OH great now we have a group calling themselves Black Texas gun club

[bigdarryl]

That's all we need http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/21/1323444/-Black-Texas-Gun-Club-Stages-Open-Carry-Protest-against-Killer-Cops

[DetlefK]

1. Why would anyone have a problem with citizens exercising their 2nd amendment-rights?

[leftyohiolib]

3. you mean scotus' version of 2a rights which conflicts with the constitution

[samsingh]

33. that's exactly what it means - the bought and sold scotus that supports things like

corporations are people had something stupid to say about gun rights.

[leftyohiolib]

2. they have a point

we have to take the stand NOW as this shit is already latent nationwide and showing exactly zero signs of abating anytime soon. It is still ratcheting up, cops are still being funneled giant military vehicles and guns, guns, guns. And stylish military apparel that makes them feel frisky.

Protests MADE the nation look

and in a couple of days the nation will go back to sleep

[VanGoghRocks]

4. Well, in this case, the name and cadre should give the NRA and Republicans pause: "The Huey

P. Newton Gun Club."

Earlier Wednesday, other demonstrators held an open carry gun march through South Dallas to protest against police shootings.

Organizers there said the show of force served as a reminder of the right to bear arms to protect themselves from criminals and from police.

About 30 men and women with the Huey P. Newton Gun Club rallied through the streets, focusing on deadly police shootings from the Ferguson, MO shooting death of teen Michael Brown to shootings by local police.

I generally oppose private ownership of firearms on public health grounds, but I might just make an exception here!

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/26328877/gun-club-patrols-south-dallas-streets

[Eleanors38]

6. Why do you find this "exception" so amusing?

[VanGoghRocks]

8. Um, do you know anything about the history of the Black Panther Party? If not, you

might wish to check out the history of the Mulford Act and (then-Governor) Reagan's signing of same.

I have a finely honed sense of irony (and a strong sense of solidarity with oppressed peoples throughout history).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

[Eleanors38]

14. Um, yes I do. Your sense of irony is best directed

at those who are feverishly trying to control or ban guns, even as they half-wished, half/ baited what they thought were only White open-carry types to join Ferguson demonstrators. Such "playfulness" when discussing from afar the plight of a community they are Not part of I find reprehensible.

Familiar with the Mulfird Act as well, and the problems it is still causing CA. It was Jim Crow, just as the 1968 Gun Control Act was. Robert Sherrill, an early advocate of gun control, was disappointed in the latter's passage, calling it not "an attempt to control guns, but to control blacks."

I chose Eleanors38 because she kept hers on the front seat when traveling to a rally protesting the KKK.

[VanGoghRocks]

17. To quote DUer 'phantompower' from a different thread on this same topic:

That sound you hear is thousands of white racist gun-nuts pooping their diapers.

In the big picture, black militias with guns isn't any safer than white militias with guns, but I find it grimly amusing, just because all these "open carry" and "stand-your-ground" laws are so transparently racist. What goes around, comes around, bitches.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5422940

I oppose the private ownership of all firearms on public health grounds! That said, if open carry is going to be the new norm, I support the ability of any person to exercise that right.

[Eleanors38]

30. Fair enough. Only, I think the sound of pooping is

grossly exaggerated. A lot of gun-owners know some history regarding gun control, and they aren't overly concerned about blacks marching about with guns. I think phantom is laughing too hard at his own joke.

Interesting, the poop-in-pants theory has been run through the Gungeon a number of times. But are bowels are just fine!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

46. I'm white. I support both the 2A and club in the OP.

No pooping involved; but then most pro-Control / Subjugation arguments are based on lurid imagings.

[samsingh]

34. in this case i agree

[Eleanors38]

5. I don't like open-carry demos either. Ironic, that

a number of gun controllers were having a good ol' time pointing to the hypocrisy of mainly white open-carry groups not showing up in Ferguson. Well, it's not in Ferguson, and the group ain't white, but moral consistency is now back in balance.

[Ikonoklast]

7. Did you know that some of the earliest NRA gun clubs were formed by Southern Blacks in order

to defend their families?


The problem is the White people who think that "gun rights" aren't the rights of all citizens...they are straight-out racists.

[Eleanors38]

16. ^^^ From Eugene V. Debs to Malcolm X.

[Recursion]

60. Well, the *very* first iteration of the NRA was as a racist pro-gun-control organization

They didn't like Italians, Irish, Native Americans, and African Americans having guns and they wanted "hunters" (which has always been a dog whistle for exurban Anglos) to be able to keep their rifles (hence the name) but pistols to be tightly controlled.

Gun control in the US has an odd history.

