CNN Breaking:Alleged audio tape of Michael Brown killing emerges.

[nolabear]

If this thing is true it's incredibly damning. In the background of an audio of a man's voice, a dozen shots with a BIG pause in the middle of them. Given to an attorney.

Watch CNN coverage. It's going to get interesting.

[cal04]

1. Youtube video

We all heard this on MIP (sirius) tonight
Just heard the repeat of the show and towards the end of the show, they played it and said it was new evidence

[nolabear]

2. Thank you!

I was watching the Emmys so don't know when this broke.

[cal04]

3. They just now released the audio

but when I was listening to Mark Thompson, who ever had the audio played it

[JimDandy]

5. 7 seconds and he's dead

1 bullet...2,3,4,5,6 paaaaauuusseee 7...8,9,10. DEAD.

Not even enough time for Michael to scream out in pain... but enough time for Officer Darren Dean Wilson to have stopped shooting before the last fatal volley of bullets.

ETA: And this audio doesn't catch the sound of any alleged first shot in the officer's car, so prossibly eleven shots in all.

[calimary]

6. Yikes.

Also makes you wonder if Mike Brown was running and the cop was running after him. Ten shots counted??? The medical examiners said there were Brown was shot six times. So four shots evidently missed - maybe because they were both running and it was harder for the officer to aim?

[starroute]

8. Eyewitnesses did indicate several missed shots

It sounds like Wilson hit Brown once as he was running away but missed several more times. I think I read somewhere that one shot hit a house.

Then Brown turned around and Wilson fired a barrage of shots at him, most of which hit.

[lunasun]

96. Yes one bullet hit a house people were in at the time!

[trumad]

74. Wow---

Cold blooded murder

[spanone]

4. sounds like ten shots....

[Moostache]

9. Sounded more like a full 12 round clip to me.

I have thought since the beginning that Murderer Wilson fired everything he had without reloading and my understanding is that a weapon like the one he was carrying would have 12 rounds in it...

[Travis_0004]

80. I doubt he fired every round from his magazine

Its somewhat likely he had a glock. Assuming a .40 cal (which I think I read was used) that would give him a magazine capacity of 15 rounds.

Even a compact glock .40 has a 13 round magazine.

The XD 40 has a 12 round mag but it should have been loaded with 13 rounds.

There is really now way for us to know now if the gun was empty but it would have been obvious at the scene of the crime and it will come out.

[Rex]

84. Sounds like he almost emptied a clip.

10- 12 shots fired.

[conservaphobe]

7. Time to arrest the asshole. nt

[951-Riverside]

12. You know the person who recorded it is going to be arrested on some bullshit charge

Its just how the "brotherhood" rolls.

[conservaphobe]

16. Let 'em try.

He has a lawyer and is in communication with the FBI.

They should charge them for tampering with a federal witness if they do.

[Mr Dixon]

72. SMH

Agreed same thing happened in NY.

[ReRe]

10. The lawyer of the person...

... (who inadvertently taped the sound while on his computer) said the FBI was contacted and that they had spoken to the owner of the tape and to the lawyer & the FBI has the recording and are investigating.

[wheniwasincongress]

55. Thanks for the info

Sounds like the person has got all their ducks in a row. Good job recorder person

[bluesbassman]

11. Not sure I understand the timeline now...

If a round went off in the patrol car (the 1st shot) how did Wilson get out of the car and continue shooting like that? Surely there would've had to have been some delay as he exited the vehicle. This audio indicates no delay what ever.

Or has the round discharged in the "struggle" for the gun already been debunked? Hard to keep track.

[Dems to Win]

13. I feel sorry for the guy who is speaking

His flirtatious phone message is now going to be heard by about a billion people.

But of course justice for Mike is more important. I'm glad it was handed over.

[conservaphobe]

17. Me too.

That guy is scrupulous for sure.

He could have deleted it, but justice was more important to him.

Good guy.

[JimDandy]

19. I don't. He did the right thing.

And he has a sexy voice and a good heart. Hopefully the lady he was chatting with thinks so too. A win-win for justice and love...

[davidpdx]

22. I'm glad the audio came out if it is authentic

The small clip of the conversation we heard is kind of creepy though. I listened to it the first few times CNN played it and then muted it the next half dozen times as it just is so strange it bothered me.

