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RandySF

(58,799 posts)
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:10 PM Aug 2014

Hillary ignores questions about Ferguson and walks out of store.

Westhampton Beach, New York (CNN) – Hillary Clinton, who has yet to comment about the protests over the death of an unarmed black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri, ignored questions about the incident on Sunday.

After signing more than 700 books at Books & Books in Westhampton Beach, Clinton was asked by two reporters for her reaction to the controversy.

Clinton ignored both questions and left the bookstore.

Liberal activists and civil rights leaders have asked Clinton for her response, saying she is the presumed front-runner for her party's presidential nomination in 2016 and that she has commented on major news stories in the past.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/08/24/clinton-ignores-questions-on-ferguson/

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Hillary ignores questions about Ferguson and walks out of store. (Original Post) RandySF Aug 2014 OP
Coward. Chakab Aug 2014 #1
Hillary is no coward. Period. riversedge Aug 2014 #4
I bet that you still believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa too. Chakab Aug 2014 #10
I Believe otohara Aug 2014 #75
Correct. She is a politician. And ONLY a politician. JJChambers Aug 2014 #16
And that is not what is needed right now, we need LEADERSHIP. This country needs sabrina 1 Aug 2014 #138
I completely agree with you. She gives the middle finger to left-wing minded people often. stillwaiting Aug 2014 #35
No She's a Politician! Chasstev365 Aug 2014 #45
she is worse than just a coward. she is a hypocrite. 3am phone call anyone? roguevalley Aug 2014 #53
Hillary is worse than a hypocrite; she's a complete phony. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #133
Like when she had to duck from sniper fire? Oh wait, she "misspoke" about that. Divernan Aug 2014 #69
That was an easy mistake to make, lol. What an embarrassment. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #134
HRC to star as Lady Robin in remake of Monty Python Divernan Aug 2014 #71
She got a bronze star or something for dodging all that sniper fire. n/t tabasco Aug 2014 #76
Someone who wants to be President shouldn't be afraid to speak their views on any subject. ohnoyoudidnt Aug 2014 #77
I strongly agree. She is very smart and knows that if she comments on Ferguson she will reveal rhett o rick Aug 2014 #89
That is not smarts, that's cowardice. JaydenD Aug 2014 #92
She is the Powers That Be heir apparent for the Presidency. Speaking out would only rhett o rick Aug 2014 #97
Absolutely not a coward. Consider how she stood up to Jackpine Radical Aug 2014 #128
You don't know or understand Hillary Clinton at all.... FarPoint Aug 2014 #20
I understand her a lot better than you do. Chakab Aug 2014 #22
Nahhhh....your way off base there my friend FarPoint Aug 2014 #24
You provided no argument to dispel the idea that H. Clinton-Sachs represents the Aristocracy. rhett o rick Aug 2014 #91
Cowardice of the first order. hifiguy Aug 2014 #21
A group of people in this country are being systematically oppressed Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #2
And she was the one who made the "3am commercial" RandySF Aug 2014 #3
+1 leftstreet Aug 2014 #7
obliterate Iran? magical thyme Aug 2014 #11
You'd think her staff could have triangulated SOME spin by now! Divernan Aug 2014 #65
According to Bill, when Hillary made that grand faux pas about Bosnia JaydenD Aug 2014 #98
Now, now. She can't afford to offend those fickle "moderates" and the Reagan Democrats Chakab Aug 2014 #8
Agree wholeheartedly. We need a progressive alternative to Hillary. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #32
Why the hell should she? FarPoint Aug 2014 #23
Tell that to African American victims of police brutality Cali_Democrat Aug 2014 #25
Like I said previously, the diversion would harm the movement in favor of the GOP. FarPoint Aug 2014 #27
Congratulations, you have won the Weakest Argument yet heard. JaydenD Aug 2014 #28
You don't understand. If a Democratic politician keeps her powder dry for the perfect moment, Chakab Aug 2014 #33
Freshmen.... FarPoint Aug 2014 #34
Yeah, because you know who really knows politics. The person who managed to lose in spite of having Chakab Aug 2014 #40
Hillary is the one acting like a Freshman. JaydenD Aug 2014 #44
her heartfelt pain... SammyWinstonJack Aug 2014 #119
You really do????!? LiberalElite Aug 2014 #31
Yes I do.... FarPoint Aug 2014 #37
oh god. she has nothing . even dead children won't make her have couage of conviction, rednecks be roguevalley Aug 2014 #58
I don't "sense" that heaven05 Aug 2014 #46
bull. you need to consider if she felt anything she woul speak. diversion is a cop out. even rand roguevalley Aug 2014 #56
+! davidpdx Aug 2014 #120
agreed davidpdx roguevalley Aug 2014 #124
What Movement? Third way? Teamster Jeff Aug 2014 #62
You "SENSE" her heartfelt pain...WTF? Is that the same as looking into her eyes and seeing her Ecumenist Aug 2014 #131
her attitude will be GETTINGTIRED Aug 2014 #61
Not smart at all - if this were day 1 or 2, ok, karynnj Aug 2014 #63
You support her choice at this time? I can't go that far, I just support choice A Simple Game Aug 2014 #70
We need to wait until all the evidence is in. You know, just like with alleged "climate change." RufusTFirefly Aug 2014 #64
Not at a book signing, she wouldn't. You realize that there are no conversations at book signings KittyWampus Aug 2014 #112
Didnt the transfer of military hardware to police start under Bill's admin? DJ13 Aug 2014 #5
Most of it happened under the Clinton administration. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #47
This is seriously problematic. Raine1967 Aug 2014 #50
Most of the MRAPS and Helicopters and Night Vision/Rocket Launchers are under Obama KoKo Aug 2014 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author Chakab Aug 2014 #6
well what's a candidate to do? magical thyme Aug 2014 #9
Run, Hillary, run!!! ChisolmTrailDem Aug 2014 #12
This is getting embarrassing 4now Aug 2014 #13
Candidates and politicians have a habit of fleeing from tblue37 Aug 2014 #17
So you are sayying that Hillary acts like a Repuglican? I knew that. JaydenD Aug 2014 #19
Saying that Hillary does the same things as Bachman 4now Aug 2014 #26
I don't remember ever seeing any. nt tblue37 Aug 2014 #30