[Ikonoklast]

61. The NRA lobbied in favor of the Mulford Act, thinking it would target Black gun owners

moreso than White.

They lost all shred of credibility as being advocates for the rights of everyone years and years ago, it was the biggest reason I quit being a member.

They are selective in whose right to bear arms they deem worthy.

[MineralMan]

9. While I don't like open carry demonstrations, I will make an exception

in this case. It's more of an equalizing demonstration than anything else. The RKBA people are convinced that they (white, right-wing gun owners) are the only armed citizenry. That's never been true, of course, but this open carry demonstration should make it clear to whatever racist gun owners there are out there (I believe it's many) that they are not the only armed citizens.

So, I have no problem with this demonstration at all, especially in Texas.

[aikoaiko]

10. I love that these gentlemen are proving so many DUers wrong....or

...at least making them backpedal on their expressed views when white men open carry rifles.

[cwydro]

12. This is pretty funny lol. Nt

[stone space]

15. I'm glad that you find this so amusing. (nt)

[IronGate]

20. It is amusing to watch the controllers twist themselves

into knots over a black gun club who defends open carry.

[stone space]

22. How am I twisting myself into knots? (nt)

[IronGate]

24. Well, maybe not you, but it's funny watching the controllers

trying to condemn these AA open carry advocates.
I'll edit my post.

[Hoyt]

51. I believe we need to enact laws similar to Australia and apply them equally to

everyone.

These guys are simply showing their weapons to all the Yahoo right wingers who carry and accumulate multiple weapons because of their fear of minorities.

[IronGate]

52. What you believe and what will happen are worlds apart.

We will never have Australian style gun control in this country, just not going to happen.

[Hoyt]

53. Maybe. The tough Aussies thought same too, but got tired of the gun yahoos.

[IronGate]

58. The Aussies don't have the 2A like we do.

Australian style gun laws? Just not going to happen.

[Hoyt]

62. Aussies can read, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State . . . "

Please no contorted explanations and Justice Stevens' Dissent in Heller will eventually prevail with a balanced Court. Better go buy a few more gunz to soothe your soul.

[IronGate]

63. So what if Aussies can read?

Not relevant to the US Constitution.
And what's with the snide remark? Was I being snide to you?
I thought I was being respectful in my comments to you, so why not reciprocate?
And what the hell is gunz?

[Hoyt]

64. Gunz are different from "guns." I usually use Gunz when responding to right wingers on Discussionist

or in response to those who love Gunz and don't give a damn about the impact of society.

"Guns" (one or two) might be a hunting rifle actually used for hunting, a single 6-shooter kept for home defense, granddad's hunting rifle, etc.

Gunz are used to strap on to go to Chuck E Cheeze, to train to kill people, shoot targets resembling people, calm right wing bigots afraid of minorities, etc. Gunz belong to those who worship folks like Massad Ayoob and long to go to one of his seminars for White people afraid of minorities. Gunz include sniper rifles and people who like to train to shoot people at a distance.

Guns (one or two) belong to some liberal guy who needs something to shoot varmints on his farm, feed his family, and the like, but would never think of shooting some unarmed kid.

It is also a term that gets gun cultists to ask, "what are 'Gunz'?"

Have a good weekend, I'm off to the mountains for some hiking, without a gun.

[IronGate]

65. Stay safe and have a good weekend yourself. nt.

[etherealtruth]

54. Not even close

[LittleBlue]

49. Their heads are exploding

They don't know what to think.

[stone space]

11. Well, that's not their name. They call themselves...

...the Huey P. Newton Gun Club, not the Black Texas Gun Club.

In any case, this is an NRA wet dream.

[aikoaiko]

18. They've been doing this sort of thing for at least the last 15 years without issue

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7ca_1250667222

[stone space]

21. They have? Do you have any evidence of that?

The link from 2000 that you posted makes no mention Huey Newton Gun Club.

[aikoaiko]

25. Its the Texas New Black Panthers in both instances.

RIF

[stone space]

36. Perhaps they are. Perhaps you recognize them.

And perhaps you have a link?

I did a little google to see how long the Heuy Newton Gun Club has been in existence, and I found this:

In Texas, blacks are protesting police violence in a particularly Southwestern way: By invoking their right to open carry. On Wednesday, more than 30 members of the newly-formed Huey P. Newton Gun Club gathered to march through South Dallas with rifles, shotguns, and AR-15s. The group eventually entered a restaurant with their weapons while Dallas police officers were inside eating lunch.

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/black-open-carry-in-dallas

Their website makes no mention of the Texas New Black Panthers, but claims that this is their first open carry event:

http://about.me/hueyp_newton

This doesn't mean that you are wrong, of course, but it would be good to see a link verifying this.

