown began running away. Mitchell says the officer fired again and Brown raised his hands in the air before being fired upon until he was killed.
“The cop just continues walk up on him and shoot him until he goes all the way down,” she recalls. Mitchell also has new video, taken from her cell phone.......
http://colorlines.com/archives/2014/08/new_video_witness_in_michael_brown_shooting.html
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leftyohiolib
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NutmegYankee
(16,201 posts)The penalty is usually a beating or death. Here's to hoping this pig goes down for 20 to life.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They haven't interviewed any of the eye-witnesses. The video will be damning.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)They turned it over to St. Louis County.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)... was Ferguson PD. That same PD is covering up the murder, no matter who investigates.
procon
(15,805 posts)
I'm sure they will do a bang up job in telling us their own special truth.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)
n2doc
(47,953 posts)They are trying to say Brown beat up the cop now. Haven't seen the video but if it is real, then more than this cop need to go to jail, for obstruction at the very least.
It is clear the cops will make up any story to try and make themselves look like victims.
Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)I guess he'll heal before we get a chance to see him.
n2doc
(47,953 posts)It is a RW source, but that is where they would go first, anyway. Might not be the cops story at the moment, but would not be at all surprised given that the first response by the Police Chief was to say that Brown was trying to grab the cop's gun while inside the cop car. That also has been debunked.
tblue37
(65,483 posts)was wrestling the cop for his gun after having shoved the cop back into his police car.
That was always an obvious BS cover-up, but they get away with such crap all the time, so they assumed they would get away with it again--and, of course, they still might, since even when video and eyewitness reports show that the cops have brutalized or murdered innocent, unarmed citizens, nothing ever happens to them.
Even on those rare occasions when someone wins a civil suit for excessive force, the police department and the guilty cops are not the ones who pay the settlement--the taxpayers do, which means that the victims or their families are paying part of the settlement, too.
DAs don't want to antagonize the cops they depend on for evidence that enables them to win their cases and get further along in their careers; and in some of these trials, the citizens on the juries don't want to suffer retaliation from police departments if they vote to convict guilty cops, while in other trials, the juries themselves are just as racist as the cops and therefore perfectly willing to allow them to continue their reign of terror against people of color and their and communities.
Until this country faces up to the reality that black and brown people have always been victims of police brutality, and that this sort of brutality has now begun to be practiced against anyone and everyone, nothing will change.
For two reasons we have some slight chance now of changing the pervasive violence visited by police against citizens:
(1) now the cops are so out of control that they are attacking whites, too--and often not just poor whites, but even middle-class whites, including some who have the wherewithal to fight back with good lawyers and civil suits.
(2) the ubiquity of video cameras and the ease with which the internet allows the wide dissemination of those videos means that people who in the past could simply remain unaware of how the police behave are now having this noses rubbed the ugly reality.
One of the main turning points in the Civil Rights movement occurred when national news programs began to show films of the way cops down south were attacking peaceful protest marches. Nice, well-behaved people dressed in their best clothes, accompanied by their little children and by elderly members of their families and their communities, were viciously attacked, with no provocation at all, by gangs of cops on horseback, police dogs, and firehoses. I was a child when those films started showing up on TV, and I remember them vividly. I also remember hearing adults talk about what they had seen, and their change in attitude was pronounced. Even those I knew to be racist were horrified at what they were seeing. Adults whom I had heard criticizing nonviolent black protesters suddenly became much more sympathetic to their plight.
I am hoping that eventually we will see some pushback by Americans against the way our police forces have been turned into a brutal occupying army. I am also hoping more people will now realize that for people of color, police forces have always acted as a brutal occupying army.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Hey.... it worked for George!
Cha
(297,595 posts)
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)Jesus Christ an execution in the street.
winstars
(4,220 posts)as Brown runs away and then shoots Brown again in the chest after he turns around.
Shot him 3 (three) different times???
If thats what happened, no wonder why they are afraid to release his name. What utter BS!!!
WTF!
Blus4u
(608 posts)according to Brown's friend, the cop pulled up beside them and they approached the car, words were exchanged, and the cop got angry and tried to come out of the car. His door bounced back on him because they were so close and they probably laughed at him.
(remember I said this is what I think happened)
When they laughed, the cop gets really pissed and draws his weapon off his right hip and presents it through the window of the driver's door.
Now, if you are 1, maybe 2 feet from a pistol pointed at your stomach - and have nothing to protect you except your hands, DON'T YOU FUCKIN' THINK YOU MIGHT TRY TO GRAB, PUSH, MOVE, DEFLECT THAT GUN SOMEWAY. Hell, you would probably do it without even thinking, just out of reflex. And during that reflex event and ensuing grapple, the first shot went off. Brown is hit and the kids split.
At this point the cop could have "Barney Fife'd" his way out of it, but no, he chases him down the street and shoots him in the back, prompting Brown's attempt at surrender. The execution then ensues.
This may not have been murder with the first shot, but it sure seems it was by the last
Remember, this is what I think happened.
Peace
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)To use their guns properly, there's no way in hell I trust the untrained open carry idiots to use their guns properly.
randys1
(16,286 posts)have them we are not safe
riqster
(13,986 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The 'T' word is thrown around a lot, but I think it's appropriate in this case.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Dayum!