She should have written a note on her hand. JaydenD Aug 2014 #14
DUzy award! +1000 Divernan Aug 2014 #72
This proves it to me again sadoldgirl Aug 2014 #15
Excellent point. I do, too. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #38
But did they buy books to be signed? Erich Bloodaxe BSN Aug 2014 #18
Lol!! darkangel218 Aug 2014 #29
The ONLY way you get into the store during a book signing is to buy the book and have it signed KittyWampus Aug 2014 #114
It sounds quite correct that 700 people standing in line to get a book signed Dragonfli Aug 2014 #121
Obviously she believes she can win the presidency without African American voters tularetom Aug 2014 #36
Right on! She must think white women alone will get her elected. But little does she know there Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #41
We haven't forgotten the way that she tried to play working class whites and Latinos against Chakab Aug 2014 #42
Clinton and 'hard working white americans'. JaydenD Aug 2014 #102
+1 lunasun Aug 2014 #135
The African American voters overwhelmingly vote Democratic. BKH70041 Aug 2014 #118
I believe it is much simpler, I am sure she honestly believes that minorities and other liberals Dragonfli Aug 2014 #125
They aren't going to vote for a Repug...so she has them...and the rest of us Dems.. KoKo Aug 2014 #127
We have somewhere else to go - none of the above tularetom Aug 2014 #129
She really needs to voice her opinion on this very important issue. DCBob Aug 2014 #39
Cowardly, Predictable AND Tone Deaf.... ariesgem Aug 2014 #43
It'll be interesting watching Hillary these next couple years... Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #49
Bad move. This one's gonna haunt her for a long time. n/t winter is coming Aug 2014 #48
Gee, maybe she really isn't going to run for President. mulsh Aug 2014 #51
Look, stop asking questions. She's inevitable. jeff47 Aug 2014 #52
Hardly surprising. I'm still waiting for an answer to the question of stupidicus Aug 2014 #54
OMG! I forgot about her vote for cluster bombs - how could ANY parent vote for that? Divernan Aug 2014 #101
Oh, but she cares for all the children of the world sooo much. JaydenD Aug 2014 #103
And her heart's all atwitter about becoming a grandma! Divernan Aug 2014 #107
Lots of gramma's hearts were atwitter watching their grandchildren blown up in wars JaydenD Aug 2014 #110
many have stupidicus Aug 2014 #116
Currently Hillary does not hold a public office. For all who jump on the bash hillary wagon, Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #55
I'll call out whomever I please. RandySF Aug 2014 #57
Lets be nice, God doesn't like ugly. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #59
Despite what some people like to think davidpdx Aug 2014 #122
Well, the OP article that you posted is asinine. It was a book signing. NOBODY asks questions. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #115
The problem is she was happy to criticize Obama's FP and take sides with Israel BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #79
She has been advised not to make statements per Donna Bazille, she cant change Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #88
I never understood the sudden intensity of her PR campaign BeyondGeography Aug 2014 #108
Except when we're told she's inevitable (again) and the primaries are just a formality. Warren DeMontague Aug 2014 #140
Mark my words rufus dog Aug 2014 #60
disturbing to say the least. indivisibleman Aug 2014 #66
Al Sharpton: Hillary, don't get laryngitis on this issue. Divernan Aug 2014 #67
It's not laryngitis davidpdx Aug 2014 #123
She wasn't there to give a press conference. George II Aug 2014 #68
She does not currently hold a public office, it is time for those in public office to speak up. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #90
Excuse me? George II Aug 2014 #95
Yes, it only brings more trashing of whatever she says or dosent say. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #100
I generally don't believe in book burning, but...n/t albino65 Aug 2014 #73
Hilary Is Bought and PAID FOR by those.... rsmith6621 Aug 2014 #74
The corporations/banks count on HRC to return good value for their money. Divernan Aug 2014 #81
And Bill was no populist (in practice, at least.) So the bar's set pretty damned low. n/t X_Digger Aug 2014 #104
I think she will say something early this week. JaydenD Aug 2014 #78
After all these decades, if she can't assemble a competent team, imagine presidential appointments. Divernan Aug 2014 #82
Well, there go her chances of being the first black female president of the U.S. Baitball Blogger Aug 2014 #80
looks like it's her "Bachmann bathroom moment" MisterP Aug 2014 #83
Weak and shameful. Leader? I think not. nt LittleBlue Aug 2014 #84
She's old & in poor physical condition; keeping medical records secret. Divernan Aug 2014 #86
She was weak on gay marriage and shameful on Iraq. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #106
Ron Reagan at least smiled & PRETENDED he couldn't hear reporters' questions! Divernan Aug 2014 #85
The War And Wall Street Candidate Falls Flat On Civil Rights And Police Brutality cantbeserious Aug 2014 #87
There's no political advantage to commenting on this madville Aug 2014 #93
Ah, the old "who else are they going to vote for" strategy tularetom Aug 2014 #113
If she's the nominee. Iggo Aug 2014 #141
She isn't now nor never has been a candidate for the people. She represents Wall Street. nm rhett o rick Aug 2014 #94
How quickly we forget the racism in Hillary's 2008 campaign Oilwellian Aug 2014 #96
I won't EVER forget it. ariesgem Aug 2014 #109
Nor should you, it was shameful. We can do better. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #136
Yes we can.... ariesgem Aug 2014 #139
Such overt racism from both Clintons is disgusting to say the least, yet some people here still gleefully support em, amazing <SMH> InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #142
I think she's making (yet another) mistake ecstatic Aug 2014 #99
Nothing honest about a Wall Street corporatist; we need to look elsewhere. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2014 #137
Hahahahaha. ForgoTheConsequence Aug 2014 #105
WTF> IT WAS A BOOK SIGNING. You do not get to ask questions at a book signing. KittyWampus Aug 2014 #111
What's she supposed to say? BKH70041 Aug 2014 #117
But yet she expects the Black vote and in same percentages as Obama......... trublu992 Aug 2014 #130
So??? n/t 2naSalit Aug 2014 #132

