Autopsy: Dr. Michael Baden says all gunshot wounds Michael Brown sustained were 'survivable' except

[Hissyspit]

@BreakingNews: Dr. Michael Baden says all of the gunshot wounds Michael Brown sustained were 'survivable except the 1 to the top of his head' - live video

[Robbins]

1. RW will try to say

this proves cop was trying to stop Michael Brown.

[FarPoint]

4. yeap

They will use it against Michael.

[badtoworse]

2. A shot through the eye is survivable? Seems questionable to me.

[Mike Daniels]

5. People survive shots to the head occasionally.

Whether Brown would have escaped major brain trauma and the resulting life-style changes is another question.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

6. The ME said that one immediately turned and came out his jaw. It was survivable. nt

[badtoworse]

8. Did not know that. Thanks

[LordGlenconner]

10. Survivable under ideal conditions, and with a bit of luck

We have no way of knowing if Brown would have received the medical care necessary for him to survive an injury like that.

[intaglio]

11. The ambulance that was supposedly returning from the aid call

answered by the cop stopped to offer help and was turned back by the police.

[bklyncowgirl]

14. There was a nurse too who offered to perform cpr and was prevented from doing so by police.

True, he was already dead from the head wound per Baden so performing CPR would have been of no use.

[cleduc]

19. I posted video of EMS

checking Brown out not long after the shooting

[csziggy]

21. It was long enough after the shooting for crime scene tape to be up

Multiple other cops had arrived and a crowd had gathered so a considerable amount of time had passed in terms of attempting to save a person's life.

[cleduc]

24. The log said EMS were called at 12:04

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf
Log for Wilson on prior call for sick child was between 11:45 and 12:00.
Robbery at around 11:52am
Altercation between Wilson and Brown starts at around 12:01-12:02
EMS were called at 12:04 (that may have been after the first shot fired as Wilson didn't get out of his cruiser right away - may have radioed it in then)

EMS who helped child arrive on scene at ? (some minutes later)

I'm not sure how much one can blame the police for EMS response time. Crowd forming may have contributed to their delay.

[alsame]

7. Gabby Giffords survived a

shot to the head. It's not typical but it is possible.

[Recursion]

13. It's amazing what trauma medicine can do nowadays

It's one of the reasons Iraq's deaths are as "low" as they are compared to Vietnam -- wounds that would have killed people 20 years ago are survivable now.

Pistol bullets, surprisingly, have a tendency to bounce off the skull rather than penetrate it. It can bounce around your face and do a lot of damage but not kill you.

[Beaverhausen]

27. Survivable doesn't necessarily mean he would be 'normal'

a shot to the brain can cause much damage but won't necessarily kill someone.

[Avalux]

3. My stomach flipped when I heard that.

Based on that, then Brown was still alive after being hit 5 times and falling to the ground....then Wilson EXECUTED him with that shot to the head.

[lame54]

9. They were all aimed at the head...

he just kept hitting the raised arm

[hedgehog]

12. Thank you for posting this - I was just going to start a post asking this question

I heard a report that a nurse living on the street approached the police and wanted to see if Brown was still alive - she was prepared to perform CPR.

My Dad's comment - which may be incorrect - is that given all the blood on the ground, his heart was still pumping.

[bklyncowgirl]

15. The heart continues pumping for a short time after a fatal brain injury.

This is what happens in a slaughterhouse after an animal is stunned by a humane killer. The bolt to the head causes instant brain death but the heart pumps long enough to cause massive loss of blood.

[MillennialDem]

16. Heart pumping does not mean alive - it's on an independent signal from the brain

[hedgehog]

17. Thank you for the info - OTOH -

I wonder if the police on the scene were qualified to make a determination of brain death.


I think a case can be made that the first officers on the scene were guilty of reckless indifference to human life.

[MillennialDem]

18. I don't disagree.

[cleduc]

26. I did see or hear some observations about brains on the road

The crowd that gathered and contributed audio to the crime scene videos were commenting that he was dead - before EMS appeared.

Those head shots were pretty catastrophic

[7962]

20. I thought they said originally that he was shot in the back?

[Lex]

22. In the top back of the head, exited through the eye.

[crazylikafox]

25. Execution style....

How can this be anything other than murder!!!!!

[csziggy]

23. Witnesses thought he had been shot in the back

Apparently while Brown was running away, the cop shot at his retreating back and missed. Witnesses saw Brown jerk, then he stopped running and turned with his hands raised. The cop continued to shoot until Brown was down.

As one commentator on TV said, a bullet may have come close to Brown and that caused the reaction that witnesses thought was him being hit.

[riqster]

28. I don't suppose the Ferguson Piggies have released a report of how many rounds were actually fired?

[csziggy]

29. No - though at least seven were fired

Six into Michael Brown and a report that one round was retrieved from a nearby home.

I think the woman that pulled in behind the cop said he fired two round, Brown ran, the cop fired two more, Brown turned with his hands raised, the cop fired a number more times. Not sure I've got the witness right - I've been listening to reports for a week.

[riqster]

30. Thanks. Typically, a police investigation of a shoot involves an examination of the weapon,

Including how many rounds remain unfired. Whether the clip is partially full vs. empty can be significant.

[robbob]

31. Check out John Olivers spot on essay

He has footage from the Police chiefs press conference where he says it was "more than 2 shots" but not a whole lot more than 2 shots.

Just sickening.