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Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
Fri Aug 29, 2014, 11:59 PM Aug 2014

Was this photo of Feinstein with a gun photoshopped?



Today I learned that Adam Baldwin is a rightwing loon and and it really has now ruined one of my favorite shows (Firefly). Baldwin rants about Obama, gays, and other Hollywood "liberals" so I am perplexed as to how people like Joss Whedon and Nathan Fillion could work with him without comment.

Also, he is in the middle of an attack on a woman game designer helping stir up the stalkers to abuse her for having the nerve to criticize the portrayal of women in video games.

I then saw this photo posted on his Twitter account and it looks "wrong". Any Photoshop experts out there who can tell me if this is yet another Soviet-style fabrication.
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Was this photo of Feinstein with a gun photoshopped? (Original Post) Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceNikki Aug 2014 #1
Um, have you read the Statement of Purpose for this forum? NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #2
Technically, I am asking for a expert opinion on whether this is a Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #4
I know someone who respects her. RandySF Aug 2014 #6
I can certainly respect some of her choices from long ago Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #10
I was fucking there. DiFi is an embarrassment. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #13
DiFi lost me when she went behind Obama's back & supported more sanctions on Iran. Drunken Irishman Aug 2014 #36
Feinstein sucks says this not so little middle aged San Francisco woman. And so does Crepevine. Luminous Animal Aug 2014 #39
You don't speak for everyone here regarding Senator Feinstein. MADem Aug 2014 #37
Oh, I don't know, what time is it? Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #46
I call it gun shaming RandySF Aug 2014 #3
But, if it is a faked photo Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #5
No, it's not faked, it's her actually mishandling that rifle. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #9
Thanks for the information Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #18
Here's a much better, clearer picture of here mishandling this rifle. IronGate Aug 2014 #16
Yes, you are correct Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #19
What's off camera? And how do we know what that muzzle is pointed at? MADem Aug 2014 #38
I didn't make that claim, nor do I know what's off camera, IronGate Aug 2014 #43
I'm not accusing you of making the claim--I'm being rhetorical. MADem Aug 2014 #44
Got it. nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #45
It looks like the little girl is holding a BB gun. RandySF Aug 2014 #7
That's a bolt-action 22. Cricket or Savage Scout, I believe. n/t X_Digger Aug 2014 #12
Sen. Feinstein actually was that stupid to handle that rifle like that. IronGate Aug 2014 #8
Not 'shopped, no. X_Digger Aug 2014 #11
Hoever they handle it RandySF Aug 2014 #14
Absolutely not Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #27
I'd they want to make laws about something... Subways Aug 2014 #40
*sigh* Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #15
The cake has to go to Leland Yee, indicted on gun trafficking charges. X_Digger Aug 2014 #22
Couple of thoughts The Straight Story Aug 2014 #17
I have handled a number of firearms in my day Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #23
Guessing it was from this press conference (or an earlier/similar one given the date): The Straight Story Aug 2014 #29
Also worth noting is the date. 2000 The Straight Story Aug 2014 #24
True Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #31
Yeah, if that was something happening today, and not a decade and a half ago, she'd be arrested.... MADem Aug 2014 #56
Good one. IronGate Aug 2014 #57
What orange wrapping? Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #25
The first photo was hard to see, as noted, take a look at a later one I posted The Straight Story Aug 2014 #30
what "orange wrap" There is none visable in the picture. oneshooter Aug 2014 #48
not shopped Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #20
The right wing double standard RandySF Aug 2014 #21
Agreed Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #26
Considering she had a concealed carry permit, and carried, yeah. n/t X_Digger Aug 2014 #28
Expertise isn't necessary, a lack of demonstrable idiocy and/or ignorance will do friendly_iconoclast Aug 2014 #35
Diana DeGette madville Aug 2014 #41
There's more to it than that--there's complete One-Issue Blindness at play. MADem Aug 2014 #47
I remember the Fox Firefly Forums and Adam posted religiously. joshcryer Aug 2014 #32
But now I can't see him in a scene without hearing the Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #33
Oh, yeah, I can't stand him in any other role. joshcryer Aug 2014 #34
One difference between Jayne and Adam Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #49
He's "ruined" Firefly for you???!! Inkfreak Aug 2014 #42
I cede my geek cred to no man Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #50
It's a stupid diversion tactic graphic and nothing more. blogslut Aug 2014 #51
Well, Kelvin Mace Aug 2014 #52
But why bother trying to discredit something that has no relevance? blogslut Aug 2014 #54
Every firearm is loaded tularetom Aug 2014 #53
As others have said sarisataka Aug 2014 #55

