I found a HUGE inconsistency in the cop narrative. VAST HOLE!

[MohRokTah]

Okay, so the cops friend hears from the cop that the cop and Mr. Brown are struggling for the gun while the cop is still in the vehicle.

The gun then "goes off".

Guns don't just "go off". Somebody's hand is on the pistol when it "goes off".

Why did the autopsy show absolutely no gunpowder residue on Mike Brown's hands or body if he was struggling with the cop over the gun and the gun "goes off"?

Remember, Mr. Brown was wearing a short sleeve T-shirt at the time. If he was struggling with the cop for that gun and it "goes off", there would be gunshot residue on his hand and arm.

[Rex]

1. Is the friend in the truck or is this second hand information from the friend?

Citizen patrol ride?

[MohRokTah]

2. There was nobody in the car.

This is the friend who gave the third hand account to Dana Loesch's wingnut radio show.

This is the narrative the PD, the Prosecutor, and Wilson are running with and it's what will be presented to the grand jury.

[JI7]

7. "friend who gave the third hand account to Dana Loesch's wingnut radio show"

and this is the shit that CNN is spewing ?

[MohRokTah]

8. Yes, it is also apparently what the prosecutor is going to present to the Grand Jury.

Seriously, McCulloch is going to present this bullshit to the grand jury, which means no indictment.

[pintobean]

33. He would be an idiot if he didn't

present Wilson's story. How it's presented and received is what matters. The rest of the evidence is going to determine that.

[maxrandb]

15. Unfortunately

all you have to do is say "radio show" and we know it's WINGNUT!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

31. CNN? Say no more.

[dballance]

6. Second hand info.

Aka "hearsay," not good enough for court but good enough for TV Ratings and clicks.

[NYC_SKP]

3. Respectfully, before others follow this pattern, I don't think you would survive a jury selection.

You know nothing, I know nothing, about the clothing or the wounds, etc.

Please read, and then re-read, Dr. Baden's report and conclusions.

Then, maybe, delete your OP, or revise it.

[MohRokTah]

4. Balden specifically stated there is no gunpowder residue on Brwon. NONE.

I refuse to delete this. This is a huge hole in the BS cop story.

You, however, are free to use the trash thread or ignore functionality at your personal discretion.

[NYC_SKP]

9. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absense. I reckon you are not in the field of forensics.

It's perfectly fine, I only wish people would actually read the words in the report.

That's all.

[Ms. Toad]

32. From the NYT article on the autopsy:

"no gunpowder was present on his body."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

That report is entirely consistent with what the OP says - MohRokTah only claims there was no gunpowder on the body - and that is what the evidence (not absence of evidence) shows.

(It is true that Baden could not determine (i.e. absence of evidence) whether the clothing and the car had gunpowder reside. But the Baden autopsy was clear that there was none on the body.

[jberryhill]

10. And further said that assessment could change based on examination of the clothes

...which Balden did not have.

[SwankyXomb]

12. My assumption on this point

is that most if not all of the GSR on the body would have been washed away or otherwise lost during the original autopsy, allowing the police to have their "he grabbed for the gun and it went off" cake and eat it too.

[Rex]

17. Baden claims there was no signs of a struggle.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/who-dr-michael-baden-coroner-examined-michael-brown-n183516

So I don't know what the issue is.

[840high]

36. They must examine the clothes.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

38. He also said

That he would have to see the clothing that Michael Brown was wearing to see if there was any residue there.

[cwydro]

5. Good luck with logic here.

But I'm glad to read your post.

[Rex]

13. Baden claims there was no signs of a struggle.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/who-dr-michael-baden-coroner-examined-michael-brown-n183516

"As it stands, Baden’s testimony aligned with the portrait of events provided by Michael Brown’s lawyers. He said there were “no signs of struggle” and he predicted that his report would be supported by the official ones that follow."

Jus sayin...

[cleduc]

20. No signs of struggle on Brown

doesn't mean there wasn't a struggle. It might mean Brown didn't get noticeably hurt during the struggle.

As well, the officer apparently went to the hospital to get treated for a facial injury - that might have been as a result of a struggle.

On the GSR, Baden did not test the clothes or have the clothes to test. Others apparently did or will.

I read GSR is only detectable if the muzzle is within 3-5 feet.

The bullet wound some allege Brown received around the cruiser could have been the result of a ricochet when the gun went off in the cruiser and therefore, no GSR was directed at Brown if that happened.

Who knows for sure at this point .... lots of possibilities

[VScott]

23. Exactly

Its not like a bar room brawl took place and a lot of blows were exchanged that could leave bruises, scratches, swelling, etc

[Rex]

24. I'm just going by what the world famous coroner found to be the evidence.

But I do see the rub.

