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sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 10:33 PM Aug 2014

The unrealistic expectations of Obama in Ferguson shooting



The president of the United States has awesome powers and responsibilities. But being a superhero is not one of them. But you wouldn’t know that by listening to those demanding that President Obama do all sorts of questionable things in response to the tumult over the police killing of Michael Brown. They want Obama to act out in some visceral way. They want more emotion from him on the horrible actions in and images coming out of Ferguson, Missouri. They just want him to do something. All the while completely ignoring what he’s actually doing, what he actually can do and what he is actually capable of doing.

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White House officials tell me that personnel from the Department of Justice’s community relations service arrived in Ferguson on Aug. 10, the day after Officer Darren Wilson shot and killed Brown. The level of attention has only ratcheted up from there. DOJ is conducting its own parallel federal investigation. FBI agents swarmed Ferguson over the weekend. A third autopsy of Brown’s body conducted by the federal government was done yesterday. Holder will be in Ferguson on Wednesday to meet with federal investigators and prosecutors. In an op-ed in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch released late Tuesday afternoon, Holder writes, “At a time when so much may seem uncertain, the people of Ferguson can have confidence that the Justice Department intends to learn — in a fair and thorough manner — exactly what happened.” The attorney general is appointed by the president. Holder’s travel to Missouri, the op-ed and everything DOJ is doing no doubt has the blessing of Obama.

Because of the ongoing investigation the last thing anyone should want is for the president to be rhetorically reckless in talking about the police killing of Michael Brown. Remember what happened the last time he talked about police action involving an African American man? Some said he was the one who “acted stupidly” in commenting at all on the arrest of Harvard law professor Henry Louis Gates at his own home in 2009. That being said, Obama has neither been silent on nor disengaged from what’s happening in Ferguson.

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Obama cares. Deeply. But if you’re expecting him to do seemingly heroic and showy things that make you feel good but do nothing to actually fix big, systemic problems in the long-term you will never be satisfied. And to demand that he do so in light of the information void out of Ferguson is foolish. All the energy being used to harangue the president should be directed at officials in Ferguson and St. Louis County who have refused to release key documents in the case. Why haven’t they released the first autopsy of Michael Brown? Or Ferguson Police Report #2014-12391? Or St. Louis County Police Report #2014-43984?

Read More: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/08/19/the-unrealistic-expectations-of-obama-in-ferguson-shooting/

Again. THIS IS NOT ABOUT YOU! Let's all take a deep breath AND ACTUALLY FIX THIS!

Obama cares. Deeply. But if you’re expecting him to do seemingly heroic and showy things that make you feel good but do nothing to actually fix big, systemic problems in the long-term you will never be satisfied. And to demand that he do so in light of the information void out of Ferguson is foolish. All the energy being used to harangue the president should be directed at officials in Ferguson and St. Louis County who have refused to release key documents in the case.
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The unrealistic expectations of Obama in Ferguson shooting (Original Post) sheshe2 Aug 2014 OP
Yes! The press is crap, they never give the POTUS a break. Rex Aug 2014 #1
I don't know what to believe anymore, Rex. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #2
I've changed my mind a lot these last 2 years, I see the hatred by our own party now. Rex Aug 2014 #4
I stopped watching TV news several years ago. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #7
There's absolutely no safe haven for supporters of this President anywhere. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #5
President Obama chose triangulation as his operating principle MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #9
Oh you are so correct about the.... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #12
Are you ready to answer the scary question yet? MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #23
We may have to lift this one up and give it to gawd MG. eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #29
Are you stalking me Manny? You keep repeating yourself again and again. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #30
Stalking. That's pretty serious. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #36
Stalking is indeed serious Manny. I believe that you should stop and maybe seek help. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #37
This must be very scary for you. MannyGoldstein Aug 2014 #43
I totally agree... raindaddy Aug 2014 #15
nobody deserves racist hatred, it wouldn't be right to attack clarence thomas with things like N JI7 Aug 2014 #20
Wow! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #21
I had his back when I went to the polls and voted for him.... raindaddy Aug 2014 #28
conservaphobe sheshe2 Aug 2014 #24
I think that they are either paid disruptors or Paulbots. 6000eliot Aug 2014 #40
they want a video clip or something they can show on TV and try to get ratings JI7 Aug 2014 #13
Too tired to edit this to be specific, but here are some as to what I expect: freshwest Aug 2014 #3
Thank you for your link, freshwest. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #6
"Because of the ongoing investigation the last thing anyone should want is for the president to be Cha Aug 2014 #8
Hey Cha... sheshe2 Aug 2014 #10
Thanks so much, she, for this thread.. I have to go for a bit but I'll be back soon! Cha Aug 2014 #11
K sheshe2 Aug 2014 #17
What the President and AG Holder on the whole are striving to accomplish, she~ Cha Aug 2014 #18
Brava Cha!!!!! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #22
Our Children's Future, she~ Cha Aug 2014 #26
Obama understands where this country is when it comes to discussion of Race issues JI7 Aug 2014 #14
You've got that right JI7. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #16
Not by a long shot, JI7.. :( Cha Aug 2014 #19
great thread Chimeradog Aug 2014 #25
Well said. And welcome to DU. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #33
Kicking. Thank you. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #27
Obama is held to higher expectations than any president in modern times. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #31
Walking a tight rope? That's an understatement for Obama! Woe be to him deafskeptic Aug 2014 #34
Yes, he is, DIrishman.. and he knows it better than anyone.. Cha Aug 2014 #35
I don't even know if a federal response Jenoch Aug 2014 #32
.. Cha Aug 2014 #38
Kick! sheshe2 Aug 2014 #39
Just saw the Lawrence O'Donnell show online, she.. AG Holder in Ferguson, MO! Cha Aug 2014 #41
Thank you for that link Cha. sheshe2 Aug 2014 #44
It also showed how appreciative everyone who mattered was that AG Eric Cha Aug 2014 #45
Obama cares deeply and does his AG, she.. From Eric Holder: A message to the people of Ferguson Cha Aug 2014 #42
Yeah, Potus needs a break, IMHO. nt AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #46
 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
1. Yes! The press is crap, they never give the POTUS a break.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 10:37 PM
Aug 2014

