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Sat Aug 23, 2014, 09:54 PM Aug 2014

Darren Wilson first PD so bad it had to disband. Lost his job, headed to Ferguson

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Our @washingtonpost team's latest.Darren Wilson first PD so bad it had to disband. Lost his job, headed to Ferguson http://buff.ly/1mBNP5q

____ After going through the police academy, Wilson landed a job in 2009 as a rookie officer in Jennings, a small, struggling city of 14,000 where 89 percent of the residents were African American and poverty rates were high. At the time, the 45-employee police unit had one or two black members on the force, said Allan Stichnote, a white Jennings City Council member.

Racial tension was endemic in Jennings, said Rodney Epps, an African American city council member.

“You’re dealing with white cops, and they don’t know how to address black people,” Epps said. “The straw that broke the camel’s back, an officer shot at a female. She was stopped for a traffic violation. She had a child in the back of the car and was probably worried about getting locked up. And this officer chased her down Highway 70, past city limits, and took a shot at her. Just ridiculous.”

Police faced a series of lawsuits for using unnecessary force, Stichnote said. One black resident, Cassandra Fuller, sued the department claiming a white Jennings police officer beat her in June 2009 on her own porch after she made a joke . . .

The Jennings department also had a corruption problem. A joint federal and local investigation discovered that a lieutenant had been accepting federal funds for drunken-driving checks that never happened.

All the problems became too much for the city council to bear, and in March 2011 the council voted 6-to-1 to shut down the department and hire St. Louis County to run its police services, putting Lt. Jeff Fuesting in charge as commander . . .


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Darren Wilson first PD so bad it had to disband. Lost his job, headed to Ferguson (Original Post) bigtree Aug 2014 OP
What needs to happen in Ferguson - The Police Dept needs a "Do over" FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #1
There aren't exactly vast waiting lists to get on police departments pipoman Aug 2014 #5
There is No Shortage of Trigger Happy Biggots - think Bundy Ranch FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #24
Based on what specific cases, complaints? pipoman Aug 2014 #25
I've lived in several towns with NO police dept. FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #27
So anarchy and vigilantes? That is the liberal way? pipoman Aug 2014 #28
Police create criminals - not deter them FreakinDJ Aug 2014 #30
You do realize that St Louis is a major us city no? pipoman Aug 2014 #33
Absolutely. Hopefully the feds or the city council will shut down the FPD. JimDandy Aug 2014 #14
Thanks for posting. I've cross-referenced your post to update a thread I started on VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #2
There was a thread discussing some of this on Tuesday starroute Aug 2014 #12
You don't have to fire them.....just pass an ordinance that they have to live in Ferguson VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #3
Best idea yet. Also all the people that run Ferguson should be required to live there. Common sense. Booster Aug 2014 #4
That would be ideal... pipoman Aug 2014 #8
Um, you get hired and THEN move into town. See? Simple. n/t JimDandy Aug 2014 #16
So if only 30 people can be found who wish to live in the town pipoman Aug 2014 #20
No, this crop all need to be fired. The next batch need to live in Ferguson. n/t JimDandy Aug 2014 #15
ridiculous pipoman Aug 2014 #21
Not really ... sunnystarr Aug 2014 #35
I've heard of the residency requirement before pipoman Aug 2014 #37
Are there any specific claims or cases against Wilson? pipoman Aug 2014 #6
If there are any claims, leftieNanner Aug 2014 #11
The city is teaming with pipoman Aug 2014 #13
If there were any claims, you could be certain they've been scrubbed by now. jillan Aug 2014 #22
There is a hungry reporter on every corner, it wouldn't be hard to be heard in Ferguson right now. pipoman Aug 2014 #23
This young woman got maced and Wilson & Ferguson PD BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #31
Interesting - I wonder if this is a MO thing or just a St. Loius thing? jwirr Aug 2014 #7
St. Louis has had systemic urban poverty for as long as I can remember. .. pipoman Aug 2014 #9
Because of genealogy I was aware of the civil war history - just not that is was still on going. jwirr Aug 2014 #10
This is unbelievable imo pipoman Aug 2014 #19
would you expect them to issue a Mizzou license plate in Kansas? pstokely Aug 2014 #32
They do. pipoman Aug 2014 #34
It said the one person who spoke out did so only if they could be anonymous BuelahWitch Aug 2014 #17
Bad shit just seems to follow this guy. I would imagine it has something to do with him. n/t nomorenomore08 Aug 2014 #18
As They Say, Sir: 'Wherever You Go, There You Are...." The Magistrate Aug 2014 #26
Thanks for linking this great... ReRe Aug 2014 #29
I keep comparing these cities in MO. with Charlotte, NC , where I live. octoberlib Aug 2014 #36
Great post. It says a lot in few words. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #38
kick bigtree Aug 2014 #39
 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
1. What needs to happen in Ferguson - The Police Dept needs a "Do over"
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:00 PM
Aug 2014

