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Why I would love a race between Hillary Clinton and Rand Paul (Original Post) wyldwolf Aug 2014 OP
Hillary could get a lot more Republican voters than Paul could n/t leftstreet Aug 2014 #1
and more liberal ones. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #2
and then DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #3
DonCoquixote has next week's powerball numbers for us all. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #5
cute joke DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #11
after your post #3, you're going to claim someone doesn't have facts?? wyldwolf Aug 2014 #12
ok DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #14
ok wyldwolf Aug 2014 #15
if you cannot see DonCoquixote Aug 2014 #16
If you cannot see wyldwolf Aug 2014 #17
Letting the GOP have the monopoly on antiwar, anti-establishment candidates is a big mistake IMO. CJCRANE Aug 2014 #4
Not really. It'll take several election cycles before consequences leftstreet Aug 2014 #10
Letting the GOP have the anti-reality vote might be a mistake, Progressive dog Aug 2014 #37
Watching her dismantle Obamacare after she is elected, not quite as much fun tularetom Aug 2014 #6
...and another psychic in our midst. wyldwolf Aug 2014 #8
and is it tarot cards that You use? Throwing chicken bones? JaydenD Aug 2014 #31
show me a wild and unsubstantiated claim I've made wyldwolf Aug 2014 #32
Okay I will JaydenD Aug 2014 #33
But you didn't wyldwolf Aug 2014 #34
Huh? She's more likely to push single payer. joshcryer Aug 2014 #19
You're telling me that the candidate who gets 6 figure speaking fees from Wall Street banksters tularetom Aug 2014 #20
Read Blair's journals? joshcryer Aug 2014 #22
Nothing I like more than cryptic responses tularetom Aug 2014 #25
Her health care plan in the 90's dsc Aug 2014 #23
She got beaten around the head and shoulders for that plan and hasn't uttered a peep since tularetom Aug 2014 #24
Her plan in 08 dsc Aug 2014 #26
I hope you're right about her being more likely to push single payer. That's what this country Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #28
why on earth would she do that....she tried to get us Universal Single Payer during her VanillaRhapsody Aug 2014 #27
Hillary is more o'the same. ..rand isn't going to be a candidate pipoman Aug 2014 #7
I love the threat that if Hillary runs, Paul will run and beat her. NightWatcher Aug 2014 #9
You may not love to have him as president of the US, one bad one in a century is enoigh. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #18
Seems like Paul doesnt fit the picture of a DNC candidate, Hillary does. Thinkingabout Aug 2014 #13
Me too. conservaphobe Aug 2014 #21
What we need is a more progressive Democratic candidate. Louisiana1976 Aug 2014 #29
"America is on a pretty good track right now" is delusional unless you are an evil billionaire, TheKentuckian Aug 2014 #36
Rand openly supported pulling funding for Israel. His campaign is D.O.A. Yavin4 Aug 2014 #30
I haven't seen a girl beat up a guy since grade school Generic Brad Aug 2014 #35

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
2. and more liberal ones.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:24 PM
Aug 2014
Hillary Clinton doesn’t have a problem with liberals. Not hardly.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has said repeatedly that she won't run for president in 2016, and yet the idea persists: That Hillary Clinton could find herself vulnerable to a more liberal primary opponent.

The problem? Almost all of the most recent data suggests that Clinton doesn't have any real problems on her left flank. Indeed, she's actually stronger with liberals than she is with more moderate Democrats. And very, very few liberals have anything but nice things to say about her.

To wit:

* A new CNN/Opinion Research poll shows that when voters are asked whether they would prefer Clinton, a more liberal alternative or a more conservative one, about twice as many non-Clinton voters say they prefer the more conservative one (20 percent) to the more liberal one (11 percent).

* A Washington Post/ABC News poll this month showed Clinton taking a bigger share of the vote in the 2016 primary among self-described liberals (72 percent) than among moderate and conservative Democrats (60 percent).

* The same poll shows 18 percent of moderate Democrats don't want Clinton to run. Just 6 percent of liberal Democrats agree.



* The WaPo-ABC poll also shows liberal Democrats approve of Clinton's tenure at the State Department by a margin of 96-1, while moderate Democrats approve of it 84-12. Sixty-seven percent of liberals strongly approve of Clinton's performance, nearly 9 in 10 say she is a strong leader, and only slightly fewer say she's honest and trustworthy.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/hillary-clinton-doesnt-have-a-problem-with-liberals-not-hardly/

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
3. and then
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:26 PM
Aug 2014

She then park safely to the far right, saying "hey, at least I would not kill Social Security", as the race would be between someone who is barely left of reagan, and someone like Paul who is barely left of Hitler.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
11. cute joke
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:37 PM
Aug 2014

the last refuge of those without facts.

Honestly, are you going to deny that she is a war monger, and that she supports TPP? If Ron Paul manages to sell the idea of "I will end the Middle east wars" which is his paltform, he can do damage.

