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Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 04:16 PM Aug 2014

Florida cop acquitted of rape, tells victim to 'move on'

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/lake/os-leesburg-police-officer-rape-trial-verdict-20140822,0,1385385.story

A former Leesburg police officer acquitted Friday of sexually assaulting a woman in his custody had a terse message for the 24-year-old and her family after the verdict: "Move on."
People in the courtroom broke into tears when the jury of four women and two men found Henri Bart Larue, 27, not guilty of armed sexual battery by a law-enforcement officer — a crime that could have landed him in prison for life.
The single mother and her supporters stormed out of the courtroom, appalled that Larue was going free.
"I am flabbergasted," said the woman's mother, who testified this week. "All that evidence. All that effort. And they came up with not guilty? My poor daughter. It's all being relived all over again."


Simply disgusting, is it any wonder why so many people are terrified by cops?
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Florida cop acquitted of rape, tells victim to 'move on' (Original Post) Hugabear Aug 2014 OP
Yay, Cops! Iggo Aug 2014 #1
Or why women don't report gaspee Aug 2014 #2
This sort of verdict is also why so many women don't prosecute their rapists. Goddamn it. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Aug 2014 #3
Exactly! theHandpuppet Aug 2014 #5
Justice wears a blue-stained dress. nt Xipe Totec Aug 2014 #4
"blue stained dress" exactly what do you mean by that? nt alp227 Aug 2014 #13
Or more importantly why cops are no longer respected. PFunk Aug 2014 #6
And there were four women on the jury? BillZBubb Aug 2014 #7
Benefit of the doubt, or fear of revenge from the other cops? Lars39 Aug 2014 #12
I have long thought this to be part of the reason why juries don't convict cops. nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #27
Good point. Uggh! nt ecstatic Aug 2014 #41
Maybe that is a factor too. I don't know. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #42
excerpt from another recent thread... BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #8
Well said, Blanche. But the community is the real problem, NOT the cop. He's just a symptom freshwest Aug 2014 #11
Indeed. eom littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #22
you are SOOO right, fresh. BlancheSplanchnik Aug 2014 #40
Agreed. nt littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #23
Maybe when his daughter gets sexually assaulted he'll "get it" Dont call me Shirley Aug 2014 #9
Let's rather hope that if the only way he could "get it" KitSileya Aug 2014 #46
Agreed, my statement was impulsive and unnecessary Dont call me Shirley Aug 2014 #50
Move on? Fuck you cop. blackspade Aug 2014 #10
Apparently no one here has even considered the possibility that he was actually, well, NOT guilty. JJChambers Aug 2014 #14
Considering that his DNA was found on her, that's highly unlikely Hugabear Aug 2014 #15
Where does it say that? JJChambers Aug 2014 #20
Well, if she falsely accused him (which was his defense), why is he telling her to "move on?" LisaL Aug 2014 #18
From reports his actions were enough to make him lose his job etherealtruth Aug 2014 #25
did you bother to read the article: niyad Aug 2014 #30
Yes, I read it. She said he did. He said he didn't. JJChambers Aug 2014 #32
considering he was FIRED after an investigation? NO. niyad Aug 2014 #33
But found not guilty by a jury who has been presented all the evidence. JJChambers Aug 2014 #35
righhhht, because juries ALWAYS do the correct thing! niyad Aug 2014 #36
I'm not saying he's not guilty nor am I saying he is guilty. JJChambers Aug 2014 #37
Casey Anthony and George Zimmerman were acquitted as well - n/t Hugabear Aug 2014 #45
a cop who was FIRED because of his actions, and who tells the victim to "move on". . niyad Aug 2014 #31
Usually I would give people that possibility mythology Aug 2014 #39
I know what I think a just outcome would have been DFW Aug 2014 #16
Corruption does seem to be widespread, sadly. AverageJoe90 Aug 2014 #17
Members of the best armed gang of them all... 99Forever Aug 2014 #19
Power and Control. littlemissmartypants Aug 2014 #21
six people on a jury? iandhr Aug 2014 #24
Florida has 6 person juries except for death penalty cases davidn3600 Aug 2014 #28
You learn something every day. iandhr Aug 2014 #34
Someone ought to castrate that asshole. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #26
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2014 #44
It's like being raped all over again! ReRe Aug 2014 #29
Rape culture. riqster Aug 2014 #38
Perhaps kcks Aug 2014 #43
go ahead and tell us why he was fired Skittles Aug 2014 #47
Then why did we bother have a trial? davidn3600 Aug 2014 #48
you really don't get it, do you? Skittles Aug 2014 #49