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
138. And that is not what is needed right now, we need LEADERSHIP. This country needs
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 11:59 PM
Aug 2014

a MLK. Hillary is not that person. But she could have been. How sad.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
35. I completely agree with you. She gives the middle finger to left-wing minded people often.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:00 PM
Aug 2014

On matters of foreign policy and economic policy she's very, very brave in serving those who she intends on serving.

I'm afraid that extends to matters of the surveillance and police state as well.

Chasstev365

(5,191 posts)
45. No She's a Politician!
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:09 PM
Aug 2014

However, there are times when you have to rise up the single minded pursuit of "political strategy" and say what is right, even when some may disagree or you risk alienating people.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
69. Like when she had to duck from sniper fire? Oh wait, she "misspoke" about that.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:12 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR2008032102989.html
Sniper Fire, and Holes In Clinton's Recollection

(Photo caption) Hillary Rodham Clinton gets a kiss from Emina Bicakcic, 8, after landing at Tuzla Air Base during a March 1996 trip to Bosnia.

Saturday, March 22, 2008

Hillary Clinton has been regaling supporters on the campaign trail with hair-raising tales of a trip she made to Bosnia in March 1996. In her retelling, she was sent to places that her husband, President Bill Clinton, could not go because they were "too dangerous." When her account was challenged by one of her traveling companions, the comedian Sinbad, she upped the ante and injected even more drama into the story. In a speech earlier this week, she talked about "landing under sniper fire" and running for safety with "our heads down."

There are numerous problems with Clinton's version of events.

THE FACTS

As a reporter who visited Bosnia soon after the December 1995 Dayton peace agreement, I can attest that the physical risks were minimal during this period, particularly at a heavily fortified U.S. air base, such as Tuzla. Contrary to the claims of Hillary Clinton and former Army secretary Togo West, Bosnia was not "too dangerous" a place for President Clinton to visit in early 1996. In fact, the first Clinton to visit the Tuzla Air Base was not Hillary, but Bill, on Jan. 13, 1996.

Had Hillary Clinton's plane come "under sniper fire" in March 1996, we would certainly have heard about it long before now. Numerous reporters, including The Washington Post's John Pomfret, covered her trip. A review of nearly 100 news accounts of her visit shows that not a single newspaper or television station reported any security threat to the first lady. "As a former AP wire-service hack, I can safely say that it would have been in my lead had anything like that happened," Pomfret said.

According to Pomfret, the Tuzla airport was "one of the safest places in Bosnia" in March 1996 and "firmly under the control" of the 1st Armored Division.