[HooptieWagon]

11. Cop's friend couldn't hear the gunshot, since they weren't there.

Cop's friend didn't even get the story from the cop, but supposedly from the cop's gf. Therefore, the whole story is utter rubbish, and never should have been reported as an "eyewitness" account, and certainly won't be admissible in court.

If the story was floated out as a trial balloon by cop/FPD/DA, then you're correct it has a lot of big holes. Those holes will be blown wide open by a good attorney, should this make it into court. And of course, all the alleged "new" eyewitnesses that are suddenly coming out of the woodwork backing that storyline, will be exposed as frauds and liars.

[Jackpine Radical]

29. This presumes the presence of an attorney with an interest in blowing holes in the

(non-)prosecutor's story. The Grand Jury only gets to hear what the prosecutor wants them to hear. Usually, this means that the defendant's side doesn't get told until the actual trial. In this case, the prosecutor will be attempting to do the defense's work for them & get a result of no True Bill.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

14. This is all speculation of course

but if Michael Brown fled the area around the car after the first shot as described by this Josie, why would he then turn some 35 or more feet away and tell the cop "you're not going to shoot me" and taunt the cop according to Josie's story? Was Brown hard of hearing? The gun had already gone off according to Josie when Wilson pressed it up against his thigh to allegedly get it away from Brown's hand (it was out of its holster). How could Brown tell if the shot was intentional or accidental? If he thought Wilson wouldn't shoot, then why would he take off after the first shot?

[justiceischeap]

16. No one seems to be getting the OPs point

If the friend, who is assumed to be in some way representing Wilson's version of events, then the friend is passing on what Wilson told him.

If that's the case and it turns out there is NO GSR on Brown per the first exam, then the whole justification for use of force is suspect.

[MoonRiver]

21. That was clear to me. Don't know why it flew by others.

[justiceischeap]

22. I gotta say, I hope the GSR reports come back negative

on Brown so the OP can crow about being right.

[MoonRiver]

26. Agreed, but also because there will be a better chance for justice for Mike. n/t

[justiceischeap]

27. Obviously that! I just need to find some sort of humor in this situation

it's too sad otherwise.

[Michigander_Life]

18. Your hole, well, isn't.

Gunshot residue (GSR) from firing a gun and an identifiable pattern gunpowder (Stippling) from being shot at close range are two different things. People shoot guns all the time and don't have any visible gunpowder on them. During (or before) the first autopsy, Mr. Brown's skin could have been swabbed and the swab later analyzed at a laboratory to detect the presence of GSR, but GSR isn't something that would have been detectable in Badan's autopsy.
Part of the first autopsy would have included washing the body after swabs were taken. Stippling would have still been present and visible but not GSR.

GSR
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunshot_residue

Vs

Stippling
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stippling
http://www.evidencemagazine.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1119

(graphic photos)

[justiceischeap]

25. Thanks for the explanation

however, would it stand to reason if there is an active struggle for a gun, and Brown's arm or hand is near that gun, that some GSR would blow back (don't know if that's the right term) onto him?

From what I'm gathering, the friend is relaying what Wilson told him... that they were struggling for the gun when it went off. So there's a reasonable assumption that Brown's hand or arm would be near the gun--obviously we don't know how the struggle went down however... since we're speculating, we could speculate that Brown's hand or arm could have gotten some of the GSR on him. Right?

[Lurks Often]

37. Maybe, maybe not, still too much missing information to be certain

Presuming of course that a shot was fired inside of the patrol vehicle, where was the muzzle in relation to Brown's hand(s) and arm(s)? Was the muzzle of the firearm still partially in the holster, which would channel the GSR into the holster and out the bottom. Was it in contact with the seat or some other relatively soft part of the car that would either contain or direct the GSR in a manner away from Brown? Is there GSR on Brown in the County's autopsy report?

[kentuck]

19. If he shot at them from the car...

It seems highly unlikely that they would come back for more?

And why did it take him 9 days to get his "story" out, albeit from a third-party source?

[grasswire]

28. his "story" came out after the autopsy report.

Conveniently.

[Politicalboi]

30. Still doesn't excuse shooting an unarmed kid

Who is surrendering. It shouldn't even matter if Brown had taken the gun and threw it down and started to run away. He was unarmed and the cop had the gun.

[Pisces]

34. The officer has had plenty of time to come up with his story. Who knows what he would have said on

site. Did someone take down his testimony and record it the same day??? Or has he had time to listen to others give
their version, hear the public anger and come up with some garbage that will correspond to the autopsy. Sorry but
Ferguson police has not earned our trust.

[MohRokTah]

35. The PD has been doing PR and it looks like the Prosecutor has been building Wilson's defense for him

Sad.