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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy I would love a race between Hillary Clinton and Rand Paul
Watching her totally dismantle that freak would be a lot of fun.
leftstreet
(36,106 posts)wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has said repeatedly that she won't run for president in 2016, and yet the idea persists: That Hillary Clinton could find herself vulnerable to a more liberal primary opponent.
The problem? Almost all of the most recent data suggests that Clinton doesn't have any real problems on her left flank. Indeed, she's actually stronger with liberals than she is with more moderate Democrats. And very, very few liberals have anything but nice things to say about her.
To wit:
* A new CNN/Opinion Research poll shows that when voters are asked whether they would prefer Clinton, a more liberal alternative or a more conservative one, about twice as many non-Clinton voters say they prefer the more conservative one (20 percent) to the more liberal one (11 percent).
* A Washington Post/ABC News poll this month showed Clinton taking a bigger share of the vote in the 2016 primary among self-described liberals (72 percent) than among moderate and conservative Democrats (60 percent).
* The same poll shows 18 percent of moderate Democrats don't want Clinton to run. Just 6 percent of liberal Democrats agree.
* The WaPo-ABC poll also shows liberal Democrats approve of Clinton's tenure at the State Department by a margin of 96-1, while moderate Democrats approve of it 84-12. Sixty-seven percent of liberals strongly approve of Clinton's performance, nearly 9 in 10 say she is a strong leader, and only slightly fewer say she's honest and trustworthy.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/hillary-clinton-doesnt-have-a-problem-with-liberals-not-hardly/
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)She then park safely to the far right, saying "hey, at least I would not kill Social Security", as the race would be between someone who is barely left of reagan, and someone like Paul who is barely left of Hitler.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)the last refuge of those without facts.
Honestly, are you going to deny that she is a war monger, and that she supports TPP? If Ron Paul manages to sell the idea of "I will end the Middle east wars" which is his paltform, he can do damage.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)Who said "assad must go?"
Who said that she would have sent troops to Syria?
Who said she would obliterate Iran?
Who helped make the TPP?
Come back when the answer to all of those is NOT Hillary Clinton.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Who said "hey, at least I would not kill Social Security." Oh, that was you.
Who said "assad must go?"
How is that right wing?
Who said that she would have sent troops to Syria?
How is that right wing?
Who said she would obliterate Iran?
If they obliterated Israel. How is that rightwing?
Who helped make the TPP?
Um, Barack Obama?
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)hoew sending troops to syria is rightg wing, the point of this is over.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)... how taking out someone who gassed his people isn't righ wing, the point of this is over.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)leftstreet
(36,106 posts)What I mean is, the DLC 3rdWayer billionaire wannabes currently lining their pockets with corporate money won't really give a shit if the GOP makes gains with populism down the road
They're just looking out for themselves and their 'royal' descendants
Progressive dog
(6,900 posts)bot it's the right thing to do IMO.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)And watching her sending troops to everyplace in the world, not fun at all.
So she can beat the crap out of any republican? Wow, big fuckin deal. But what can we expect from her after she is elected?
I'm not optimistic.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)JaydenD
(294 posts)Because you seem to be very sure Hillary will be the nominee and the victor, like you had a special vision.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)No, apparently the word "fact" has different meaning to people like you. To you it's a squishy feeling you get.
JaydenD
(294 posts)You said Hillary would be a good/great/wonderful/brillian/best President, or words to that effect. That is pretty freaking wild.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)I said 'show me.' You gave me an un-sourced quote you just made up. But in your zeal to do that you, again, made a claim only true psychic could make.
Maybe this will help you:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Some of the comments in this thread are bizarre.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)is going to "push single payer".
Wanna buy this? I can get you a hell of a deal.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)dsc
(52,160 posts)which were a little over 20 years ago, was to the left of Obama care. I mean really, do we not print history books anymore.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Why are you attempting to define her by citing a 20 year old proposal?
She left that thinking behind years ago when it became apparent that the groups she wanted to be part of would never support it.
dsc
(52,160 posts)you know the election she lost to Obama, her plan was to the left of his then too.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)needs.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)husbands administration....
but you must have been just a tadpole then!
pipoman
(16,038 posts)How about we demand a candidate for the 99% this time?
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)And to see that laughable threat coming from some here makes it all the more hilarious.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Rand Paul is a Conservative-Leaning Libertarian.
Hillary Clinton is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.
conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)I get sick of people thinking every election has to be some revolutionary moment.
America is on a pretty good track right now and Hillary will keep us on the rails.
Louisiana1976
(3,962 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,024 posts)a racist Jackbooted cop, agribusiness, extraction baron, an education deformer, a weapons manufacturer, a banker, or a private prison exec.
Shit, we aren't even on a good track to have fucking water and the rights privatized for future extraction of the public.
We are on track for a dystopia, if that is "pretty good" to you then I hate to even try to imagine what you might think of as the wrong track.
Mad Max on steroids without the sappy tenderness of post apocalyptic struggle for survival in chaos?
Yavin4
(35,438 posts)He's never going to get the nomination. Done. Over. Finished.
Generic Brad
(14,274 posts)That would definitely be the result.