Eric Holder and the FBI are THERE and running an investigation to find out what is going on! What the fuck more does the man have to do?

The GOP would NEVER have even bothered investigating!

NEVER.



sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
2. I don't know what to believe anymore, Rex.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 10:46 PM
Aug 2014

There is venom towards this President that I find appalling. Sure we have the GOP. Yet here on DU! WTF!

If I listened to DU, I would never have voted for the man a second time. Lucky for me I have a functioning brain and use it.

If people here believe this President doesn't care about Ferguson, then they haven't been watching.

Damn the haters.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
4. I've changed my mind a lot these last 2 years, I see the hatred by our own party now.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 10:56 PM
Aug 2014

I didn't really believe liberals/moderates would be like that toward the man that basically kept us out of WWIII. Maybe I've lost it, but these last few years Obama has stood out as an extraordinary POTUS, much better then any in modern times...turned into a true statesman IMO over the last 4 years.

Don't feel bad, you and I know Obama probably can't STOP thinking about what is going on...he sent the head of the DoJ there fer christsake and it is OBVIOUS (despite media distortion) they are going to swing the big hammer if it comes down to it.

Obama has a very humanitarian side and is always fast at coming up with great answers...yet now he has to wait for his AG to do his JOB. It is not the POTUSes JOB to run the FBI...but I guess people want him to do THAT too!

I guess what has really gotten to me is that I feel like he is the ONLY person running our federal government! Congress...what can be said about them that hasn't been said...the SCOTUS is too busy racking up points with various political/corporate factions.

The POTUS is supposed to get help from the other branches in running things...yet it feels like everything rests on his shoulders. All the time.

FUCK the haters.

I'm staying away from the M$M...

sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
7. I stopped watching TV news several years ago.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 11:28 PM
Aug 2014

Blah blah blah. Rinse recycle and repeat. Lucky for me I work Sundays and don't have to see all that conservative crap on places like "Meet the DePressed"

Yes, he is doing all the jobs, Senate. House. Governor. FBI. and the list goes on because there is NO ONE TO SUPPORT HIM. Not there and not many here. Nothing. Nothing is ever good enough and it never will be.

I agree with you Fuck the haters. No one can ever make me believe that most of this is not Racist. It is.

Yes, best POTUS ever.

Justice for Michael Brown and our President and our AG Holder for doing his best to make it happen

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
5. There's absolutely no safe haven for supporters of this President anywhere.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 10:59 PM
Aug 2014

At least it doesn't feel that way to me...

Living in conservative Appalachia and then going online and having to wade through the vitriolic comments by extremists on the right and left...

It gets so goddamn discouraging.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
9. President Obama chose triangulation as his operating principle
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 11:38 PM
Aug 2014

Now he's finding out what happens when one gets in the middle of two polarized sides.

I'm not saying that the criticisms are all justified - certainly, those from the right are just insane/evil. But Obama's made his bed, now he gets to sleep in it.

sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
12. Oh you are so correct about the....
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 12:11 AM
Aug 2014
the criticisms are all justified - certainly, those from the right are just insane/evil.