[joshcryer]

65. Attraction and flirting can be so hokey.

I agree it's potentially weird and creepy but if the lady knew him and it wasn't unsolicited it should be left alone. Hopefully it can be authenticated and if it's real there aren't efforts to sabotage that guys' image. He'll have to testify in court, personally, to verify the veracity of the recording (even if other means can verify it).

It actually sounds like someone talking to a cam girl or something which itself is really creepy but if the guy felt it was accurate and came forward with it he should be applauded.

[951-Riverside]

14. How did CNN vett this recording?

Are they 100% sure this came from a someone living nearby because I could very well see the "brotherhood" releasing a phony recording to the Media just so they can "discredit" it later.

[Lex]

26. CNN 100% sure?

Oh no I don't think so.

[moondust]

33. CNN can't verify it.

The lawyer says the guy was on a video chat when the shots were fired, in which case it may be possible to verify the time and location of the recording with the ISP/chat service/whoever. Of course that could take some time.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

18. Where did this come from?

Did the guy who recorded it give it to CNN? Or is this another selective leak from the Ferguson PD? Somehow, I didn't picture the shots being so many and in such a compact period of time. If Wilson shot at Brown as he was fleeing, this wouldn't seem to give Brown time to stop his momentum, turn, and then bull rush. I counted 10 shots in a very brief space of time.

[davidpdx]

21. No, his lawyer gave it to CNN

Apparently he contacted the lawyer through someone else.

I also counted 10, but admit I could be wrong given how fast the shots went off. There was a quick pause in shots maybe a half a second or so.

[951-Riverside]

23. So the recording came from a lawyer who got it from a guy, who got it from THE guy who recorded it?

Do I understand this right?

I sure hope CNN has a lot more than this otherwise this reeks of a setup. I need a lot more than "We have a recording", a back story would be nice like was this recorded from a webcam?

[Lex]

24. There's probably a way to verify the location and time it was recorded.

Those phones record all that. I'm sure the FBI will vet it.

[R B Garr]

27. So someone set this up complete with gunshots in the background of their video chat?

That's more unbelievable than the stated description that it's an inadvertent recording of events going on in the background outside someone's apartment.

[davidpdx]

29. They did state that and that the source is unconfirmed

I really don't know how they'd go about confirming it given they only have the guy's word he recorded it. I suppose the person who was talking to him (the gal he was hitting on) would have heard the shots as well.

Also we don't know what the FBI has. It could be that they asked the guy to provide her name. The recording should have a time/date stamp to prove when it occurred. They would know where he lives as I'm sure it was provided to the FBI.

It does leave a lot of unanswered questions as to the authenticity of the recording.

[Amonester]

52. Simple. All they have to do is call the NSA...

As everybody knows they record everything from everyone 24/7.

Seriously, though, the ISP could have recorded all the guy's data timelines and dates.

[wendylaroux]

25. So the guy

on the computer didn't hear all of those shots?

[wendylaroux]

30. Listen

no need for that wording.Thanks.

[JimDandy]

31. Hope the audio hasn't been enhanced

(of the original recording) if this is a legit recording of the shooting. Any manipulation might cast doubt on the recording itself. But it does seem odd that the webcam guy has no reaction in his voice to the sound of so many bullets going off.

[wendylaroux]

32. What I was thinking too,

time will tell.

[Lex]

34. I'm guessing in some neighborhoods, shots

aren't all that uncommon. I once lived in a neighborhood where everything didn't stop if shots were heard.

[R B Garr]

35. That's what I was thinking, too. Plus it sounded like he was focused on his situation

at hand.

[JimDandy]

37. Yes, we all got that connection.

And yet he turned the video over anyway, so good for him.

[JimDandy]

36. How sad that one can get so accustomed

to bullets flying around like that. And scary for us as a country.

[exboyfil]

41. Ferguson does not have that many homicides

I am not sure how frequent gunshots are in this community. Violent crime rate is close to the national average. Property crime rate is about double the national average.

http://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Ferguson-Missouri.html

[wendylaroux]

38. That's true too,

and sad,and sickening.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

40. My cousin and his wife rented a small place in a really scary neighborhood

when he was between jobs and couldn't afford anything else. I used to visit him and would often hear shots. The most annoying things were the police helicopters with searchlights circling overhead. He said that sort of thing would often go on all night long, especially on week-ends.