gaspee

(3,231 posts)
2. Or why women don't report
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 04:22 PM
Aug 2014

sexual assault? It's not like they're going to be found guilty if they're not caught in the act or a minority or poor.

PFunk

(876 posts)
6. Or more importantly why cops are no longer respected.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 04:38 PM
Aug 2014

with many not thinking of them as a occupying force for the 1 percent. Something has to change. Any chance the victim will go the civil suit route?

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
42. Maybe that is a factor too. I don't know.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 08:02 PM
Aug 2014

I've never served on a jury where a cop was the defendant, so I never considered that angle.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
8. excerpt from another recent thread...
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 05:11 PM
Aug 2014
Men have no idea what it takes to be a woman. To grin and bear it and persevere. The constant state of war, navigating the relentless obstacle course of testosterone and misogyny, where they think we are property to be owned and plowed.


It's reprehensible that a cop gets away with this shit, but it's not just cops....only a very tiny percentage of those accused of sexual violence against women get charged guilty. (Of the already tiny percentage that even makes it to court.)

The deck is stacked against you if you're not a white male. And sex against your will is to be expected if you're female.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
11. Well said, Blanche. But the community is the real problem, NOT the cop. He's just a symptom
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 05:35 PM
Aug 2014
of the pathology of the voters in the area. People are too quick to go after the open and obvious target, a creepy man in a suit who would have been convicted easily in another venue.

Because that definitely does happen, but it's not trendy. All the nameless ones on the jury and in the voting pool are the REAL problem there.

Only voters are on the juries. It's scary to think about what else they will approve when voting.


BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
40. you are SOOO right, fresh.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 07:52 PM
Aug 2014

The jury is a group of your peers....kind of. I have heard that during jury selection, attorneys prefer to eliminate people prone to critical thinking.

They want people who have fully absorbed the zeitgeist, no questions asked. When that zeitgeist is the attitude of red-'Murika, you've got a dysfunctional threat on your hands, if you're the one looking for justice.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
9. Maybe when his daughter gets sexually assaulted he'll "get it"
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 05:29 PM
Aug 2014

But more than likely he won't ever understand. Once a rapist always a rapist, they never learn.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
46. Let's rather hope that if the only way he could "get it"
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 03:28 AM
Aug 2014

were by experiencing rape in his own family, he would be the victim himself. Daughters (and any other female relatives) of rapists are persons, not props to be used to teach a perpetrator a lesson.


As the quote goes, 'Every woman is somebody's daughter, mother, sister, wife' Because only the first 4 words are necessary.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
50. Agreed, my statement was impulsive and unnecessary
Thu Aug 28, 2014, 05:28 PM
Aug 2014

As a victim of repeated sexual assault I over-react a bit when it comes to pro-rape comments by hateful males. He probably himself was a victim of sexual violence. I would not hope such assault on any being. I should not have hung that on her. Thanks for the heads up.

Hugabear

(10,340 posts)
15. Considering that his DNA was found on her, that's highly unlikely
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 05:45 PM
Aug 2014

I'm sure it just magically appeared there

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
20. Where does it say that?
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 05:59 PM
Aug 2014

Where was the DNA found? What was the source of the DNA? Sperm? Skin cells? Blood?