So are the ones from the left, Manny.

But Obama's made his bed, now he gets to sleep in it.


Oooookay~

Aaaah, why has he forsaken me...

Lawd, I fainting...he betrayed me, sigh ~

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
23. Are you ready to answer the scary question yet?
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 01:07 AM
Aug 2014

You know, whether your in favor of the TPP?

Or will you continue to not answer that?

sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
30. Are you stalking me Manny? You keep repeating yourself again and again.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 01:25 AM
Aug 2014

Yeah, I saw where you deleted that question on another Op of mine. Why did you do that?
Did you believe you went over the line?

I am a woman and I damn well do not like being stalked. There are laws against that.

PS! Your question has absolutely nothing...nada...zip to do with the OP I posted. I know it's hard but do try to stick to the topic at hand.

Do not push me Manny, no one likes a bully! Trust me on this, as I have said to you before, do not fuck with me.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
36. Stalking. That's pretty serious.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 02:16 AM
Aug 2014

Perhaps you should contact someone.

On the bright side, have you noticed that I've cut way back on using "etc"? I deeply appreciate the effort by you, and others, to teach me that it's an awful slur:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4676294

sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
37. Stalking is indeed serious Manny. I believe that you should stop and maybe seek help.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 02:33 AM
Aug 2014

I am fricking that you are still pissed about ...etc. Let it go Manny, breath and let it go~ Sigh~

Hey Manny. WTF you continue to stalk me on those two issues, get over it and leave me alone. I believe you need to seek help. Stop fucking with me.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
15. I totally agree...
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 12:36 AM
Aug 2014

Obama has shown little interest in the populist ideals he campaigned on. He became the moderate Republican he was hoping to compromise with while the Republicans shifted even further to the right. He turned his back on the people who would've had his back... . Politically he did make his bed, but I feel bad about the racist hatred he's had to endure from the right.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
20. nobody deserves racist hatred, it wouldn't be right to attack clarence thomas with things like N
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 12:50 AM
Aug 2014

word and other racist attacks either.


he deserves hate for a lot of other things . but nobody deserves racism.

sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
21. Wow!
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 12:51 AM
Aug 2014

Good for you raindaddy!

Another Obama sucks post. Kudos to you! When have you taken his back here? You have been here since 2003...care to link all those OPs to me.

Obama has shown little interest in the populist ideals he campaigned on.


Really. So you have a problem with Obamacare and equal rights for women and DOMA And VAWA and so much more. Please!

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
28. I had his back when I went to the polls and voted for him....
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 01:23 AM
Aug 2014

I'm a traditional Democrat..I believe in transparency, unions, trade agreement that protect middle-class jobs, prosecution of Wall Street criminals, and protecting the rights of whistle blowers. I don't believe in Bush's tax cuts for billionaires, appointing Wall Street and corporate insiders to positions of oversight, illegal spying on my fellow citizens, endless corporate cash buying our Representatives, etc...

When I vote for a Democrat I expect an advocate, someone who shares these ideals and is willing to fight for them.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
13. they want a video clip or something they can show on TV and try to get ratings
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 12:28 AM
Aug 2014

and try to turn something into a controversy .

sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
6. Thank you for your link, freshwest.
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 11:11 PM
Aug 2014

And this...


It's not about him being a coward, not caring, or any of what he's been accused. It's about caring for the victim and his family enough to not have his words used to allow the shooter to escape justice.

His tough talk taken out of context hurt a victim.* Is that not a higher goal than satistfying voyeurs on the net demanding to see him rip into Ferguson PD and the shooter?

Is that cheap thrill worth letting Michael Brown and his community suffer by letting the defense use his words to establish undue influence to free Wilson?

Most of us know damn well that they will. This is a disgrace to talk about a man who is trying to get the best thing done, not go for the political win in the short run and lose the bigger goal of justice.


Brava freshwest, that was perfect.

Get some rest~

Cha

(297,220 posts)
8. "Because of the ongoing investigation the last thing anyone should want is for the president to be
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 11:34 PM
Aug 2014
rhetorically reckless in talking about the police killing of Michael Brown."

Precisely, she.. this is what makes me so Pissed at those who get on the internet and whine about the President not doing what they MOFO want him to do right now.. because they know nothing about what it takes to get Justice for Michael Brown. All they know is the President isn't doing it fast enough or loud enough to suit their arrogant ego.

Michael Brown

Mahalo she.. great to come home to this~

sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
10. Hey Cha...
Wed Aug 20, 2014, 11:56 PM
Aug 2014

'Cause....