Far from running to an airport building with their heads down, Clinton and her party were greeted on the tarmac by smiling U.S. and Bosnian officials. An 8-year-old Muslim girl, Emina Bicakcic, read a poem in English. An Associated Press photograph of the greeting ceremony, below, shows a smiling Clinton bending down to receive a kiss.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
71. HRC to star as Lady Robin in remake of Monty Python
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:17 PM
Aug 2014

Brave Lady Robin ran away.
("No!&quot
Bravely ran away away.
("I didn't!&quot
When danger reared it's ugly head,
She bravely turned her tail and fled.
("no!&quot
Yes, brave Lady Robin turned about
("She didn't!&quot
And gallantly she chickened out.

****Bravely**** taking ("I never did!&quot to her feet,
She beat a very brave retreat.
("all lies!&quot
Bravest of the braaaave, Lady Robin!
("She never!&quot

Read more: Monty Python - Brave Sir Robin Ran Away Lyrics | MetroLyrics

ohnoyoudidnt

(1,858 posts)
77. Someone who wants to be President shouldn't be afraid to speak their views on any subject.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:24 PM
Aug 2014

But maybe I am expecting too much.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
89. I strongly agree. She is very smart and knows that if she comments on Ferguson she will reveal
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:51 PM
Aug 2014

her disdain for the masses. Wasn't it H. Clinto-Sachs that said, "Let them eat cake"??

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
97. She is the Powers That Be heir apparent for the Presidency. Speaking out would only
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:57 PM
Aug 2014

lose her votes. I don't think of her as a coward but cunning. She knew what she was doing when she gave her support to The Bush Crime Family.

FarPoint

(12,352 posts)
20. You don't know or understand Hillary Clinton at all....
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:37 PM
Aug 2014

The word clueless comes to mind immediately.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
22. I understand her a lot better than you do.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:39 PM
Aug 2014

It boggles the mind how people like you can worship any of these morally bankrupt politicians.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
91. You provided no argument to dispel the idea that H. Clinton-Sachs represents the Aristocracy.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:53 PM
Aug 2014

Therefore I can only conclude that you support her position and you too support the Aristocracy.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
2. A group of people in this country are being systematically oppressed
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:14 PM
Aug 2014

and she can't bother to weigh in on it?

Fuck her.

RandySF

(58,799 posts)
3. And she was the one who made the "3am commercial"
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:15 PM
Aug 2014

If she cannot make a statement on police brutality, how is she going to handle an international crisis?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
65. You'd think her staff could have triangulated SOME spin by now!
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:58 PM
Aug 2014

Hillary and her staff are clearly between a rock and a hard place on this matter, and was unable to either anticipate the question OR think on her feet enough to come up with ANYTHING to say!

It's 3 A.M. and the phone rings at the White House. It's forwarded to an answering machine.

And as others have observed, it's August and all her corporate handlers are on vacation and unavailable to give instruction or approval to whatever she might possibly say. I mean, even the Masters of the Universe have to have some down time!

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
98. According to Bill, when Hillary made that grand faux pas about Bosnia
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:59 PM
Aug 2014

it was because she is old and it was past her bedtime and when you are old you say stupid things. And that she apologized immediately. More lies.



 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
8. Now, now. She can't afford to offend those fickle "moderates" and the Reagan Democrats
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:17 PM
Aug 2014

who are NEVER going to fucking vote for her.


It's obvious that she's nowhere near the politician that some people assumed her to be because of her relationship with Bubba. She's making all of the same mistakes with the base that she did last time out.

I can't fucking wait to see her go down in flames again.

FarPoint

(12,352 posts)
23. Why the hell should she?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:41 PM
Aug 2014

I support her choice at this time. No need to divert attention in her direction off of the real issues of Ferguson. All attention would focus on Hillary because the GOP is hunting for just such an opportunity ...why do them a favor,? Smart move by Hillary.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
25. Tell that to African American victims of police brutality
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:46 PM
Aug 2014

Blacks live in a constant state of fear of being executed while unarmed.

But it appears Hillary can't be bothered with that petty issue.

FarPoint

(12,352 posts)
27. Like I said previously, the diversion would harm the movement in favor of the GOP.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:51 PM
Aug 2014

Her speaking out even modestly serves the oppressors... I sense her heartfelt pain is equal to ours.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
28. Congratulations, you have won the Weakest Argument yet heard.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:54 PM
Aug 2014

her heartfelt pain.... o now you got me rolling with laughter but I still can't bring myself to use those dreadful smilies.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
33. You don't understand. If a Democratic politician keeps her powder dry for the perfect moment,
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:59 PM
Aug 2014

the Right Wing media won't engage in their standard dishonest, reflexive attacks.

Hillary, Bubba and their crack team of corporatist shills who lost them the last primary are furiously triangulating exactly when said "perfect moment" will occur as we speak.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
40. Yeah, because you know who really knows politics. The person who managed to lose in spite of having
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:05 PM
Aug 2014

more support from the media, party base and elected officials in her party than a non-incumbent going into a primary in US political history.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
44. Hillary is the one acting like a Freshman.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:09 PM
Aug 2014

After all this time of silence on Ferguson she couldn't be prepared with even a simple, Clintonian non speak reply to that question she and her crack team Knew would be waiting...