And they wouldn't even TALK to the witness that was with Brown the day the cop murdered him! And now his story is corroborated with VIDEO!
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If it had been collected as 'evidence' at the time of the event, it might have 'gotten lost' before it could be examined.
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)He was walking with Mike Johnson when he was murdered. Wow, this kid has his head on straight. Clear headed, calm and with a complete command of exactly what happened. He was able to walk through it, explaining it in a way that was very easy for someone who was not there to understand.
I know it's fashionable in the MSM to demonize black youth in this country but this was a great example of why that is a fallacy. I feel terrible for him that he had to witness his friend's death, but he may be a major player in assuring this cop is brought to justice.
Lars39
(26,112 posts)I'm really hoping he stays safely out of the way so he can testify and put that cop in prison.
LordGlenconner
(1,348 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)That sounds like second-degree murder to me.
If I were that woman I would get the hell out of Dodge, make copies of the video, distribute them and hide.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)If after the car altercation, the kid ran, but then stopped with his hands in the air, the cop had to have intent to kill him. He had to know right from wrong at that point.
I know a cop will never be convicted of that, or even second degree murder, but premeditation had to be there once the kid stopped with his hands in the air.
Solomon
(12,319 posts)that the murder was unjustified, people start trying to frame it as manslaughter, second degree, etc. Really Pisses me off. I guess there's no such thing as murder when a white guy kills a black guy. There's always some mitigating circumstance to keep it from going down like it really was. First degree murder.
Logical
(22,457 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The simple description tells me that at the very least second degree murder charges should be filed ASAP. First degree can always be added later.
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)this looks like second degree murder. If we later find out they were looking for the guy to kill him, then first degree might fit.
freebrew
(1,917 posts)and here in MO, killing a cop is 1st degree. Regardless of premeditation.
Execution, looking into his face, hands in the air by a 'trained' officer that DOES know better, easily should be 1st degree.
Missouri still executes people in Jefferson City. Lots of times, the wrong people on flimsy circumstantial evidence.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)
redqueen
(115,103 posts)There needs to be a full scale investigation followed by several police men going to jail for a long time.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The accepted procedure is to interview all witnesses as quickly as possible to get their description of events while it is freshest in their minds. That didn't happen here which poses some serious questions.
There can be little doubt that an attempt has been made to protect the shooter. The police are trying, behind the scenes, to come up with a plausible defense for the killer. By not interviewing witnesses yet, they can later attempt to direct witnesses to the storyline they want. They can tell the witnesses that their memories have faded, etc.
The defense counsel can also use this failure to quickly question the witnesses as part of the defense, as perverse as that may sound.
JEB
(4,748 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)If he was pulling Brown into the vehicle, through the window, and Brown was resisting (pushing away from the vehicle) and then the cop pulled his gun on him, it is very possible that Brown tried to defend himself from the gun by trying to push it away from aiming at him, or even push the officer in the face in his attempt to free himself. It's probably what any one would do with a gun pointing at them and an angry cop holding that gun while wrestling with him. I'm sure it's what I would do.
Just because the officer has facial bruises (if true) it doesn't mean he wasn't the one responsible for the entire altercation.
This whole thing just makes me sick. Especially the words of the police chief, who make it obvious he is siding with the officer. And I am so proud of this community, standing up against the tanks and guns with arms raised in the air "don't shoot me". What an amazing scene that is. What courage these people have. I wish I was there to protest with them.
uponit7771
(90,359 posts)... brown was going to called ... vs being suspended for being late a couple of times (conservatives justification for a murdered child)
ReRe
(10,597 posts)Where WAS the cop BEFORE he came upon Mike Brown and his friend in the middle of the street? Maybe the cop got his head bashed in somewhere else and that was why he had a swelled head, and may have had a baring on his MOOD when he came upon Brown and friend. He was pissed and took out his aggression on Mike Brown?
Another question I have is this: If Mike Brown was the person who stole the cigars a short while before he had the misfortune of meeting up with the crazy cop, then what happened to the cigars? Aren't all cigars packaged in clear cellophane wrapping? If they were "found" in his pocket, wouldn't his prints be all over them? And if his prints are not on them, wouldn't this mean that he did not place them there?
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)
ksoze
(2,068 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)These cops are so fucked...they executed a kid in the middle of the street! So when does the footage from the squad car get released...or will it be erased first?
Ferguson PD sounds like a hotbed of corruption.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)If so, then where is it for that particular car on that particular night?
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)so, no, there will be no police provided video/audio of the incident.
Rex
(65,616 posts)For the safety of the cop as we as the person they pull over etc..
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)In Ferguson, they have some but have not installed them in any vehicles yet. I wonder why?
Cha
(297,595 posts)running for his life! 
"Mitchell has been dealing with the trauma of witnessing Brown’s shooting and says that she cries herself to sleep as a result of what she saw." Little sweetheart~ 
countryjake
(8,554 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)The convenince store "strong arm robbery" crap is enough for reasonable doubt on shot 1 and maybe shot 2, but definitely is not enough for the 6-8 shots while Brown had his hands in the air.
So they'll paint this poor brave woman out to be a criminal now. She must be smeared to protect their murderous thug of a cop.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)that should be very evident from the forensics. If the autopsy backs up this witness account, the cop should be toast.
