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Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:44 AM

 

[AUDIO] Witness comments contradict Dorian Johnson, claim Brown was coming at Wilson

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727321/Conversation-recorded-bystander-just-moments-Michael-Brown-shooting-casts-doubt-claims-teen-surrendered-Officer-Darren-Wilson.html





Conversation recorded by bystander just moments after Michael Brown shooting casts doubt on claims the teen surrendered to Officer Darren Wilson

Instead of Brown being fired on while his hands were raised in surrender, the witness claims that Brown was moving towards the officer when he was shot.

While this version of events does not match most of the eyewitness accounts, it does seem to tally up in a small part with the account of what occurred given by a friend of Wilson.


CAUGHT ON CAMERA: THE SNIPPET OF CONVERSATION BETWEEN EYEWITNESS AND MAN THAT COULD PROVE VITAL

Begins at 6:28/6:29 of video

Man 1: 'How’d he get from there to there?'

Eyewitness: 'Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck'

Eyewitness: 'But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him'

Eyewitness: 'Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him'

Man 1: 'Oh, the police got his gun'

Eyewitness: 'The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him(crosstalk)'

Eyewitness: 'Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing'

Man 1: 'The Police?'

Eyewitness: 'The Police shot him'

Man 1: 'Police?'

Eyewitness: 'The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … then something about he took it from him'

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Reply [AUDIO] Witness comments contradict Dorian Johnson, claim Brown was coming at Wilson (Original post)
Michigander_Life Aug 2014 OP
Beaverhausen Aug 2014 #1
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #3
YarnAddict Aug 2014 #41
Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #7
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #9
Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #10
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #12
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #14
Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #21
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #22
Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #24
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #25
Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #26
BklnDem75 Aug 2014 #20
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #23
uponit7771 Aug 2014 #33
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #2
Tsiyu Aug 2014 #4
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #5
Tsiyu Aug 2014 #8
JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #36
VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #27
Tsiyu Aug 2014 #38
BklnDem75 Aug 2014 #6
SaltyBro Aug 2014 #15
BklnDem75 Aug 2014 #16
NM_Birder Aug 2014 #11
Post removed Aug 2014 #17
NM_Birder Aug 2014 #30
mmonk Aug 2014 #13
MohRokTah Aug 2014 #18
Michigander_Life Aug 2014 #28
Nye Bevan Aug 2014 #19
Rex Aug 2014 #31
Oilwellian Aug 2014 #29
Rex Aug 2014 #32
Oilwellian Aug 2014 #40
leftynyc Aug 2014 #34
JustAnotherGen Aug 2014 #37
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #35
killbotfactory Aug 2014 #39

Response to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:46 AM

1. So a friend of Wilson has given an account of what happened?

And we should believe that account why?

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:49 AM

3. Don't buy the OP's interpretation.

 

In the context, the cop kept coming towards Brown.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:46 AM

41. Then, what does "doubled back" refer to? n/t

 

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Response to Beaverhausen (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:58 AM

7. The audio is from an eyewitness of the shooting

 

It just happens to match the self-serving statement of Wilson's friend.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:01 AM

9. No, it doesn't. In fact, it says the OPPOSITE

 

The cop kept moving towards Brown.

That is what your eyewitness said.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:06 AM

10. That isn't what he said

 

It said he (Brown) was in the car and then ran. It says Wilson chases him with his gun out. It says Brown doubled back toward Wilson. It says Wilson shot - and kept shooting - but Brown kept coming.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:08 AM

12. Nope, it does not say that at all

 

"he kept coming at him" clearly is the cop kept coming at Brown.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:10 AM

14. FULL CONTEXT

 

'The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him


In that context, "he" can only be the cop and "him" can only be Brown. Brown is always referred to as "him"

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:17 AM

21. Full full context

 

Man 1: 'How’d he get from there to there?'

Eyewitness: 'Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck'

Eyewitness: 'But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him'

Eyewitness: 'Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him'

Man 1: 'Oh, the police got his gun'

Eyewitness: 'The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him(crosstalk)'

Eyewitness: 'Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing'

Man 1: 'The Police?'