DonCoquixote

(13,616 posts)
14. ok
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:45 PM
Aug 2014

Who said "assad must go?"
Who said that she would have sent troops to Syria?
Who said she would obliterate Iran?
Who helped make the TPP?

Come back when the answer to all of those is NOT Hillary Clinton.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
15. ok
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:49 PM
Aug 2014

Who said "hey, at least I would not kill Social Security." Oh, that was you.

Who said "assad must go?"

How is that right wing?

Who said that she would have sent troops to Syria?

How is that right wing?

Who said she would obliterate Iran?

If they obliterated Israel. How is that rightwing?

Who helped make the TPP?

Um, Barack Obama?


wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
17. If you cannot see
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:55 PM
Aug 2014

... how taking out someone who gassed his people isn't righ wing, the point of this is over.

leftstreet

(36,106 posts)
10. Not really. It'll take several election cycles before consequences
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:32 PM
Aug 2014

What I mean is, the DLC 3rdWayer billionaire wannabes currently lining their pockets with corporate money won't really give a shit if the GOP makes gains with populism down the road

They're just looking out for themselves and their 'royal' descendants

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
6. Watching her dismantle Obamacare after she is elected, not quite as much fun
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:28 PM
Aug 2014

And watching her sending troops to everyplace in the world, not fun at all.

So she can beat the crap out of any republican? Wow, big fuckin deal. But what can we expect from her after she is elected?

I'm not optimistic.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
31. and is it tarot cards that You use? Throwing chicken bones?
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:43 PM
Aug 2014

Because you seem to be very sure Hillary will be the nominee and the victor, like you had a special vision.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
32. show me a wild and unsubstantiated claim I've made
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:48 PM
Aug 2014

No, apparently the word "fact" has different meaning to people like you. To you it's a squishy feeling you get.

 

JaydenD

(294 posts)
33. Okay I will
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 10:02 PM
Aug 2014

You said Hillary would be a good/great/wonderful/brillian/best President, or words to that effect. That is pretty freaking wild.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
34. But you didn't
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 10:04 PM
Aug 2014

I said 'show me.' You gave me an un-sourced quote you just made up. But in your zeal to do that you, again, made a claim only true psychic could make.

Maybe this will help you:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fact

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
20. You're telling me that the candidate who gets 6 figure speaking fees from Wall Street banksters
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 07:53 PM
Aug 2014

is going to "push single payer".

Wanna buy this? I can get you a hell of a deal.

dsc

(52,160 posts)
23. Her health care plan in the 90's
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:41 PM
Aug 2014

which were a little over 20 years ago, was to the left of Obama care. I mean really, do we not print history books anymore.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
24. She got beaten around the head and shoulders for that plan and hasn't uttered a peep since
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:44 PM
Aug 2014

Why are you attempting to define her by citing a 20 year old proposal?

She left that thinking behind years ago when it became apparent that the groups she wanted to be part of would never support it.

dsc

(52,160 posts)
26. Her plan in 08
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:47 PM
Aug 2014

you know the election she lost to Obama, her plan was to the left of his then too.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
27. why on earth would she do that....she tried to get us Universal Single Payer during her
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:58 PM
Aug 2014

husbands administration....

but you must have been just a tadpole then!

 

pipoman

(16,038 posts)
7. Hillary is more o'the same. ..rand isn't going to be a candidate
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:28 PM
Aug 2014

How about we demand a candidate for the 99% this time?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
9. I love the threat that if Hillary runs, Paul will run and beat her.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:29 PM
Aug 2014

And to see that laughable threat coming from some here makes it all the more hilarious.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
13. Seems like Paul doesnt fit the picture of a DNC candidate, Hillary does.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 05:45 PM
Aug 2014

Rand Paul is a Conservative-Leaning Libertarian.

Hillary Clinton is a Populist-Leaning Liberal.

 

conservaphobe

(1,284 posts)
21. Me too.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 08:02 PM
Aug 2014

I get sick of people thinking every election has to be some revolutionary moment.

America is on a pretty good track right now and Hillary will keep us on the rails.

TheKentuckian

(25,024 posts)
36. "America is on a pretty good track right now" is delusional unless you are an evil billionaire,
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 11:00 PM
Aug 2014

a racist Jackbooted cop, agribusiness, extraction baron, an education deformer, a weapons manufacturer, a banker, or a private prison exec.

Shit, we aren't even on a good track to have fucking water and the rights privatized for future extraction of the public.

We are on track for a dystopia, if that is "pretty good" to you then I hate to even try to imagine what you might think of as the wrong track.
Mad Max on steroids without the sappy tenderness of post apocalyptic struggle for survival in chaos?

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
30. Rand openly supported pulling funding for Israel. His campaign is D.O.A.
Sun Aug 24, 2014, 09:38 PM
Aug 2014

He's never going to get the nomination. Done. Over. Finished.

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