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
18. Well, if she falsely accused him (which was his defense), why is he telling her to "move on?"
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 05:50 PM
Aug 2014

Don't you think it would be a bizarre statement to make for someone falsely accused.
If I were falsely accused of something, I certainly wouldn't be telling my accuser to "move on."

niyad

(113,293 posts)
30. did you bother to read the article:
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 07:03 PM
Aug 2014


The woman said Larue, who had worked at the Leesburg Police Department since March 2012, made an unexpected U-turn while taking her to the Lake County Jail. She said he drove to a secluded alley behind a strip shopping center on U.S. Highway 441 and forced her to perform a sex act. He was arrested in January 2013 after a Florida Department of Law Enforcement investigation and was fired in March 2013.
 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
32. Yes, I read it. She said he did. He said he didn't.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 07:09 PM
Aug 2014

He was found NOT guilty by a jury. Yet no one considers that a possibility?

niyad

(113,293 posts)
33. considering he was FIRED after an investigation? NO.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 07:11 PM
Aug 2014

considering how many rapists lie, no, I don't.

niyad

(113,293 posts)
36. righhhht, because juries ALWAYS do the correct thing!
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 07:27 PM
Aug 2014

keep trying. someone might actually think you are correct.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
37. I'm not saying he's not guilty nor am I saying he is guilty.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 07:30 PM
Aug 2014

I'm questioning the folks who don't even entertain the possibility that he COULD be not guilty. I certainly think he COULD be guilty, but I'm reasonable.

niyad

(113,293 posts)
31. a cop who was FIRED because of his actions, and who tells the victim to "move on". .
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 07:04 PM
Aug 2014

oh yeah, my first thought was that he was clearly a saint, not guilty.

wow. . .just. . . wow.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
39. Usually I would give people that possibility
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 07:35 PM
Aug 2014

But as the article said, he was fired, which isn't overly easy to do and he told her to get over it. If either of those weren't true, I'd be more likely to give him the benefit of the doubt. Even if he didn't say get over it as a method of dismissing her as his victim, he did tell her that to dismiss her as a victim in general. I am perfectly happy to not have a person like that being a cop.

Granted the article doesn't give a lot of detail on the actual defense and prosecution, so I have no idea what the 16 minute time stamp error is about for example.

DFW

(54,370 posts)
16. I know what I think a just outcome would have been
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 05:45 PM
Aug 2014

But then someone might do what I was thinking, and then I'd be in hot water for saying it.

Suffice it to say that when a perp tells his victim to "move on" after beating the rap, it's pretty obvious what he meant.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
17. Corruption does seem to be widespread, sadly.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 05:50 PM
Aug 2014

I'm not exactly a believer in "rape culture&quot well, not in a literal sense, anyway), TBH, but this should have any decent person up in arms. Enough is enough. It's long past time to hold police departments accountable for their problems.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
19. Members of the best armed gang of them all...
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 05:53 PM
Aug 2014

... are above the law. A badge absolves all wrongs.

Yay cops, you're da bestest.

littlemissmartypants

(22,656 posts)
21. Power and Control.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 06:20 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.lfcc.on.ca/HCT_SWASM_5.html

They use it on us and it's being used on society at large.

Educate yourself and your loved ones. Sociopaths won't change. Be informed and involved.

Love, Peace and Shelter.
Lmsp 🙌

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
28. Florida has 6 person juries except for death penalty cases
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 06:52 PM
Aug 2014

It's been challenged....I think in the 1970s it went to the Supreme Court and they said 6 or more jurors is OK. That's where the line was drawn.

Connecticut and Florida are the only 2 states that have less than 12 jurors for criminal trials. Civil trials tend to vary though from state to state. It's not uncommon to have less jurors in those kind of cases.

Florida does have 12-person juries if it is a death penalty case.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
29. It's like being raped all over again!
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 06:57 PM
Aug 2014

Question: Can't she sue him in civil court, even though he was acquitted?

Don't tell me this isn't a Police State!

kcks

(106 posts)
43. Perhaps
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 08:55 PM
Aug 2014

they was not enough evidence, just because there is a trial does not make every accused guilty.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
48. Then why did we bother have a trial?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:53 AM
Aug 2014

Apparently getting fired is all the proof you need to convict someone. But it wasn't enough proof for this jury to convict (which was made up of 4 women and 2 men, btw).

You have to prove guilt in court. Being fired is not evidence of guilt.

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