Fire them all and start fresh

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
5. There aren't exactly vast waiting lists to get on police departments
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:12 PM
Aug 2014

Policing is a way of life few want to endure. Thankless, hated by the public, second guessed for years on decisions necessarily made in seconds...you know, the kinds of things most people couldn't be paid to do...

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
24. There is No Shortage of Trigger Happy Biggots - think Bundy Ranch
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 11:53 PM
Aug 2014

what there is a definite shortage of in Ferguson is Non-Prejudice Dedicated Public Servants who would to treat Black Folks EQUALLY

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
25. Based on what specific cases, complaints?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 12:04 AM
Aug 2014

The bundy bunch aren't qualified to be police. The rhetoric may get hard to defend without some actual examples/proof. I am open to anything, just not nothing...

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
27. I've lived in several towns with NO police dept.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 12:21 AM
Aug 2014

A lot less crime then most cities with police depts.

There was a lot of community policing such as the time an escaped murderer was hiding out in a shack in the woods. A few of the Good Ol Boy crew from the breakfast house surrounded him in their 4 WD and Deer Rifles

No shots were fired and he was returned to jail to await trial for murder

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
30. Police create criminals - not deter them
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 12:43 AM
Aug 2014

anarchy and vigilantes might be what you have with your "Big city police depts."

I never experienced or seen that in the small towns with no police dept I've lived in

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
33. You do realize that St Louis is a major us city no?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 01:00 AM
Aug 2014

What city of 22,000 city or country doesn't have a police department?

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
14. Absolutely. Hopefully the feds or the city council will shut down the FPD.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 11:02 PM
Aug 2014

Recall petitions are being considered also, I hear.

 

VanGoghRocks

(621 posts)
2. Thanks for posting. I've cross-referenced your post to update a thread I started on
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:01 PM
Aug 2014

the shooter Darren Wilson back on August 15.

Although my thread has dropped into probably well-deserved obscurity since, please feel free to comment there if so moved:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390934

starroute

(12,977 posts)
12. There was a thread discussing some of this on Tuesday
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:59 PM
Aug 2014

I see you cross-referenced yours in that one two -- but it seems worth having both links to keep all this material together.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025411848

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
3. You don't have to fire them.....just pass an ordinance that they have to live in Ferguson
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:04 PM
Aug 2014

to be a Police Officer there....they can choose to move in next to those they spent so much time harassing...OR they could chose to work elsewhere...

easy peasy!

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
8. That would be ideal...
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:19 PM
Aug 2014

Apparently the city feels it needs 55 police officers. What if there aren't 55 people living in the city who want to be cops?

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
20. So if only 30 people can be found who wish to live in the town
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 11:23 PM
Aug 2014

Slow response times and such will just be an acceptable price to pay? What about St.Louis county police? Are they allowed in?