Can't wait for the debates.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
58. oh god. she has nothing . even dead children won't make her have couage of conviction, rednecks be
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:39 PM
Aug 2014

Damned. Anyone who would criticize even words meaning nothing but compassion for a family would be no opposition. She just fucking doesn't care.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
56. bull. you need to consider if she felt anything she woul speak. diversion is a cop out. even rand
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:35 PM
Aug 2014

Paul condemned this. She is dead to me.

Ecumenist

(6,086 posts)
131. You "SENSE" her heartfelt pain...WTF? Is that the same as looking into her eyes and seeing her
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 11:10 PM
Aug 2014

soul? Look, We people of African descent deserve to expect to be treated with respect and fairness, JUST LIKE ANY OTHER HUMAN BEING WHO IS AMERICAN. If this "woman" cannot be bothered to say "BOO" about something SO VERY IMPORTANT, FUCK HER. This is NOT a good start. I remember the bullshit she spouted the first time around regarding the comments her potential voters said regarding America's darker skinned children. FUCK HER and there IS NO excuse. PERIOD!!!

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
63. Not smart at all - if this were day 1 or 2, ok,
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:52 PM
Aug 2014

but by this time, she or someone on her side should have crafted a high minded, non controversial answer. THAT, would have gotten less response than refusing to answer.

I am not a politician, but something expressing condolences to his family and saying that beyond that, let's let the investigations and legal actions proceed without playing politics - seems obvious.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
70. You support her choice at this time? I can't go that far, I just support choice
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:13 PM
Aug 2014

two years out from the election. What is your hurry? Are you afraid of something, exposure perhaps?

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
112. Not at a book signing, she wouldn't. You realize that there are no conversations at book signings
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:37 PM
Aug 2014

when there are hundreds of people lined up and a limited amount of time to get them through the line?

You and everyone else on the line gets their book signed, a quick hello from the talent and out you go. No dallying.

Anyone who attempts to dally can face not the book store staff but the secret service.

Raine1967

(11,589 posts)
50. This is seriously problematic.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:31 PM
Aug 2014

I had heard this stat before, but seeing literally in black and white disturbs me.

I know it was her husbands administration, but what I want to see is Ms. Clinton speak out against this.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
126. Most of the MRAPS and Helicopters and Night Vision/Rocket Launchers are under Obama
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 10:11 PM
Aug 2014

as part of winding down the Wars that Bush built up. MRAPS didn't get out there until soldiers were being bombed in jeeps and they needed better equipment. It was 2007..when I looked it up on Wicki...Clinton didn't have us in Iraq or Afghanistan. His era was just office equipment...some old guns and stuff used in Bosnia that would be so outdated today it's already in the dump or was sent to China for scrap.

Response to RandySF (Original post)

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
9. well what's a candidate to do?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:18 PM
Aug 2014

Stand with the 1% or with the rest of us?

Certainly the wife of our "first black president" knows where she stands? Doesn't she?

4now

(1,596 posts)
13. This is getting embarrassing
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:24 PM
Aug 2014

Rand Paul writes an op-ed for Time. Saying many of the things the Dems should be saying.
and Hillary runs away from any questions.
Seriously can't she come up with the usual political double speak that politicians use all the time.
I am shocked.

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
17. Candidates and politicians have a habit of fleeing from
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:33 PM
Aug 2014

reporters asking uncomfortable questions:

Rand Paul runs away from Dreamers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PI8rCleTbSo


Michelle Bachmann almost breaks 4-minute mile racing down hallway to avoid reporter's questions:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=BVBxYlb0rAY


Sometimes they even hide--like Bachmann, whose head can barely be seen from behind those bushes!

4now

(1,596 posts)
26. Saying that Hillary does the same things as Bachman
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:48 PM
Aug 2014

Doesn't fill me with a lot of hope.
Are there videos of Obama running away from reporters on the campaign trail?

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
14. She should have written a note on her hand.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:30 PM
Aug 2014


At the very least. What a continuing treasure trove of disappointment.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
15. This proves it to me again
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:31 PM
Aug 2014

that HRC is not politically savvy, nor can she connect well with people.

Even I could have come up with the rather neutral answer: "It was a very sad tragedy."

The fact that she could not find a word about it, and instead ignored the questions totally shows how badly

she reacts - just politically speaking - when unprepared or without a handler.

Mind you, since I am not running for office, I call it a bloody murder.

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
18. But did they buy books to be signed?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:34 PM
Aug 2014

They probably should have gotten books, gotten in line, and asked their questions while she was signing.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
114. The ONLY way you get into the store during a book signing is to buy the book and have it signed
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:41 PM
Aug 2014

Absolutely no one else goes into that store on the day Hillary/Politician is doing a book signing.

The store has been closed early that day, staff background checked, bomb-sniffing dogs gone through.

Nobody asks Hillary/famous politician anything. You get your books signed and move on.

That's it.

And there are hundreds and hundreds of people in line.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
121. It sounds quite correct that 700 people standing in line to get a book signed
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:49 PM
Aug 2014

could hardly expect a conversation let alone to have questions answered.