As an aside, I would note that, in good Texas Gun Nut form, they all decided to eat in a restaurant with their dicks hanging out in the open.

Some things ever change, huh?

[Eleanors38]

23. ^^^ READ THIS LINK! An example of MSM maintaining

a narrative, one which many DUers labor under.

[dilby]

13. You know who gets shot? Unarmed black men.

I think what they are doing is great, police need to be held accountable and need to know that the people wont put up with their crap anymore.

[Eleanors38]

19. When I first saw, heard and read Malcolm X in the eatly 60s...

he caused quite a stir among white Southerners who thought they only had to deal with King. The curious reaction I noted among some of "my redneck friends" was the aspect of the black community defending itself by any means necessary, including with guns. These fellows, steeped in segregation, shrugged it off saying they had a right to that. And they still do.

[UTUSN]

26. The original Open-Carriers (White) getting what they have been wishing for n/t

[stone space]

31. And they get to watch it from the comfort of their living room sofa.

I'll bet it makes a good spectator sport.

Certainly seems to be quite entertaining to some folks here.

[muntrv]

27. Hey Ted Nugent! Whatcha gotta say now?

[Nye Bevan]

28. The second amendment sucks IMO.

But as long as we have it, I can't really crticize these folks.

[stone space]

29. It does...and I can. (nt)

[samsingh]

32. it's only a matter of time before the oppressed take up arms

[samsingh]

35. even though i'm progun control - i support the open carry for Black people now.

[Eleanors38]

38. How about for all citizens regardless of race?

[samsingh]

40. are they being massacred by the police?

[IronGate]

42. What difference does that make?

You support a right for AA's, but not for non AA's?

[samsingh]

43. big difference - one is a real effect, the other is a phantasy

[IronGate]

44. A right is not a "phantasy".

A right is a right, no matter what the color of one's skin or ethnicity.

[samsingh]

45. its a phantasy of having guns to fight the government when they decide to

take over.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

47. And being disarmed will only hasten the takeover and its duration. nt

[Eleanors38]

56. Is that form of self-defense the entry fee?

We can bring up a number of Constitutional questions, are you ready for that?

[IronGate]

41. So just AA's? Not for the rest of the non AA population?

[jobycom]

37. My hope is to see an open carry group calling themselves "Jihadists for Usama."

And I want to see them openly carrying weapons around the Texas Capitol, and churches, and as close to schools as they can get. I want to watch the gun nuts tripping over their weapons as they backpedal.

[Eleanors38]

39. This is your fantasy. Indulge as you wish...

But the vast majority of gun-owners are not going to perform your vaudeville act.

BTW, the Huey P. Newton Gun Club has been doing the open-carry thing for some 15 yrs now in Dallas and other areas. Maybe you haven't heard?

[Initech]

48. "Black Texas Gun Club" would make a great name for a rock band.

[sarisataka]

50. What is the problem you have?

BTW they call themselves Huey P. Newton Gun Club. The reporter identified them as a Black Texas gun club.

[ileus]

55. The 2A is for everyone...

Why would it not be???

[frazzled]

57. Hey, let's put racism to work for us for a change!

Everybody seems to be fine with gun clubs in this country until you put the word "Black" in front of it. As a strong proponent of gun control and changing the entire attitude toward gun culture in this country, I think it's a great idea for every state and city and town to have a Black Gun Club. Given the state of racism in our country, maybe we'll start to see a turnaround in attitudes about gun "rights" at last!

(Is a sarcasm tag necessary? I'd better put one on: )

[linuxman]

59. Makes me sick.

Bunch southern, idiotic gun nuts trying to intimidate people around them with their dick-extension. Fucking pathetic. And wouldn't you know it, not a fucking white face to be seen anywhere. Makes you wonder how many of these gun wavers are racists as well

Ban all guns now, or you'll see more groups like this forming!



Tagged as sarcasm, but it will probably be hidden for forcing some thin skinned DUers to think outside their comfort zone.

LOL at all the people saying "I support this group, but only because they are black". Which other civil rights to you endorse based on race. The hypocrisy is palpable.


For the record, this groups has my full support.

[Matrosov]

66. Unacceptable

Either there is a place for firearms in a progressive society or there isn't. The number of annual gun deaths in the US compared to that in countries where access to firearms is either restricted severely or banned outright makes it obvious that there isn't a place.

It shouldn't matter to us the race of the people who are attempting to intimidate and scare others by carrying assault rifles out in the open. Just because the police likes to target African-Americans doesn't make this any more acceptable than when a white gun owner is pushing his Kalashnikov into the faces of fellow Starbucks customers.