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
35. Not really ...
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 01:37 AM
Aug 2014

There are cities that have that requirement. I remember Syracuse did when I lived there. Also Philadelphia:


Residency

Each non-resident of the City of Philadelphia, hired for the position of Police Officer is required to establish residency within the City of Philadelphia no later than six (6) months after promotion to Police Officer I. Those appointed to the position of Police Officer shall establish his or her bona fide residence in the City within one year of his or her appointment.
http://www.phillypolice.com/careers/requirements/


Would check for more but it's late.
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
37. I've heard of the residency requirement before
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:42 AM
Aug 2014

Firing an entire police department based on nothing is what I find antidemocratic and wrong.

That said, resident officers would be ideal, just not realistic. Syracuse and Philadelphia are big cities with diverse living options. St . Louis has many living options and is a big city. Ferguson not so much.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
6. Are there any specific claims or cases against Wilson?
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:17 PM
Aug 2014

Sounds like he has spent 5 years working primarily black neighborhoods. That is over 10,000 hours, seems if he is a racist we would know by now. ..

leftieNanner

(15,084 posts)
11. If there are any claims,
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:42 PM
Aug 2014

they wouldn't be in his file. The Ferguson PD files any specific officer complaints in the case file with no copies in the individual officer's file. Neat, huh?

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
13. The city is teaming with
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 11:02 PM
Aug 2014

Media from all corners of the globe all looking for a scoop surprisingly nobody has come out. His file may come out, it won't until there is a public trial if then.

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
23. There is a hungry reporter on every corner, it wouldn't be hard to be heard in Ferguson right now.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 11:31 PM
Aug 2014

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
31. This young woman got maced and Wilson & Ferguson PD
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 12:50 AM
Aug 2014

refused to let her wash her eyes out or try to get any relief. Yes, only a case of him behaving like a dick, but you'd think they'd at least have some compassion for the pain she was in.

http://gawker.com/woman-claims-darren-wilson-told-her-to-shut-the-fuck-u-1622383830

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
9. St. Louis has had systemic urban poverty for as long as I can remember. ..
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:21 PM
Aug 2014

MO has had a racist history since siding with the south over the civil war. Even to this day...a couple years ago MO passed a bill disallowing a MO license plate for University of Kansas alumni (lots in KC and western MO) because of the Jayhawk legacy and Kansas' refusal to join them during the Civil War.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
10. Because of genealogy I was aware of the civil war history - just not that is was still on going.
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 10:38 PM
Aug 2014
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
19. This is unbelievable imo
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 11:20 PM
Aug 2014
A bipartisan team of Missouri lawmakers proposed amendments to three separate bills to prohibit the University of Kansas' Jayhawk logo from being displayed on Missouri plates, a request made by KU's alumni association. The effort is the latest in a war between the two states which began over slavery issues in 1850 and continues today over college athletics, jobs and almost anything else.

"Like generations of Missourians before us, we face an incursion from the west," Missouri Rep. Stephen Webber (D-Columbia) said on the House floor Tuesday. "It will be repulsed. This is the effort to affix the dreaded, disgusting Jayhawks symbol to our Missouri license plates."



http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1522554
 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
34. They do.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 01:00 AM
Aug 2014

I also expect them to join us in the 21st century and leave their 19th century racism and bigotry in the 20th century.

In contrast Kansas has a long history of acceptance with the Jayhawks, Buffalo Soldiers, John Brown, Nicodemus, Brown vs. BoE...

BuelahWitch

(9,083 posts)
17. It said the one person who spoke out did so only if they could be anonymous
Sat Aug 23, 2014, 11:13 PM
Aug 2014

because they were afraid of threats. Wilson has a wall of silence around him.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
36. I keep comparing these cities in MO. with Charlotte, NC , where I live.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 03:10 AM
Aug 2014

The African American population in Charlotte is 35%.


37% of the CharMeck Police Dept. is minority.

We have a Black Police Chief.

5 of the 11 members of the Charlotte City Council are Black,

Our last 2 Mayors were Black.




Black people in Missouri have no representation. It's seriously fucked up.

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