[riverwalker]

42. maybe he thought it was firecrackers

they go off all summer around my house, kids use up leftovers from the 4th.

[joshcryer]

63. Yep, you get used to it.

As long as they're not right outside your window you just shrug it off. Personal experience.

[SweetieD]

70. Ferguson has had ZERO homicides this year except for Mike Brown

Yes these are poor black people, but believe it or not there are those types of communities where people aren't getting shot at every weekend. Yes gunshots would be an unusual occurrence.

[Lex]

77. not all gunshots = someone getting killed

[SweetieD]

81. Of course not, but don't pretend like Ferguson is some violent crime ridden ghetto

If this was some neighborhood in chicago with multiple shootings every weekend, I couldn't understand but gunshots would've been unusual in Ferguson.

[Lex]

83. those are your words nt

[R B Garr]

47. Do you say enhanced to mean that the shots were amplified which

would mean it's been altered? I don't know how the "enhanced" technology works exactly. Thanks!

[JimDandy]

49. Amplified is the correct word.

Thanks.

[R B Garr]

50. so a sound in the background is amplified?

meaning it's been altered?

edit: I see you edited your post to add an explanation. I just wasn't sure if enhanced meant added in or the existing was altered.

[JimDandy]

51. No. I am saying I hope the bullet sounds weren't amplified,

so no doubt can be cast on the audio if it is legit.

If the shots are fainter on the original recording that could explain why the guy doesn't hear them. As could being caught up in an amorous moment with the person he is chatting with, or as others have suggested, it sounding like firecrackers, or, perhaps, he has become so inured to the sound of gunfire from being around it a lot that he simply doesn't react to it anymore. All speculation...which isn't unusual in a vacuum such as the FPD has created in this case.

[R B Garr]

59. That's a perfect explanation. I could tell what you were saying about the doubt

if the original was changed, and now I see what you mean about the technology of enhancing the sound(s). Great post.

[R B Garr]

47. duplicate post

[wheniwasincongress]

56. Maybe it was a recording of his voice

He was listening to before sending it off?

[Regrell]

58. Maybe he had headphones on, and his fine lady friend was the one who submitted it...

[JimDandy]

67. That is a very likely explanation

because I did the exact same thing years ago when I was an, ummhum, amorous young thing too.

ETA: for daytime reading...

Anyways, lots of speculation over something that's not even been verified yet, but what the heck.

[Regrell]

57. Maybe he had headphones on, and his fine lady friend was the one who submitted it...

after she connected the time/date/fuckin' civil unrest in his neighborhood.

[TorchTheWitch]

39. sounds hokey to me

Could be anything. Gun shots on the tv or something, who knows. I pretty much discount "witnesses" that run to the media especially with something that could be anything and proves nothing. Seems like everyone wants their 15 minutes in any high profile case.

I have a really hard time believing this is authentic also because of there being no other sounds in the background. Other recordings of the actual event have voices yelling or screaming, traffic noise, or whatever. And gunshots supposedly right outside the person's house and they aren't jumping up and screaming "what the fuck?" or "holy shit!" or something similar and hitting the floor? Just sit there calmly recording and continuing to play on their computer? And aren't aware of it or come forward with it until two weeks later? Seems pretty dodgy.

If it doesn't come from anyone in authority I chalk it up to rumor until proven otherwise.

As for being "damning"... how? We knew from the beginning that numerous shots were fired. This is just some recording of apparently numerous shots of gun fire interspersed with some sappy lovey dovey chat. Woopdie do. Seems like once again CNN is running along with anything to keep a story going.

[Veilex]

43. gun shots never sound realistic on TV...

as someone who's fired quite a few weapon systems, too include pistols, I can assure you, those are the genuine article.

[exboyfil]

44. If he gave a witness statement to the FBI

he can be in a great deal of trouble if the recording proves to be false. I can't imagine a lawyer would get in front of a false narrative - it would hurt her future credibility. Maybe she is blowing smoke about verifying contacting the FBI, but then again that would be damaging to her professionally.

[JimDandy]

45. Can you point me to links to the other recordings

of the actual shooting. Have only read a couple of eye-witness accounts.