Eyewitness: 'The Police shot him'

Man 1: 'Police?'

Eyewitness: 'The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … then something about he took it from him'



Dude, through the entire conversation the witness refers to Wilson as "the police" and Brown as "he" -- not once does he refer to Wilson as "he" -- why would the context switch in this one sentence?

You're not helping by spreading false information.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:19 AM

22. Dude, you've been caught out.

 

We understand. Really, we do.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:20 AM

24. Wow.

 

I think Mike Brown was murdered as is clear in my posting history here. But twisting facts around will not help us. I'm not sure why you refuse to acknowledge the full context. I'm still waiting on your response.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:21 AM

25. Oh I've seen your posting history

 

Very clear indeed.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:22 AM

26. Quoting myself

 

I think Brown was on his knees and executed.


Still waiting on you to address the full context.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:17 AM

20. He doesn't say Brown was in the car...

He says the cop was still in the car while Michael was running. Doubling back doesn't mean he was still running, it only means he turned around, possibly slowly making his way towards the officer with hands up in surrender. You're reading the witness completely wrong.

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Response to BklnDem75 (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:20 AM

23. He's doing so purposely.

 

This is the OP's second thread trying to say Brown was charging Wilson in direct contradiction of all eyewitness stories, including this eyewitness story.

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Response to BklnDem75 (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:30 AM

33. Yeap...

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Response to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:48 AM

2. Bullshit

 

" but he kept coming toward him" in the context of what he was saying, the cop kept coming toward Brown.

You still ahve time to delete this, but I'll remember your handle for any future posts.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:54 AM

4. This is my thought as well

People keep repeating this background conversation all over the internet, but they could mean the officer coming at Brown - the "he" is unclear as to just whom the conversation is referencing.

But some people will use any excuse to justify the shooting. They want it all sewn up so they can go back to their happy little racist lives and believe Brown deserved it and all cops are just peaches and would never kill out of spite, rage, irrational fear or bigotry.

It's pretty sickening. "As long as I can have my happy little world view, who cares who gets killed?"

There is a disturbance in the force - they must have it all make sense, even if it doesn't.

And, on edit: reading some of the posts at other sites, I had no idea how many racists are out there. The US is chock full of them. And they are having happy dances over Brown's death.

Sick. Sick. Sick.


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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:57 AM

5. All we can do is take note and watch.

 

I just take note of who posts what just for future reference.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:58 AM

8. Yes, we can

Yours is a good strategy.


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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:33 AM

36. Thank you MohRokTah

For your links and updates and bead on this case. I see the same thing you do.

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Response to Tsiyu (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:25 AM

27. As one of my Socialist friends remarked, "It doesn't take much to

 

unmask the white supremacy." I have been utterly appalled and disgusted by some of the comments on other sites I have happened upon. "Sick" doesn't even begin to cover it, imo.

As long as the masses in Ferguson display fortitude and courage, however, people are not going to able to "go back to their happy little racist lives." The masses in Ferguson (and the grace of Mr. Brown's parents) are teaching this country a lesson right now. I wish I could be with them physically, but for now can only lend moral support given my location on the West Coast.

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Response to VanGoghRocks (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:35 AM

38. It was the standard "I'll wait for the evidence"

A few packs of cigarellos was all the evidence they needed, apparently.

"Well, he was big and black-skinned and he STOLE something!"

That's all you need to be executed in America today.

Not to mention that he probably paid for the rellos anyway, and that the altercation with the store clerk was over in seconds and the store clerk was blocking Brown's way out of the store, not the other way around.

But, but...he was BIG and BROWN-SKINNED and he had those CIGARELLOS!

Like you said, "sick" doesn't even begin to cover it.

If he hadn't had the altercation at the store, they'd say it was because of pot smoking, or because he mouthed off to the cop, or any of a long list of unforgivable-sins-to-commit-while-black the racists must carry, which specifies the many situations in which one is perfectly justified in executing a brown-skinned person.