The problem is that it was not questions asked by those standing in line to get a book signed, it was questions asked by reporters after she signed 700 books, you did not appear to read the OP. Or you do not understand that reporters ask questions of politicians and ignoring them and running away, although certainly an option, is at best poor political judgement and at worst cowardice regarding the question.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
36. Obviously she believes she can win the presidency without African American voters
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:01 PM
Aug 2014

Trashing the foreign policy of the black president who gave her a job, then clamming up when asked to comment on murder of a black teenager by police, isn't going to do a lot to endear her to a voting bloc she needs if she has any hope of being elected.

Louisiana1976

(3,962 posts)
41. Right on! She must think white women alone will get her elected. But little does she know there
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:05 PM
Aug 2014

are also white women who care about what happened in Ferguson.

 

Chakab

(1,727 posts)
42. We haven't forgotten the way that she tried to play working class whites and Latinos against
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:08 PM
Aug 2014

professionals, young voters and black people when the chips were down at the end of the last primary.

I know that a lot of people like to pretend that it never happened, but we haven't forgotten.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
102. Clinton and 'hard working white americans'.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:06 PM
Aug 2014
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/clinton-touts-white-support/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0

As if the divisions between race and gender in the Democratic Party hadn’t been further exposed through Tuesday night’s exit polls — and by a very heated exchange on CNN between Donna Brazile and Paul Begala — Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s interview with USA Today on Wednesday is further mining those tense depths.

“I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on,” she said in the interview, citing an article by The Associated Press.

It “found how Senator Obama’s support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me.”

“There’s a pattern emerging here,” she said.


Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
125. I believe it is much simpler, I am sure she honestly believes that minorities and other liberals
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 10:00 PM
Aug 2014

will vote for her because, "who else are you going to vote for, a Republican?". It is the DLC mantra and a major tenant of their philosophy and why they often ignore everyone left of center right. A mantra they have been chanting to themselves for so many years they believe that there are no limits to the power of this New Democratic strategy.

No need to over think it, the same reason applies to her neocon and anti-Obama rantings of late, it is the standard DLC playbook, appeal to the Reaganites and the center right (and often even farther right) and just trust in the "who else you gonna vote for" strategy to take care of voters left of the right.

The sad part is, she may well be correct as this strategy has worked for nearly thirty years.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
127. They aren't going to vote for a Repug...so she has them...and the rest of us Dems..
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 10:14 PM
Aug 2014

She's got us...and she's going for the Republicans to cut off the Tea Party. It's what her "advisers" have told her to do. Hillary listens to Mark Penn and other Third Way advisers and the Think Tanks and Wall Steet Guru's who fund her and who are her "guides."

She's got us...because we have no where else to go.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
129. We have somewhere else to go - none of the above
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 10:40 PM
Aug 2014

I'm not going to vote for a republican regardless of which party nominates him or her.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
39. She really needs to voice her opinion on this very important issue.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:05 PM
Aug 2014

It actually surprising she is holding back. Its not really that difficult to come up with something that shows she is at least interested and cares about what going on.

ariesgem

(1,634 posts)
43. Cowardly, Predictable AND Tone Deaf....
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:08 PM
Aug 2014

It seems as though the only time we (black folks) are on her radar is when she's on the campaign trail fishing for our votes. I always found her a day late and dollar short on issues that matter to me. If she runs and secures the nomination, you'll see her in the black churches turning on her preachy voice to ask for our votes. She'll find out that we have long memories and will NOT just give her a pass on her silence about Ferguson and related matters of police abuse. This issue runs DEEP with us.

Its insulting that she does not care enough to speak out about this. And btw, I haven't heard anything about her husband, "our 1st black President" commenting about this either.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
49. It'll be interesting watching Hillary these next couple years...
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:22 PM
Aug 2014

If she thinks she can succeed by alienating one of the largest voting blocs the party has to offer - especially if she runs against Obama, who has soaring approval among black voters - she's going to be in for a difficult time.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
52. Look, stop asking questions. She's inevitable.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:33 PM
Aug 2014

And unless you have a candidate that can beat her in polling right now you have to just suck it up.

And pay no attention to the guy with a funny name who didn't even get to single-digits in 2006 polls.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
101. OMG! I forgot about her vote for cluster bombs - how could ANY parent vote for that?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:05 PM
Aug 2014
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/study-says-almost-all-cluster-bomb-victims-are-children-422743.html

Friday 03 November 2006

As many as 98 per cent of victims of cluster bombs over the past three decades have been civilians, a third of them children, a report has disclosed.

The study of 24 countries and regions by the humanitarian pressure group Handicap International showed that the weapons, still being used by government forces including those of the UK, have killed or maimed 11,044 people.
This is the first attempt to collate data about cluster-bomb victims worldwide, and it warns that under-reporting of cases in places such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Vietnam means the real figure could be almost 10 times higher.


Around 27 per cent of the (reported) victims were children, mainly boys who were working or playing in areas where the munition had been used.