Hard to believe whoever recorded this audio would be willing to go to jail for submitting a false statement to the FBI.

[TorchTheWitch]

53. if they did submit a false statement to the FBI

This hasn't even been verified with the FBI yet. For all we know this is just some git looking for their 15 minutes with a recording of who the hell knows what. And a lawyer looking for their bright moment on tv which they all want since nothing is better for getting their name out and clients through their door. We don't even know if this recording even came from any witness or if they spoke to the FBI at all. CNN is once again just running on rumor to keep the story in the news and before THEY verified anything either. Journalists are supposed to be verifying stuff before it even IS considered news, but when's the last time our lame ass media did that?

And what if it does turn out to be authentic? So what? We already knew from the first that there were multiple shots fired. That isn't news, and it doesn't prove anything either way. Police would have also known pretty damn quickly how many shots were fired after examining the officer's gun. What difference does it make if it was 8 or 10 or whatever this audio shows or even if the audio is complete and that's all the shots fired or if the audio captured all the shots fired? Without video all it shows is multiple shots fired that we already knew about. It doesn't show why they were fired or what was happening when they were fired, so even if it's authentic it's good for exactly nothing we didn't already know - that multiple shots were fired.

I don't know if there's other audio while the shots were being fired. Go look. The idea though that it was dead silent while it was happening if front of a bunch of people that whipped their cellphones out is pretty crazy though. Shooting don't happen in public in a silent vacuum because they're frightening. People scream, shout, there's other general noise of what's going on in the vicinity like traffic noise, people running out of their homes to see what's going on and whip their cellphone out to record it since so many claim to have done so. What difference does it make anyway? Like I said, EVEN IF it's authentic it doesn't show anything we didn't already know from the beginning - multiple shots were fired. That's it.

[SweetieD]

69. Actually it does show something

The unofficial Wilson story is that mike ran, then turned around like superman and charged Wilson. The Ferguson PD also commented to the NYT that Wilson shot at Brown when he was running away, and Dorian says that too, so that fact is not in dispute.

If the audio is accurate then, that story falls apart due to the timing of the shots. There was only about 2-3 seconds between the 6 shots fired and the last 4. It gives someone just enough time to turn around. It doesn't give anyone enough time to turn around and start charging the officer.


As far as background noise, I figured the guy was probably on skype in his room. Maybe he had headphones/with a mic on, a lot of people do when they skype. Remember this was not some busy street. It was a residential street near an apartment community, there was no traffic. I don't think there was anyone else even walking on the street. The other witnesses at the time were Dorian, the girl and her friend who were parked in a car along the side of the street, and a neighbor who was in his apartment. I am not sure who was supposed to be screaming when this happened.

In addition, most of the neighbors when they did come out to see what was happening remarked they they thought it was fireworks and wasn't sure what was happening. Remember this is Ferguson, not Chicago, Detroit, DC. Ferguson has had ZERO homicides this year, except for the killing of Mike Brown. Yes this area was a poor black community but it was not a violent community and the sound of gunshots would be unusual.

[TorchTheWitch]

85. "unofficial Wilson story"

DING, DING, DING!

We don't HAVE any story from Wilson other than the very little police have said. ANYTHING else - just like you said yourself - isn't official. And if it isn't official it's just rumor/speculation. Just like this audio that we have no clue whether or not is authentic, and even if it is authentic doesn't show anything we didn't already know that being multiple shots of unknown number were fired. OFFICIALLY all we know about the shots fired is that the first one was shot in the cruiser and multiple ones followed of unknown amount.

The investigation will find out how many shots were fired, when, how many struck Brown, how many stayed in his body and how many went through, where they went, etc. What's the point of bothering with rumor/speculation until we find out what actually happened from the investigation? You know, OFFICIAL information.

From the moment this happened, practically no one has bothered to wait to find out what ACTUALLY happened and has been running amok on rumor and speculation declaring the officer guilty of murder not even wanting to find out anything from an investigation as if one wasn't necessary.

Until we find out what ACTUALLY happened through an investigation we don't know enough to be choosing sides, and deciding what happened based on agenda, rumor and/or speculation is just bullshit. And that's pretty much all there is at this point. Without first finding out official information from an investigation and what little has been said from official quarters I don't know what the hell happened and neither does anyone else.