Lots of racists appear to wish they'd been the shooter here, I can see it so clearly. Wilson did it for THEM and they love him for it.



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Response to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:58 AM

6. Not sure how that sounds like he was charging

He said Brown was coming back towards the police. It's consistent with the other witnesses claiming he turned around with his hands up. Sounds like Tucker Carlson's Daily Mail made an assumption.

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Response to BklnDem75 (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:10 AM

15. Carlson runs the rag called Daily Caller

This is a rag from England.

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Response to SaltyBro (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:12 AM

16. You're right

I keep confusing the rags.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:07 AM

11. it sounds like a bunch of crowd speculation to me.

 


I didn't hear anything in the video except a bunch of people talking about what happened ......... but didn't actually see what happened.
Sounds more like crowd gossip, won't prove anything.

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Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:29 AM

30. To be fair, I think most people are stirring shit and speculating.

 

Every possible scenario is being given the weight of fact, and it's ignorant to do so.

There are no "facts" about what happened, it's all speculation based on personal interpretation of what the news is reporting, and I'm sorry but the news is no more reliable this week than it has been before this happened.

"executed", "executed gangland style", "murderer", "murdered in cold blood" ...... and the single greatest baloney comment that is being thrown around ...."proves".......

Nothing is "proven", there are no "facts" at this point ........except the "fact" that Brown is dead. It's embarrassing to read the level of speculation that is splattered around, to allow the self important to feel involved.

I'm sure this will go over like a fart in church,............. but I think it's best to wait and see what actually happened.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:09 AM

13. It also contradicts 4 unrelated witnesses there who's account is like Johnson's.

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Response to mmonk (Reply #13)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:14 AM

18. It actually confirms those 4 witnesses account.

 

'The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him


Every instance of the word "him" refers to Brown.

Every instance of the word "he" refers to Wilson.

It's clear, right there, in the transcript.

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Response to MohRokTah (Reply #18)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:27 AM

28. Incorrect

 

The witness refers to Wilson throughout as the police and Brown as "he"

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Response to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:15 AM

19. "The police kept missing".

My guess is, he wasn't "missing" (would a cop really be such an incompetent shooter?) but that these were the shots going into Brown's arm.

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Response to Nye Bevan (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:29 AM

31. I wonder instead of Brown voluntarily turning around, if the bullets to the arm spun him around

 

just in time for the cop to double tap him in the head?

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Response to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:28 AM

29. Please show me where in the video it specifically states...

"Brown was coming at Wilson."

I did find it interesting to hear the witness state Wilson ran after shooting Brown. That explains why the police car is not part of the crime scene.

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Response to Oilwellian (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:30 AM

32. Yeah, most murder suspects don't get a free pass by the PD

 

to skip town. Guess you have to be a cop for that kind of special treatment.

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Response to Rex (Reply #32)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:42 AM

40. Yes, isn't that a hoot?

A cop running from his own crime scene? I wonder why he did that.

According to the autopsy conducted by the ME the family hired, all of Brown's gunshot wounds entered from the front.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:31 AM

34. Ugh - the daily mail?

 

What's the matter? Couldn't find a more right wing piece of shit paper to use?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #34)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:34 AM

37. It's only good for

trumped up celebutante gossip.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:32 AM

35. I think you and MohRokTah are both full of it.

The person talking isn't all that articulate, and I don't think anyone can be sure about to whom each antecedent refers. I think you actually need to ask the person speaking what they actually meant before you can claim with any certainty whether they meant that the cop was moving towards the kid or vice versa. With something that garbled, you can't simply and definitively proclaim either.

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Response to Michigander_Life (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:40 AM

39. That makes sense.

If you've been shot a few times, of course you would turn around and bolt toward the guy shooting you.

Just like if a large stranger was stalking you at night, you would run away out of fear, then turn around and attack them instead of going home.

Wait...

None of that doesn't make any sense at all.

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