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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSolar plant near Calif.-Nevada border fries passing birds to death
Source: Associated Press
Workers at a state-of-the-art solar plant in the Mojave Desert have a name for birds that fly through the plant's concentrated sun rays "streamers," for the smoke plume that comes from birds that ignite in midair.
Federal wildlife investigators who visited the BrightSource Energy plant last year and watched as birds burned and fell, reporting an average of one "streamer" every two minutes, are urging California officials to halt the operator's application to build a still-bigger version.
The investigators want the halt until the full extent of the deaths can be assessed. Estimates per year now range from a low of about a thousand by BrightSource to 28,000 by an expert for the Center for Biological Diversity environmental group.
The deaths are "alarming. It's hard to say whether that's the location or the technology," said Garry George, renewable-energy director for the California chapter of the Audubon Society. "There needs to be some caution."
Read more: http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2014/aug/18/solar-plant-near-nevada-border-scorches-birds-mid-/
agbdf
(200 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Thanks for the thread, Newsjock.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)But I doubt this will have a significant impact on the species. It is still a lot less damaging to the planet then using fossil fuels.
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Which types are being killed?
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)These may be a primer to help people begin realizing that even if placed in a migratory path, solar installations are indeed and in fact, less impactful by factors of factors to local and regional environmental niches...
'The Future of American Environmentalism', by Paul Wapner; and 'America in the Age of Environmentalism' by Patrick Allitt
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)Salviati
(6,008 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)and do it safely, right? Too much to ask for, isn't it?
Salviati
(6,008 posts)When the number of birds they kill is drastically less than those killed by fossil fuels (in the case of wind), or probably around on par with fossil fuels (in this case), it tends to make me believe that the original authors of the piece have ulterior motives.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)We need to also focus on ways of protecting nature as alternative energy begins to become mainstream.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)System runs a lot cooler now.
Orrex
(63,208 posts)What do you do during the new Moon, hmm??
And did you ask the Moon's permission before stealing Her radiance?
You're probably familiar with cells that turn light into electricity. If you turn them the other way, they turn dark into electricity. It takes advantage of the fact that the speed of light is slightly higher than the speed of dark, which has to work harder to keep up.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)Chathamization
(1,638 posts)Which is apparently pretty easily taken care of by stickers. But I haven't seen many people advocating that. You also don't hear much about the millions killed each year flying into power lines.
Which doesn't mean that this should be ignored, but the selective concern is always interesting.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)I am having a hard time buying into huge bird populations.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)California's deserts are not sterile wastelands, and they are teeming with wildlife. The Mojave has huge numbers of birds, including hawks, owls, ravens and jays. I visit Joshua Tree on a halfway regular basis, and there is no shortage of birds in the sky.
The Mojave isn't the Sahara. It isn't a huge expanse of dead, sterile sand waiting for humans to come along and exploit it. It's a complex natural landscape covered with both plants and animals.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)not far in fact from the plant. I have seen the plant first hand. While you can certainly find wildlife, and yes birds they are far from common and generally located near bodies of water of some sort. That plant is not exactly located near anything resembling water from what I could see.
I can walk outside right now and be in untamed desert in less than five minutes and i will be lucky to see anything more than then pigeons that live off the housing tracts.now if i go down to the lake a good 20 minute drive from me I will certainly run into much more wildlife but the middle of the desert not so much.
I have no doubt that there is wildlife near the plant but I remain skeptical that there is any sort of large population.
Logical
(22,457 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Trillo
(9,154 posts)There are several modern technologies mentioned, including ultrasonics as well as sub-sonics, both outside of human hearing. Magnetics is also under investigation, as its known birds can sense the magnetic field.
Too bad they can't use a low-technology huge net.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)to generate electricity for those buildings and structures. The sun belongs to all of us. Putting them on a grid would distribute solar collected evenly. I don't think birds would fry then.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)as opposed to a single target of mass energy production.
kimbutgar
(21,137 posts)And I took a picture. They are really big and blinding. If I knew how to post a picture on DU I would post my picture.