The media (typical of them) has been running wild on rumor and speculation, and shame on them for it. Shame on anyone else being taken in by it as well.

[JimDandy]

89. Nicely put.

You also don't hear Officer Wilson say anything exculpatory, even in the pause, like "Halt or I'll shoot", "Face down on the ground now", etc.

Just his bullets pounding into Brown's body.

[Curtis]

46. if this prove to be legit

It says a lot. So far, the narrative from the Wilson side is there was one shot inside the car, Brown broke free and ran 35 feet, stopped and turned, and charged back at Wilson which is when Wilson fired the volley that killed Brown. You DO NOT hear that sequence on the recording.

To me, it sounds just like what all the eye witnesses say. Wilson fired a volley at Mike as he was running away, Mike realized he was shot and turned to try and surrender or show he wasn't a threat and Wilson fired the final volley that killed Mike. The recording fits this sequence.

P.S. To all those saying clip. It's a magazine. And, cop magazine usually hold 15 rounds. At least that what mine held the shot stint I did as a cop before I was let go while the economy crashed back in 2007

[pinboy3niner]

61. It can back up other evidence, but the positions of the shell casings may be more telling

The casings should help to establish Wilson's position throughout, the positions from which the first and last shots and shot groups were fired, whether or not Wilson was stationary or moving, and the distance between him and Michael Brown when Brown fell.

The audio would be chilling in court, and, in light of other evidence would help jurors visualize the event.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

94. It might help enhance witness credibility

and verify their powers of observation. Tiffany Mitchell was asked how many shots she heard. She said it sounded like MORE than five or six. I also just read a reference in a newspaper to another witness who said it sounded like ten shots (right on the money) but the particular witness's name wasn't mentioned. I'd have to look through all the videotaped witness statements to verify who it is.

[Quackers]

54. Is this on CNN's webpage yet?

[Agschmid]

62. Here.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/us/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c3

[Quackers]

64. Thank you

For the life of me, I couldn't find it on their site.

[greatlaurel]

60. Thanks for the info.

Kicked and recommended.

[joshcryer]

66. This should put Wilson to jail.

No jury hearing that will believe for an instance a guy who just got shot at and survived is going to change their mind and charge. Should be an easy case. Second degree murder. Full up and down vote after 2 hours of deliberation.

[nolabear]

68. Boy, it's interesting posting here and going to bed and seeing what develops overnight.

Conversations go in all KINDS of directions. It's early and I haven't checked CNN this morning, but I don't see other references to this yet.



Apparently I missed a good troll whacking too. Oh well...

[cbdo2007]

71. sounds fake

Sounds like the guy is reading from a script, while loud shots ring out in the background and he doesn't react??

Is there more to the audio they left out? Like of the other person talking or something? I just listened to the Youtube above and it sounded very fake.

[NYC_SKP]

73. I think it's legit. Gunshots are not uncommond sounds in some cities.

That's just a sad fact. And it's hard to tell what the audio settings were or if we'd expect the other party to have spoken during those few seconds.

If it was fake, I'd expect the perpetrators would have done a better job faking it and/or known that their work could be undone by other evidence, like the number of spent casings and other accounts.

[cbdo2007]

90. 10 successive gunshots are uncommon in most cities

I'm obviously not leading the investigation here, I'm just speculating and adding my opinion that to me it sounds unnatural and to me sounds like a fake. I'm sure in the coming days the evidence will either back up the audio or discount it, but just because it's on CNN is no cause to give it the benefit of the doubt in being real.

[Eleanors38]

95. Carl Hiassen, in joking about Miami, related how folks

in some neighborhoods would haul their lawn chairs to a condo's rooftop in the evening to enjoy the heat lightning over the everglades and the distant gunfire below.

[SweetieD]

75. I admit, it sounds like he is reading something but it doesn't mean its fake

He could've been reading anything to someone else on skype, an email, a message, a poem, who knows. He could've also been using headphones with a mic.

And most of the neighbors said they thought the sounds were fireworks. No Ferguson is not some violent place. There have been ZERO homicides this year (except for the homocide of Mike Brown), so gunshots would've been unusual. It might take you a second to realize what is going on.