Response to Kelvin Mace (Original post)

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
2. Um, have you read the Statement of Purpose for this forum?
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:07 AM
Aug 2014
Statement of Purpose

Discuss politics, issues, and current events. Posts about Israel/Palestine, religion, guns, showbiz, or sports are restricted in this forum. Conspiracy theories and disruptive meta-discussion are forbidden. For more information, click here.


And to answer your question, Yes, Feinstein is an ass and a Democrat in name only. Nobody in this community respects her.

For further idiotic antics in the Golden State, see this video:

"thirty caliber clip can dispurse thirty bullets within half a second"



eom
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
4. Technically, I am asking for a expert opinion on whether this is a
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:11 AM
Aug 2014

Photoshop job. I will remove my comment about Feinstein to make it comply completely with forum rules.

RandySF

(61,770 posts)
6. I know someone who respects her.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:15 AM
Aug 2014

I know a little old lady who has lived on Church St. since the 1960's. She was at the forefront of SF progressivism and the LGBT movement. She knew Harvey Milk, Cleve Jones, Kim Rivaldo and George Moscone. And one day at breakfast at the Crepevine I asked who whom she thought was the City's best mayor. Without hesitation she said Dianne Feinstein because she held the city together after the City Hall murders. Feinstein knows how to handle a gun. She kept one in her purse after SFPD found a hit list with her name on it in the home of a People's Temple official. And if you knew her full life story, you might have a little bit of respect, yourself.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
10. I can certainly respect some of her choices from long ago
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:19 AM
Aug 2014

her choices of late, not so much. This looks like a fake to me (her hand seems misplaced under the barrel) and I don't like lies/smears of any sort.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
13. I was fucking there. DiFi is an embarrassment.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:21 AM
Aug 2014

That's all the respect, myself, that I need for you to know.

So you have a friend who knew her. Good for you.

She was a self-serving opportunist then and remains one now, she reminds me of Hillary Clinton.

That she was called an effective mayor says more about how shitty the mayors have been than how good she was.

I'm going to guess that you're new to the City. That's alright, we all have a learning curve.

Let's just say that if a little old lady is your source of information then I have you beat for having lived in that very place and been at the Civic Center as the shit hit the fan.

It was a fucked up year, with Jonestown and all.

Thanks for you reply, but don't even start with any praise of that woman, she's and embarrassment to progressive.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
37. You don't speak for everyone here regarding Senator Feinstein.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 04:52 AM
Aug 2014

You speak for yourself, fine--but you're out of line telling people what "everyone" thinks.

I think DiFi has a mixed record in many respects, but I'm not throwing her under the bus.

RandySF

(61,770 posts)
3. I call it gun shaming
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:09 AM
Aug 2014

The NRA nuts shout down opposition by claiming that only "gun experts" can comment on them.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
5. But, if it is a faked photo
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:13 AM
Aug 2014

then there point is moot. Not that they would admit this, of course.

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
16. Here's a much better, clearer picture of here mishandling this rifle.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:24 AM
Aug 2014


You can clearly see that her left hand is properly placed on the forestock.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
38. What's off camera? And how do we know what that muzzle is pointed at?
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 04:56 AM
Aug 2014

The claim that she is pointing that thing at "the audience" is not supported by that photo.