Hey, hey! All you preachers of inevitability - got the courage to look at these photos of child victims?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Cluster+bombs+children+photo

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
107. And her heart's all atwitter about becoming a grandma!
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:26 PM
Aug 2014

I found it shocking that she paraded Chelsea up in front of a roomful of people to announce Chelsea's pregnancy, WITHOUT Chelsea's husband by her side!

I used to think that if we had more elected women in congress, let alone the white house, that our government wouldn't be so ready to go to war. You know, less testosterone floating around. And that mothers, being nurturing, would not heartlessly sacrifice the nation's young to the gods of war. I still hope that is the case, and that HRC is just an aberrant +3 deviation to the normal bell curve.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
110. Lots of gramma's hearts were atwitter watching their grandchildren blown up in wars
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:28 PM
Aug 2014

but the special snowflakes never have to worry about that.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
116. many have
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:09 PM
Aug 2014

some seemed to be a bit surprised a while back to find out she isn't a supporter of single-payer.

I've grown weary of having to make the lesser of two evils choice. The only thing that keeps me hooked are the SCOTUS appointments, and I sincerely hope that who she'd put there becomes a question she's compelled to answer well before the election.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
55. Currently Hillary does not hold a public office. For all who jump on the bash hillary wagon,
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:35 PM
Aug 2014

She has fought for Civil Rights for a very long time. If you read and listen to the news lately every word she says is twisted, vetted, abused, and simply lied in interruptions. She hasn't announced her candidacy and may not ever. Go trash Rand Paul or Paul Ryan.

RandySF

(58,799 posts)
57. I'll call out whomever I please.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:38 PM
Aug 2014

She's all but declared and, despite everything, our likely candidate. So it's sure as hell better to call her out now and make her think about these missteps before September, 2016.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
122. Despite what some people like to think
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:50 PM
Aug 2014

God does not pick the Democratic nominee, the voters do. I guess the crown and throne will have to wait.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
115. Well, the OP article that you posted is asinine. It was a book signing. NOBODY asks questions.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:42 PM
Aug 2014

It is absolutely nothing but hundreds of people getting their book signed. No questions, conversations.

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
79. The problem is she was happy to criticize Obama's FP and take sides with Israel
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:24 PM
Aug 2014

unconditionally re. Gaza. These were recent events and now all of a sudden she's on lockdown.

It's stupid to avoid these questions. She's either flat-footed or taking Bill's bad advice again.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
88. She has been advised not to make statements per Donna Bazille, she cant change
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:49 PM
Aug 2014

The way things are handled. After her interview and the distortion which resulted no comments is the results. Good idea to let the tabloids do the talking, we know they are not truthful.

BeyondGeography

(39,370 posts)
108. I never understood the sudden intensity of her PR campaign
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:26 PM
Aug 2014

With the book, it seemed a clumsy attempt to mimic the rollout impact of Obama/Audacity of Hope, but that didn't come out until the fall of 2006.

Which gives us two problems with the book; it came out too early and it tanked. Three if you count the related interview faux pas.

I'm fully on board with her taking a low profile, but she still has to promote the book, which puts her in public. Someone really messed up on the publication date. Wrong Choice.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
140. Except when we're told she's inevitable (again) and the primaries are just a formality.
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 02:27 AM
Aug 2014

...if she's not running, it's moot.

But lets not kid ourselves. We all know she's running, and the President needs to deal with what is going on in the nation, even if they haven't had time to focus-test their positions.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
60. Mark my words
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 06:44 PM
Aug 2014

Utilizing a prevent defense strategy two years prior to the election will be her downfall.

indivisibleman

(482 posts)
66. disturbing to say the least.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:00 PM
Aug 2014

The more she avoids speaking on this issue the less apt I am to vote for her if she runs.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
67. Al Sharpton: Hillary, don't get laryngitis on this issue.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:05 PM
Aug 2014
At a rally earlier this month about the killing, Rev. Al Sharpton, a civil rights leader and host on MSNBC, said, "Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton, don’t get laryngitis on this issue."

(From the OP's link)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
90. She does not currently hold a public office, it is time for those in public office to speak up.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:53 PM
Aug 2014

She has fought for civil rights for many years, we know where she stands.

George II

(67,782 posts)
95. Excuse me?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:55 PM
Aug 2014

"She does not currently hold a public office, it is time for those in public office to speak up."

So do you agree with me?

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
100. Yes, it only brings more trashing of whatever she says or dosent say.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:02 PM
Aug 2014

Let those in official capabilities speak out.

rsmith6621

(6,942 posts)
74. Hilary Is Bought and PAID FOR by those....
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:22 PM
Aug 2014


.....who wish to oppress the middle class. She is not as much for the middle class as her Husband was. With Hilary corporation will still continue from sending their profits offshore, she will let unions continue to be attacked and use of Big OIL will continue to rule the USA, Hilary does not support alternative energy policy's.


