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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsObama Pursuing Climate Accord in Lieu of Treaty (to avoid dysfunctional congress)
The Obama administration is working to forge a sweeping international climate change agreement to compel nations to cut their planet-warming fossil fuel emissions, but without ratification from Congress.
In preparation for this agreement, to be signed at a United Nations summit meeting in 2015 in Paris, the negotiators are meeting with diplomats from other countries to broker a deal to commit some of the worlds largest economies to enact laws to reduce their carbon pollution. But under the Constitution, a president may enter into a legally binding treaty only if it is approved by a two-thirds majority of the Senate. To sidestep that requirement, President Obamas climate negotiators are devising what they call a politically binding deal that would name and shame countries into cutting their emissions. The deal is likely to face strong objections from Republicans on Capitol Hill and from poor countries around the world, but negotiators say it may be the only realistic path.
American negotiators are instead homing in on a hybrid agreement a proposal to blend legally binding conditions from an existing 1992 treaty with new voluntary pledges. The mix would create a deal that would update the treaty, and thus, negotiators say, not require a new vote of ratification.
The Obama administrations international climate strategy is likely to infuriate Republican lawmakers who already say the president is abusing his executive authority by pushing through major policies without congressional approval.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/us/politics/obama-pursuing-climate-accord-in-lieu-of-treaty.html?_r=1
Here's one quick reaction from the far-right:
Obama Set to Prove the Maxim that If You Give Democrats an Inch, Theyll Shred the Constitution
In 1992 President George H. W. Bush signed the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
The Senate ratified that treaty as it was written at that time, as the Constitution specifies must happen for any treaty to be valid, and President Bush signed it on October 15, 1992 just a couple of weeks before he would lose to Bill Clinton (and spoiler Ross Perot).
Decades later, President Barack Obama is seeking to use that treaty as a Trojan Horse to push his extreme environmental agenda onto an unsuspecting, and ailing, US economy, according to the New York Times.
Aware that the Democrats are likely to lose the Senate, Obama will pursue his agenda without the peoples representatives, and will knowingly set up a constitutional controversy, maybe even a crisis, for the sake of climate change.
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/08/27/obama-set-to-prove-the-maxim-that-if-you-give-democrats-an-inch-theyll-shred-the-constitution/
This will get the right wing "national sovereignty" lobby very agitated. Just imagine an international organization "compelling" a sovereign nation to do something. Is it any wonder that they fear the United Nations during into a One World Government.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)It is a monstrosity.
pampango
(24,692 posts)much more than liberals, don't you think?
And without the ability to 'compel' nations to comply, what good is an environmental treaty? We don't just ASK corporations go comply with national environmental laws. Should we just ASK polluting countries to comply with environmental treaties?
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)their gut twisting outrage over. The TPP would compel counties to amend their LAWS to comply with CORPORATE PROFIT plans.
pampango
(24,692 posts)want to get out of.
I think liberals believe there are GOOD international agreements and BAD international agreements. The right wing base does not think there is such a thing as a GOOD international agreement, since they all compel national governments to do or not do things that reduce their 'sovereignty'.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Conservative Flat Earth Wet Dreams. Please post any link you can find to any RW nutz opposing any of them.
pampango
(24,692 posts)qualify as RW nutz? "Real" RW nutz seem to want the US out of the UN, the WTO, the IMF, the World Bank and trade agreements.
The John Birch Society opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, claiming it violated the Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution and overstepped individual states' rights to enact laws regarding civil rights. The society opposes "one world government", and it has an immigration reduction view on immigration reform. It opposes the United Nations, the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the Central America Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), the Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA), and other free trade agreements. They argue the U.S. Constitution has been devalued in favor of political and economic globalization, and that this alleged trend is not accidental. It cited the existence of the former Security and Prosperity Partnership as evidence of a push towards a North American Union.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_Society
Poll: conservative and moderate republicans oppose fast track (for the TPP) by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.
On the question of fast-track authority, 62 percent of respondent opposed the idea, with 43 percent strongly opposing it. Broken down by political affiliation, only Democrats that identify as liberal strongly favor the idea. Predictably, a strong Republican majority oppose giving the president such authority, with both conservative and moderates oppose it by a ratio of 85 percent or higher.
http://www.ibtimes.com/trans-pacific-partnership-tpp-poll-only-strongest-obama-supporters-want-him-have-fast-track-1552039With Boehners decision to support Obama on TPP, the Republican Party appears ready to ignore concerns raised by GOP conservatives and various tea-party groups that the 12-nation deal further undermines U.S. sovereignty. The opponents argue it places major sectors of the U.S. economy under a new dispute-regulation mechanism that takes precedence over U.S. judges and courts.
The TPP is the first part of a two-ocean globalist plan the Obama administration is working quietly to put into place. The goal is to follow up the passage of the TPP with the finalization of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership between the United States and the European Union.
Advancing the NWO (New World Order) agenda
The globalists advising the Obama administration appear to have learned from the adverse public reaction to the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, or SPP, during the administration of President George W. Bush. Obama has avoided the leader summit meetings that exposed to a critical alternative news media the international working group coordination needed to create international free-trade agreements. The Obama administration has shut down the Security and Prosperity Partnership website, SPP.gov.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/01/gop-set-to-fast-track-new-world-order-pact/
Tea Party members absolutely despise "free trade" agreements ...
Real Conservatives Oppose NAFTA
Here are some examples from Tea-Party outlets,
Daily Paul:
Trans-Pacific Partnership Sign The Petition to OPPOSE
Sen. Rand Paul fights Obamas Fast-Tracking Attempt w/ TPP, the Trans Pacific Partnership! (Another Corporatist Free Trade BS)
Others:
Trans-Pacific Partnership: Secret Surrender of Sovereignty
Is Obama Negotiating A Treaty That Would Essentially Ban All Buy American Laws?
Trans Pacific Partnership Could Nuke New Balance
The Trans-Pacific Partnership: Obamas Globalization Agreement (Part 1) (Part 2)
Trans-Pacific Partnership __ The Next (Secret) Step Toward A New World Order?
Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP): Bigger and More Dangerous Than ObamaCare
Jerome Corsi attests to the persistence of globalists in the Obama administration ... new free trade pacts between the United States and other nations must be stopped and existing ones, such as NAFTA, repealed.
And from China:
The Chinese take on why the TPP is bad for China and why it is talking so long to negotiate
France's Front National leader Marine Le Pen will meet other far-right and eurosceptic leaders on Wednesday in an attempt to create a powerful bloc in the European parliament.
Le Pen insisted the party's score was an unqualified victory despite an abstention rate of 57%. She demanded that France call a halt to talks between the European Union and the United States to create a vast free market, known as the Transatlantic Trade Treaty.
"I clearly call on the president of the Republic, firstly the dissolution of the Assemblée Nationale, because you know it is no longer at all representative of the French people," Le Pen said.
"I also demand that he does three things to take Sunday's vote into account: firstly, France halts the transatlantic treaty, secondly, France states its veto of Turkey's entry into the European Union and, thirdly, he nationalises Alstom, contrary to the rules of the European Union, to save this strategic company."
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/27/marine-le-pen-met-far-right-leaders-eu-bloc
These links are all 6 months or more old. I haven't updated it since the last time I updated it. I know some of these folks are really out there on the right-wing lunatic fringe, but you did ask for RW nutz.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)conservaphobe
(1,284 posts)Thank you, Mr. President.