[cbdo2007]

92. That's why I'm curious why it cuts off after 7 seconds, before the reaction, before the other person

responds, etc. Why are they just releasing a 7 second clip of a huge, national event, when that is relevant?

It's just a weird snippet, is all I'm saying and am leaning toward it being a hoax.

[nolabear]

97. Speculation, but the other party might not want her portion used.

Very seductive video chat. It may have gone places from there that they don't want the world to hear.

I don't know if it's real, but it's an interesting addition to the mix.

[JimDandy]

99. Thank you for this OP. Proud to have my 4,000th post

be in the defense of someone who died so senselessly and can no longer defend himself.

[nolabear]

100. Honored to be a part of your experience.

And sad it has to be this.

[msanthrope]

76. This reads FBI engineered leak via the attorney......

Ferguson PD is gonna regret leaking that bullshit 'robbery' video.

[handmade34]

78. well...

I tend not to publically speculate on such things but between the audio of the shots and this interview... wow

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/us/2014/08/21/ac-intv-brady-ferguson-shooting-eyewitness.cnn&video_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2FSPECIALS%2Fus%2Fferguson-shooting-protests%2Findex.html

[BronxBoy]

93. Thanks for posting this...

I hadn't seen this before. Even with the discrepancies, it's interesting that so many witnesses are basically relating s similar chain of events

[davidn3600]

79. Those shots sound awful loud and clear for that guy talking to not notice them at all

[Lee-Lee]

82. The presence of this could go either way

With the officer unaware audio existed comparing it to his version of events will be telling, assuming the audio is legit (and I am sure the FBI will thoroughly vet it)

If the audio matches his account, that will support him.

If the audio doesn't, that will be pretty damming.

I find it curious that the audio seems to, at first listen, not jive with several witness statements.

[SweetieD]

86. How does it not jive with witness statements?

I've heard three witnesses. Both said the cop was shooting as Brown was running away. Brown jerks then turns around puts his hands up, and is shot 4 times. Dorian said 4 times, that guy who was interviewed by Anderson Cooper says 4 times (I can't remember what the girl witness said). The audio fits their version exactly. It does not support the unnofficial Wilson story (by Josie) that Brown ran but then turned around and started charging him, because there is only about a 2-3 second pause between shots. It gives you enough time to turn around, but not enough time to charge.

[Lee-Lee]

87. Maybe I missed it

But the witness accounts I heard all said one shot, then he turned to give up. Not 6.

As for a person not being able to turn around and run the opposite way in 2-4 seconds, it certainly is possible.

Like I said, it all depends on if it fits the account he gave.

[SweetieD]

88. Well we have the audio so try it yourself

In the pause, try to turn around and move your body in a charging position. It is impossible given the time frame, unless you are Usain Bolt. Certainly would be impossible if you are 300lbs and wearing flip flops like Mike.

The witnesses said that the officer shot several times while Mike was running away and then several times when he turned around.

[kentuck]

91. Possibly...

...the first shots were made while still in vehicle and victim was running away. The last flurry were made outside the car with victim facing his shooter??

[JimDandy]

98. One shot in the car

according to the eye witnesses. Probably too muffled in the vehicle and too far down the street to be caught on this man's audio recording. Also, the shots in each volley have the same resonation. If the first one was in the car it would have had a different sound. In addition, there is too little time between the first shot in the first volley and the second shot for the Officer to have gotten out of his car and then fired shots 2,3,4,5 and 6 in quick succession. So, there were probably 11 shots altogether-1 in the car that isn't heard and 10 on the audio (or 12 total shots if you are one of the people who can hear 11 on the audio).

[madville]

101. This is why Wilson not making any reports or statements

Is a good strategy for the defense. Now he can shape his story to the evidence as it leaks out. That is the major disadvantage to so much getting released so early, he can sit back and mold his story as more comes out.

That's why they released something through a friend of his girlfriend or something, can deny any connection to that story if it strays from the evidence piling up.

The other side of the coin too is if this is authentic it could call some of the witness accounts into question as well if the shot sequence doesn't match their account.

[avebury]

102. I don't blame him for turning it over to the FBI.

I wouldn't trust any evidence with the Feguson PD or St. Louis County PD.

[malaise]

103. There's an idiot on HLN defending this shite