Hilary has to reward her true friends that work to defeat YOU and I.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
81. The corporations/banks count on HRC to return good value for their money.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:25 PM
Aug 2014

The same reason they make well publicized contributions to that vanity non-profit Clinton Family Foundation - good ole quid pro quo.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
78. I think she will say something early this week.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:24 PM
Aug 2014

They know this can't be avoided, or at least they should know, but her teams aren't exactly the cream of the crop either.

Early this week she will say something short and non descript and Be Done With It! feh, go away you pesky little people.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
82. After all these decades, if she can't assemble a competent team, imagine presidential appointments.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:28 PM
Aug 2014

Look at the mess in the Clinton foundation, as revealed in that searing New York Times expose. Those were old and trusted Clinton hands who proved unable to control either Clinton. The Clintons are notorious for not being able to separate charitable actions from money making opportunities.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
86. She's old & in poor physical condition; keeping medical records secret.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:45 PM
Aug 2014

And don't anyone call me ageist - I'm 72! We call them "senior moments" when we can't recall something. So maybe her handlers have put together a statement, but she was so exhausted after signing all those books, she couldn't remember it.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
85. Ron Reagan at least smiled & PRETENDED he couldn't hear reporters' questions!
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:42 PM
Aug 2014
http://reagan2020.us/tributes/noonan_3.asp
The morning of the state funeral hundreds and hundreds of us were in line to get into the Cathedral. It was to start at 11:30, but we are Republicans: we were in line at 9:15. I saw Bob Kimmitt, formerly of the National Security Council, and Marlin Fitzwater, former Reagan press secretary, who sometimes came into my office to lie on the couch and smoke his cigar and hide out from reporters. . . . .
Suddenly at the fence, looking down at us, were Sam Donaldson and Barbara Walters. They had come by to say hello. Sam called down to us in a merry way, and we answered. Then I said to everyone around me, "In honor of the boss, when Sam talks to us let's cup our ears and say, 'I can't hear you!' " Everyone laughed.

Sam said something. We put our hands to our ears. "We can't hear you!," we ch"anted. Sam called down something else. "We can't hear you!," we chanted. "It's the helicopter! Sorry!

madville

(7,410 posts)
93. There's no political advantage to commenting on this
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:54 PM
Aug 2014

If she is the nominee she is pretty much guaranteed 85%+ of the African-American vote whether she comments or not, who else are they going to vote for?

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
113. Ah, the old "who else are they going to vote for" strategy
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:41 PM
Aug 2014

She's making a big mistake if she thinks that she can get elected without African American voters.

She's making an even bigger mistake if she thinks they will vote for her because "who else are they going to vote for".

If we don't get rid of this anchor around our necks we will wind up with President Rand Paul. Think about that for a minute. If Hilarity doesn't clean up her act she will not win a general election. President Rand Paul?? You okay with that?

Not me.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
96. How quickly we forget the racism in Hillary's 2008 campaign
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:56 PM
Aug 2014

The Clintons could give a shit about minorities and have been overtly racist for years.

ariesgem

(1,634 posts)
139. Yes we can....
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 01:59 AM
Aug 2014

Clinton's 2008 campaign against Obama was disgusting....it forever left a bad taste with me.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
142. Such overt racism from both Clintons is disgusting to say the least, yet some people here still gleefully support em, amazing <SMH>
Mon Aug 25, 2014, 05:04 PM
Aug 2014

ecstatic

(32,701 posts)
99. I think she's making (yet another) mistake
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:01 PM
Aug 2014

People aren't necessarily looking for someone to agree with 100% of the time. They just want someone who is straight forward without too much flip flopping, double speak or concern about the fallout or polls. Even when we don't agree, most of us can respect someone who shares their honest opinions.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
105. Hahahahaha.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:24 PM
Aug 2014

Don't worry, when this whole thing is over Hillary will be first out front with a speech, I'm sure she has a couple already written depending on what the outcome is.


The strong leader America needs!

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
111. WTF> IT WAS A BOOK SIGNING. You do not get to ask questions at a book signing.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:35 PM
Aug 2014

You buy the book the day before, line up with hundreds and hundreds of other people and then wait in line until finally you hand your book over to staff who then gives it to Hillary/Politician and they sign it, she says hello to you and you move out the store.

It doesn't matter if it was a "reporter". If it was a book signing THERE ARE NO CONVERSATIONS.

The staff of the bookstore has been background checked. Bomb sniffing dogs have gone through the building, secret service men are scattered throughout the store.

And I highly doubt the "reporters" were anything more than bloggers who decided they'd try the impossible and then smear Hillary.

There are so many reasons not to want Hillary for POTUS but DU and some of the ideologues on the Left are really ridiculous.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
117. What's she supposed to say?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:24 PM
Aug 2014

There's nothing concrete to discuss except that a law officer shot and killed an 18 year old. The facts have not been established, there has been no arrest or charges made, and there's no evidence it was racially motivated. Of course there are individuals making these claims, but that's all it is; opinions.

So what is she supposed to say? She's sorry it happened? She's sorry for the family of the young man and for the officer and his family for all they're going through?

She certainly shouldn't say what the majority of the members of this site are saying. That would be the height of stupidity.

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