But if you’re expecting him to do seemingly heroic and showy things that make you feel good but do nothing to actually fix big, systemic problems in the long-term you will never be satisfied.


So much Whine Cha.

It's about Michael now and all the black children past and future that are needlessly murdered by cop. It needs to end.

Cha

(297,220 posts)
11. Thanks so much, she, for this thread.. I have to go for a bit but I'll be back soon!
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 12:05 AM
Aug 2014
Michael Brown

JI7

(89,249 posts)
14. Obama understands where this country is when it comes to discussion of Race issues
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 12:34 AM
Aug 2014

and it's not just the right wing teabagger types who are the problem.

Chimeradog

(83 posts)
25. great thread
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 01:13 AM
Aug 2014

Indeed. fake corporate media not covering realities needs to be addressed. wheres all the "liberal" celebrities who supposedly cared about the sandy hook tragedy?. i am so disgusted with american "news" the past 13 years. and gee, we are coming up to the 9/11 anniversary Again with the public still left in the dark about the true facts. note to idiot news producers- not everyone watches iidiots like katie couric and charlie rose and believes they are telling real "news".its is all so sickening. i wish Obama could do one thing with this situation before he leaves office bcs i believed in him and deep down i feel he is a humane person. i am beyond disgusted with alec, the Gop frauds and our whole system that allows kids to be shot dead by militarized police....sorry for typo im on my phone and this whole situation is a disgrace to what "america" used to be. Rip Mr Brown .

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
31. Obama is held to higher expectations than any president in modern times.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 01:26 AM
Aug 2014

I think part of it is because of the long, dark shadow we came out of in 2009. But still, in 1980, there were worse riots in Miami over a very similar event (cops were acquitted of killing a black man). It took Carter weeks to comment on it and only visited the area after everything was calmed. When he did, his limo was pelted by angry Liberty City residents.

Obama is walking a tight rope and doing it about as well as he can.

deafskeptic

(463 posts)
34. Walking a tight rope? That's an understatement for Obama! Woe be to him
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 01:39 AM
Aug 2014

if he should falter in his balance. Then Right Wing Nut Jobs are going to pelt tomatoes at him.

Cha

(297,220 posts)
41. Just saw the Lawrence O'Donnell show online, she.. AG Holder in Ferguson, MO!
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 07:33 AM
Aug 2014

The students he interacted with, Chief Ron Johnson, and Professor Wesley Bell all had gratitude that he was there and felt encouraged. Said he was inspiring and realistic.

Chief Ron Johnson said Holder's coming to Ferguson had great impact on people. Prof Bell asked if people understood how different this is.. to receive this much Presidential attention?! "It's unprecedented"!

The students said Holder was listening to them.. and the police shifted tactics last night.. because Holder was there or a coincidence?

If you have the time.. here's the link. I hope it's better for you.. it buffered for me about a million times but I stuck with it because I wanted to know. L O'D also eviscerated the NYT "police report" that I heard for the first time watching his show. It was carrying the FPD heavy water and Lawrence tore it in shreds by pointing out the many bogus fallacies.

http://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word

Good Morning, she~

sheshe2

(83,758 posts)
44. Thank you for that link Cha.
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 02:40 PM
Aug 2014

L O'D as always nails it, that was a perfect take down of the NYT's bogus crap they were spewing.

Cha

(297,220 posts)
45. It also showed how appreciative everyone who mattered was that AG Eric
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 07:37 PM
Aug 2014

Holder was there. Michael Brown

Cha

(297,220 posts)
42. Obama cares deeply and does his AG, she.. From Eric Holder: A message to the people of Ferguson
Thu Aug 21, 2014, 08:31 AM
Aug 2014

From the St Louis Post-Dispatch

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Since the Aug. 9 shooting death of Michael Brown, the nation and the world have witnessed the unrest that has gripped Ferguson, Mo. At the core of these demonstrations is a demand for answers about the circumstances of this young man’s death and a broader concern about the state of our criminal justice system.

At a time when so much may seem uncertain, the people of Ferguson can have confidence that the Justice Department intends to learn — in a fair and thorough manner — exactly what happened.

Today, I will be in Ferguson to be briefed on the federal civil rights investigation that I have closely monitored since I launched it more than one week ago. I will meet personally with community leaders, FBI investigators and federal prosecutors from the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division and the U.S. Attorney’s Office to receive detailed briefings on the status of this case.

More from Eric Holder
http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinion/a-message-to-the-people-of-ferguson/article_ea8b7358-67a3-5187-af8c-169567f27a0d.html

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