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Newsjock

(11,733 posts)
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:25 PM Aug 2014

Solar plant near Calif.-Nevada border fries passing birds to death

Source: Associated Press

Workers at a state-of-the-art solar plant in the Mojave Desert have a name for birds that fly through the plant's concentrated sun rays — "streamers," for the smoke plume that comes from birds that ignite in midair.

Federal wildlife investigators who visited the BrightSource Energy plant last year and watched as birds burned and fell, reporting an average of one "streamer" every two minutes, are urging California officials to halt the operator's application to build a still-bigger version.

The investigators want the halt until the full extent of the deaths can be assessed. Estimates per year now range from a low of about a thousand by BrightSource to 28,000 by an expert for the Center for Biological Diversity environmental group.

The deaths are "alarming. It's hard to say whether that's the location or the technology," said Garry George, renewable-energy director for the California chapter of the Audubon Society. "There needs to be some caution."

Read more: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/aug/18/solar-plant-near-nevada-border-scorches-birds-mid-/

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Solar plant near Calif.-Nevada border fries passing birds to death (Original Post) Newsjock Aug 2014 OP
This is so sad to hear. agbdf Aug 2014 #1
Environmental impact must be taken into consideration when building solar plants. Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #2
Poor birds! TwilightGardener Aug 2014 #3
Maybe they can so something to deter birds for the site. ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #4
maybe eagle decoys on a tall pole to keep them away. Travis_0004 Aug 2014 #6
Yes, or even a massive net around the beams. nt ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #11
And you doubt how? Without knowing which birds are native to the area... joeybee12 Aug 2014 #16
solar installations are less impact to local and regional niches... LanternWaste Aug 2014 #23
The bird population is already dwindling. In_The_Wind Aug 2014 #5
and climate change will kill more birds than any solar power plant will. Salviati Aug 2014 #7
That's right, we can't do both, can we? Slow climate change joeybee12 Aug 2014 #15
Well, when I see post after post decrying renewable resources for the number of birds they kill Salviati Aug 2014 #19
Wind farm are also known to kill birds 951-Riverside Aug 2014 #8
Build them indoors jberryhill Aug 2014 #9
Wind farms indoors? ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #12
Yeah, then install some fans to make wind jberryhill Aug 2014 #13
Sounds flawless ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #14
Swapped out my solar cells for lunar cells jberryhill Aug 2014 #17
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard Orrex Aug 2014 #29
simple jberryhill Aug 2014 #30
Build 18,000 more of these solar arrays and they'll begin to match domestic and feral cats. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2014 #10
oh snap redqueen Aug 2014 #18
30,000 of these would match the number of birds killed by window collisions Chathamization Aug 2014 #28
This is in the middle of the desert Egnever Aug 2014 #20
Have you spent much time in a desert? Xithras Aug 2014 #24
I live in the desert Egnever Aug 2014 #25
How many do cats kill a year? nt Logical Aug 2014 #21
I think the winner is deforestation. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #32
Known methods of bird control Trillo Aug 2014 #22
There should not be for profit solar plants. Solar should be on roofs and other structures Cleita Aug 2014 #26
Solar on individual roofs and structures would improve national security Uncle Joe Aug 2014 #31
I just drove by this area This past Friday kimbutgar Aug 2014 #27

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
2. Environmental impact must be taken into consideration when building solar plants.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:30 PM
Aug 2014

Thanks for the thread, Newsjock.

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
4. Maybe they can so something to deter birds for the site.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:31 PM
Aug 2014

But I doubt this will have a significant impact on the species. It is still a lot less damaging to the planet then using fossil fuels.

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
16. And you doubt how? Without knowing which birds are native to the area...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:26 PM
Aug 2014

Which types are being killed?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. solar installations are less impact to local and regional niches...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 06:01 PM
Aug 2014

These may be a primer to help people begin realizing that even if placed in a migratory path, solar installations are indeed and in fact, less impactful by factors of factors to local and regional environmental niches...

'The Future of American Environmentalism', by Paul Wapner; and 'America in the Age of Environmentalism' by Patrick Allitt

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
15. That's right, we can't do both, can we? Slow climate change
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:25 PM
Aug 2014

and do it safely, right? Too much to ask for, isn't it?

Salviati

(6,008 posts)
19. Well, when I see post after post decrying renewable resources for the number of birds they kill
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 04:56 PM
Aug 2014

When the number of birds they kill is drastically less than those killed by fossil fuels (in the case of wind), or probably around on par with fossil fuels (in this case), it tends to make me believe that the original authors of the piece have ulterior motives.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
8. Wind farm are also known to kill birds
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 03:41 PM
Aug 2014

We need to also focus on ways of protecting nature as alternative energy begins to become mainstream.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
29. That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:57 PM
Aug 2014

What do you do during the new Moon, hmm??

And did you ask the Moon's permission before stealing Her radiance?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
30. simple
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:14 PM
Aug 2014

You're probably familiar with cells that turn light into electricity. If you turn them the other way, they turn dark into electricity. It takes advantage of the fact that the speed of light is slightly higher than the speed of dark, which has to work harder to keep up.

Chathamization

(1,638 posts)
28. 30,000 of these would match the number of birds killed by window collisions
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:20 PM
Aug 2014

Which is apparently pretty easily taken care of by stickers. But I haven't seen many people advocating that. You also don't hear much about the millions killed each year flying into power lines.

Which doesn't mean that this should be ignored, but the selective concern is always interesting.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
24. Have you spent much time in a desert?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 06:02 PM
Aug 2014

California's deserts are not sterile wastelands, and they are teeming with wildlife. The Mojave has huge numbers of birds, including hawks, owls, ravens and jays. I visit Joshua Tree on a halfway regular basis, and there is no shortage of birds in the sky.

The Mojave isn't the Sahara. It isn't a huge expanse of dead, sterile sand waiting for humans to come along and exploit it. It's a complex natural landscape covered with both plants and animals.



 

Egnever

(21,506 posts)
25. I live in the desert
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:49 PM
Aug 2014

not far in fact from the plant. I have seen the plant first hand. While you can certainly find wildlife, and yes birds they are far from common and generally located near bodies of water of some sort. That plant is not exactly located near anything resembling water from what I could see.

I can walk outside right now and be in untamed desert in less than five minutes and i will be lucky to see anything more than then pigeons that live off the housing tracts.now if i go down to the lake a good 20 minute drive from me I will certainly run into much more wildlife but the middle of the desert not so much.

I have no doubt that there is wildlife near the plant but I remain skeptical that there is any sort of large population.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
22. Known methods of bird control
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 05:52 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.gsa.gov/portal/content/113310

There are several modern technologies mentioned, including ultrasonics as well as sub-sonics, both outside of human hearing. Magnetics is also under investigation, as its known birds can sense the magnetic field.

Too bad they can't use a low-technology huge net.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
26. There should not be for profit solar plants. Solar should be on roofs and other structures
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:06 PM
Aug 2014

to generate electricity for those buildings and structures. The sun belongs to all of us. Putting them on a grid would distribute solar collected evenly. I don't think birds would fry then.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
31. Solar on individual roofs and structures would improve national security
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:51 PM
Aug 2014

as opposed to a single target of mass energy production.

kimbutgar

(21,137 posts)
27. I just drove by this area This past Friday
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:17 PM
Aug 2014

And I took a picture. They are really big and blinding. If I knew how to post a picture on DU I would post my picture.

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