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Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:58 PM Aug 2014

Do we need a bigger Congress?

Was contemplating today's pic of the day and it got me wondering about relative individual leverage in Congress today versus 100 years ago. Using Wisconsin as an example (for no real reason other than it is and was a mid-sized state), here's what things are, and were:

Population of Wisconsin in 2010: 5,686,986
Number of WI Representatives: 8
Constituents per representative: 710,873

Population of Wisconsin in 1910: 2,333,860
Number of WI Representatives: 11
Constituents per representative: 212,169

You gotta wonder (or I do, anyway): would more reps, responsible to fewer voters, actually fix anything?

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Do we need a bigger Congress? (Original Post) Proud Public Servant Aug 2014 OP
Size is not the issue. Skidmore Aug 2014 #1
No, but leverage is the issue Proud Public Servant Aug 2014 #4
I think less would get done Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #11
Interesting. oldandhappy Aug 2014 #2
We definitely don't need more of the same. Brigid Aug 2014 #3
Adding more cooks to the kitchen The2ndWheel Aug 2014 #5
We need quality, not quantity. get corporate money out of elections n/t LadyHawkAZ Aug 2014 #6
A larger number would be unmanageable frazzled Aug 2014 #7
Yes, we do. former9thward Aug 2014 #8
If we kept it at 30,000 constituents per rep frazzled Aug 2014 #10
I have no problem with that. former9thward Aug 2014 #12
Would only dilute our influence (dollars) further. Orsino Aug 2014 #9

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
4. No, but leverage is the issue
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:04 PM
Aug 2014

Would smaller/less populous congressional districts would have more leverage over their reps? That's what I wonder.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
11. I think less would get done
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:28 PM
Aug 2014

I think most senators are somewhat in the middle ground. They need to win a state. If they are too far to the left or right they cant win.

Since the house represents small districts they can be a lot more radical since they just need to win a small district. In a lot of districts they run unopposed so there is often no need to take the middle ground.

Smaller districts might make this worse.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
2. Interesting.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:04 PM
Aug 2014

I have been wanting to cut it all in half and pay per diem. But your idea is worth considering. Right now lobby folk run the country.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
3. We definitely don't need more of the same.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:04 PM
Aug 2014

Most of them don't care a plug nickel for their constituents anyway.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
7. A larger number would be unmanageable
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:09 PM
Aug 2014

It's natural that there are fewer today, because as population continues to grow, the Congress would end up with like 800 or 1000 members--something I think we could all agree would be fairly dysfunctional (as if it isn't already):

Based on the 1787 national population, each House Member in the First Federal Congress (1789–1791) represented 30,000 citizens. As U.S. territory expanded and the population grew, the Membership of House of Representatives increased and individual Members’ constituencies were enlarged.

http://history.house.gov/Institution/Apportionment/Apportionment/


Funny you should pick 1910--because that was the year before measures were enacted to cap the number of representatives (at 433 then; and then the 1913-15 Congress changed it to 435 because of New Mexico and Arizona being admitted to the Union).

In order to keep the House at a manageable number, Congress twice set the size of the House at 435 voting Members—the then-existing number of Representatives. In 1911, Congress designated the number of Representatives to be 433, with provisions made for two additional Members when Arizona and New Mexico were admitted to the Union (see Act of August 8, 1911, ch. 5, 37 Stat 13). The 63rd Congress (1913–1915) was the first to have 435 Members. The Permanent Apportionment Act of 1929 capped the Membership at that level, creating a procedure for reapportioning state delegations in the House under “the then existing number of Representatives” (see Act of June 18, 1929, ch. 28, 46 Stat 21).

The total membership of the House of Representatives is 441 Members. There are 435 Representatives from the 50 states. In addition, five, non-voting Delegates represent the District of Columbia and the U.S. territories of Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands, the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa. A non-voting Resident Commissioner, serving a four-year term, represents the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

http://history.house.gov/Institution/Apportionment/Determining-Apportionment/

former9thward

(32,004 posts)
8. Yes, we do.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:11 PM
Aug 2014

The Constitution gives a minimum of 30,000 people per representative and I think that should be close to the maximum. The average district has about 750,000 people. It costs a fortune to campaign in a district that big. It means that when someone is elected they have to be on the phone soliciting contributions from day one until the election. They have little time to actually govern. A smaller size would be much more manageable and far cheaper to campaign in.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
10. If we kept it at 30,000 constituents per rep
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:22 PM
Aug 2014

Today's Congress would have 10,630 members!! (That's a population of 318,892,103 divided by 30,000.)

In 1790 the US population was 3,929,214 (which would have meant about 130 representatives in Congress). It's 100 times that now.

former9thward

(32,004 posts)
12. I have no problem with that.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:05 PM
Aug 2014

With modern technology meetings could be tele-conferenced. There is no reason Congress has to meet in DC. Nothing in the Constitution says that. Either that or break up the country. We have become too big to govern.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
9. Would only dilute our influence (dollars) further.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:17 PM
Aug 2014

We need laws and a Constitution that could keep the goddamned money out.

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