A cop with a broken eye socket can fire such accurate rounds?

[Duer 157099]

I guess so

[Xipe Totec]

1. Depends. Which came first, the rounds or the broken eye socket? nt

[jeff47]

31. HOLY CRAP! Michael Brown is a zombie?!?!!

(Kinda hard for him to break the eye socket after he's dead......)

[Nobel_Twaddle_III]

38. just for argument sake

Your my cop buddy, I see you are in trouble for excessive force.
I can tell you to look at me, and re injure that eye a little more to save you a few years in the slammer.

[WillowTree]

2. If he was aiming for center mass, he missed the first four times.

[Aerows]

42. It's a gruesome observation

but you make a fair point.

[Boom Sound 416]

3. He could have been firing blind

And it just happen to hit him in the head.

Not meant to be a justification in any way. We just don't know the facts. This leakage creates more harm than good.

[Vattel]

4. why not?

There is no reason to assume that Wilson wasn't injured. All witnesses report a struggle. If he got hit in the face, he got hit in the face. The important thing is that the eye-witness testimony suggests that he murdered Brown. If he got hit, it might be second degree murder, but assuming that what the witnesses against him are saying is true (and some of them are very credible), I will be satisfied with a second degree murder conviction.

[elehhhhna]

12. "All witnesses report a struggle" bullshit. Lie.

[Vattel]

15. Well, Tiffany Mitchell and Dorian Johnson report a struggle.

To my knowledge, no one says that there was never a struggle. Do you think Johnson and Mitchell are lying?

[demwing]

13. you were alerted on

I post the results because it was a 7-0 call to let your post stand, and because of the sheer ridiculous nature of the alert:

On Tue Aug 19, 2014, 08:38 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

why not?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5414299

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

All witnesses report a struggle
lies

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Aug 19, 2014, 08:49 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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[Vattel]

16. lol, that is a funny one. What I said was inaccurate, though.

But Johnson and Mitchell both reported a struggle and I seriously doubt that they were lying about that.

[HooptieWagon]

5. Then he hangs around the crime scene several hours,

apparently isn't treated by EMS there, since they weren't summoned, and then in video taken at the scene his eye has miraculously healed! Simply amazing!

[Rex]

7. The more the PD/HR firm lies, the deeper the hole gets.

It is shocking imo how little truth we've heard from the local authorities.

[Rex]

6. It will be believed, because anything else forces a change of narrative.

That cop is FUBARd. He should have turned himself in to the FBI.

[Lurks Often]

8. Maybe that wasn't the dominant eye

Most people have a dominant eye and that for a shooter that is usually the eye they aim with, although some shoot with both eyes open. Generally a right handed person is right eye dominant, left handed, left eye dominant.

A simple test, place your thumb so that it appears to cover a light socket across the room. Close one eye and then the other eye. If the light socket still appears to be under the thumb, then that is the dominant eye.

[JI7]

9. isn't there video of him showing he was standing around ?

does any of it show him doing anything which might indicate he had injuries ?

do other officers do or say anything ?

[VanGoghRocks]

10. If he was all hopped up on speeed or steroids, he might have been able to. But

they didn't do a drug screen on the shooter, now did they? Actually, they allowed him, even enabled him, to flee.

[world wide wally]

11. Exactly what I asked in another thread

[jberryhill]

14. accurate?

Like the ones that hit a nearby house?

[herding cats]

17. I had my lower eye socket broken by someone once.

The blow made me blackout from the pain, which almost lead to my death after I was out.

All I know is the pain for me was more than my mind and body could bear, even though I was scared for my life at the time. It's not like a broken finger, or rib, or even an arm where it hurts like hell but you can still think how to get away. It was a coupling of the pain in my face which took my breath away, and the physical shock to my brain as my head was knocked back from the the blow. My vision went red then white, and finally as if a shutter were being closed on a camera it went black. I was conscious and it appears I tried to crawl away, but I wasn't balanced by any definition.

Personally, I don't understand how a person could function under those circumstances.

[csziggy]

23. I wrote about my broken upper eye socket in another thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5414750

I didn't pass out but I was in shock - cold, clammy, and shaking.

I went blind in that eye within a few minutes and didn't get the sight back for a few weeks.

[herding cats]

28. You were in shock.

That's understandable with a traumatic injury like that. They hurt like heck and are scary!

I also lost my sight in my eye for a few weeks. For me it was almost three weeks before I could really see out of my eye again. Longer before I had something resembling clear vision. I didn't think I would ever see out of it and had begun to resign myself to the idea of being partially blind in one eye. I have vision problems which complicated my recovery and I still have issues in my left eye today. I can see though, which is a plus! I'm not complaining in the least.

Mine was in the lower socket. I had swelling in my whole left side of my face and the entire thing was bruised from above my brow to my jaw. It was ugly for some weeks. I couldn't use my facial muscles to smile or frown, or much of anything without pain. It was Z-something or other fracture which included my cheekbone and caused a hematoma (sp?) and neural injury to my eye. It wasn't the worst of my problems after the fact, but it was the one that took me out.

Breaking your face hurts. It's not something people can endure without major pain and suffering. You don't shake it off and go back in for another round. That stuff only exist on television and it's not what happens in real life.

[csziggy]

35. Oh, definitely in shock - but I was luckier than you were

Because of the way the horse's head and mine collided, my injury was really very confined, just the upper orbital ridge broken and bruised. That didn't reduce the swelling or bleeding, but I'm sure it wasn't as bad as yours!

I was stupid later that week, though. We were campaigning one of my horses and I went to the show to watch him in the class. Because our trainer had several horses make it to the halter championships, I agreed to lead my colt in. Easy class, walk the horse to the first judge, trot the the second one, line up and let the judges look the horses over.

The walk went fine but when I asked him to trot, he boogied to the right then kicked to the left. I was oblivious, being blind in the right eye I saw none of his capers. When he kicked to the left, he made solid contact with my thigh. Everyone around the arena *heard* it THUD. Everyone gasped.

So here I am with half my face black, blind in one eye, holding a colt who could have blown up again, and barely able to stand on that leg with tears running down my face. the judge let me hand the colt off to the ringmaster who finished the class for me. The colt won Reserve Champion and finished the year as Reserve Champion (in his six months of showing against a horse who had shown the entire year).

Oh, it was the colt's dam who had knocked me in the eye. I still loved those horses - and I still have one of the colt's daughters here.

[herding cats]

40. That's a precious story!

Seriously, you were adorably stubborn, but your colt saw your weakness and the stinker played you and acted up! That right there is why I love horses, and why a lot of folks don't get them. They're too darn smart for our own good.

The best part of your story is how the colt went on to win Reserve Champion. I'd have liked to have know that horse, it had personality and was as stubborn as its handler! You both get honorary mention in my judging for character. Interesting horses and interesting people tend to gravitate to each other in my experience.

[csziggy]

41. Here he is just a couple of months before that show

Here he is grown up:


Here's his dam, who smacked me in the eye:


Here is his daughter with one of her foals:

[onecaliberal]

18. Watch the video supplied by the eyewitness

There is NO injury. They didn't call for an ambulance. He's a fucking liar

[elehhhhna]

19. looks pale, no blood, not even a red face. nothing.

[uponit7771]

21. Could you link the video?? I've heard of them but have not seen them

[csziggy]

22. Here is the video of Wilson walking around the scene

And an interview with the woman who shot the video.

[octoberlib]

20. Charles Johnson just did an informative blog post on this

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/43751_Jim_Hofts_Unsourced_Claim_That_Officer_Darren_Wilson_Had_an_Orbital_Blowout_Fracture_of_the_Eye_Socket

[Brother Buzz]

25. I'll remind my readers that Jim Hoft is probably the single most dishonest right wing blogger....

on the Internet as well as the dumbest, with a very long history of distorting facts and completely making stuff up to push his far right, often overtly racist agenda. - Charles Johnson

I go hot an cold with Charlie's dialog, but I've never know him to be anything but a straight shooter.

[leftstreet]

24. It can be done. Totally

[avebury]

26. I think the story is BS

If you watch the video of the cop at the scene (and the pictures) there is no sign of any injuries, not even blood. In addition, physical mannerism don't indicate that the he is injured and in pain. Anybody who has ever had a head injury knows that it is pretty painful. There is no sign that he is in any pain. If he had been that seriously injured, he would not have been allowed to drive himself off in his patrol car. Either Emergency Medical Services would have been called right away (and we all know that did not happen) or someone wlse would have taken him to the hospital.

I just don't find the claim of injury to be credible.

[Maedhros]

27. The broken eye socket would count as significant head trauma, yes?

How likely do we think it would be that an officer who suffered significant head trauma would be allowed to linger at the crime scene and would not be rushed to the hospital?

[avebury]

29. The problem with there story is the fact that the shooter

was allowed to drive himself away from the scene in his squad car. If he had a serious head injury (particularly one that might impact his vision in one eye) they would not have allowed him to drive himself away from the scene as it would be a risk to the shooter and the public. If he was that badly injured, another cop would have put him in another squad car (because the shooter's car should have been processed AT the scene) and taken away to receive medical care. That did not take place.

Pictures and video from the scene show no sign of injury. The shooter shows so sign of physical pain. He only looks like someone who knows that he as really screwed up. Show us a picture of the injury. Release a statement by an attending physician about the injury.

I just do not find the injury story credible. This is a PD that is known for not being truthful.

[Maedhros]

34. Agreed. Not credible. [n/t]

[WCLinolVir]

30. A "broken eye socket" could mean a fracture.

Hairline fracture at that.
Orbital rim fracture,
Indirect orbital floor fracture ("blowout fracture&quot This occurs when the bony rim of the eye remains intact, but the paper thin floor of the eye socket cracks or ruptures. This can cause a small hole in the floor of the eye socket that can trap parts of the eye muscles and surrounding structures. The injured eye may not move normally in its socket, which can cause double vision. Most blowout fractures are caused by an impact to the front of the eye from something bigger than the eye opening, such as a baseball, a fist or an automobile dashboard.
Direct orbital floor fracture.
Significant head trauma usually involves brain damage.
Yes, he could linger at the crime scene. Swelling may not occur till some time later.

[Maedhros]

32. Yes, but a blow of sufficient force to inflict a blowout fracture

could potentially cause a concussion or internal bleeding. Doesn't seem reasonable that someone with such an injury would not receive immediate medical treatment.

[WCLinolVir]

36. No it doesn't have to. Sorry. Lots of people go in for a sore wrist/ankle and find they have a

fracture. A concussion is caused by the brain bouncing around in the skull, loosely speaking. One does not necessarily precipitate the other. Actually medical science is full of cases where people were injured and did not know till several hours later. I'm not on any side, but the opinions expressed here are not based on medical science. A blowout fracture can either be severe or mild, or anything in between.
And as a last note, if he was in shock, that would in many cases, make him less likely to notice physical pain.
I have not seen the report, but if he has been diagnosed with a "blow-out orbital fracture", it would usually have to be diagnosed by a radiologist, or other MD. There would usually have to be some kind of physical findings, x-ray, etc. It would not be subjective, or self-reported.

[WCLinolVir]

33. Those were accurate? What was he aiming for?

[onenote]

37. An "orbital blowout fracture to the eye socket" can take many forms

It sounds like a serious injury and it can be. But the same description can apply to a minor fracture that is not significantly different than a black eye. I'm sure the powers that be want everyone to think it was a serious fracture; I'm betting it was a minor fracture. http://www.aapos.org/terms/conditions/28

[Grammy23]

39. Have any of the witnesses given comments on the state of the shooter after it happened?

I've seen some video of the scene after the shooting and there appear to be a number of people milling around, just watching what was going on with Michael Brown's body and the police at the scene, including the shooter. Have any of those people given statements to indicate they noticed anything unusual about the shooter's appearance or demeanor?

I looked at the video and he did not give any indication of an injury or evidence he was in pain. The distance of the camera made it hard to get a good look at his face but his behavior was not that of someone who had just suffered a serious injury. The pacing seemed to indicate someone who was under stress and nervous, but not injured.

It will be interesting to hear what people on the scene say about it.