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
43. I didn't make that claim, nor do I know what's off camera,
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:42 AM
Aug 2014

all I did was supply a better clearly showing that this isn't a photoshopped picture and that she's obviously mishandling the rifle.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
44. I'm not accusing you of making the claim--I'm being rhetorical.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:27 AM
Aug 2014

There could be a large pumpkin she's aiming at, off camera, for all we know.

Maybe she's doing an Edward G. Robinson imitation, see....SEE?

I think it's hugely amusing that anyone's gotta go back fourteen years to try to "smear" her with a "Waaah, yer holdin' yer tommy gun wrong" charge.

I will wager that the people who vote for her, and who have benefitted hugely from her seniority, don't really care if she uses that thing as a walking stick!

 

IronGate

(2,186 posts)
8. Sen. Feinstein actually was that stupid to handle that rifle like that.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:17 AM
Aug 2014

Finger on the trigger, bolt closed.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
11. Not 'shopped, no.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:20 AM
Aug 2014

It's one of a number of times that anti-gun politicians have smeared egg on their own faces. (e.g. Carolyn McCarthy's 'shoulder-thing-that-goes-up' or 'heat seeking bullet'.)

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
17. Couple of thoughts
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:24 AM
Aug 2014

1. Hard to tell if trigger is off
2. Given the Orange wrapping a good chance it was a seized weapon that was rendered inoperative.

and:

The firearm shown above was "unloaded, disabled, and 'locked.'"

"Unloaded" does not, of course, make it safe to handle as shown. If, however, "disabled" means it was rendered unable to fire under any circumstances, e.g. firing pin removed, breech disassembled, or something similar, I am willing to conclude that it was no more dangerous than an inert theatrical prop (such as one actor might safely point at another).
Nonetheless, I think Ms. Feinstein set a poor example by handling the weapon in this manner. I recall a Star Trek episode in which one person let a phaser point at another, who said, "Watch where you point that." The first replied, "Don't worry, the safety is on." The idea that "the safety is on" makes it all right to point any weapon (even a science fiction one) at another person should not be propagated by any media.

http://www.stentorian.com/2ndamend/dianne_f.html

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
23. I have handled a number of firearms in my day
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:29 AM
Aug 2014

starting with six years of military school with M-14 and Spingfield 03s. The firing pins were removed from all the weapons we handled, but we were still told NEVER put your finger on the trigger (except during dry fire exercises) and ALWAYS assume the weapon could discharge. And god help the cadet who did not follow those rules.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. Yeah, if that was something happening today, and not a decade and a half ago, she'd be arrested....
Sun Aug 31, 2014, 12:16 AM
Aug 2014

....by the FASHION POLICE!!!!

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
25. What orange wrapping?
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:31 AM
Aug 2014

Magazine inserted in well.

Weapons are always treated as loaded

Basic safety is remove magazine and visually clear the rifle and even then finger off the trigger and never ever point it at another person.

RandySF

(61,770 posts)
21. The right wing double standard
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:27 AM
Aug 2014

You must be a gun expert to discuss gun control and gun violence, but you don't even need a high school diploma to dispute climate change.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
26. Agreed
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:31 AM
Aug 2014

But it is a pretty stupid thing to do, none the less, especially as some here have claimed she "knew how to handle" firearms.

It never helps our side when we. pardon the pun, give the enemy ammunition to use against us.

 

friendly_iconoclast

(15,333 posts)
35. Expertise isn't necessary, a lack of demonstrable idiocy and/or ignorance will do
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:26 AM
Aug 2014

And we've all seen Kevin DeLeon, Dianne Feinstein, Carolyn McCarthy, and
Diana DeGette fail even that lesser standard...

madville

(7,413 posts)
41. Diana DeGette
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:26 AM
Aug 2014

If someone prefaces their statement with the fact that they are the prime House co-sponsor for the bill seeking to ban high capacity magazines they should probably know what a magazine is and understand that they can be reloaded.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
47. There's more to it than that--there's complete One-Issue Blindness at play.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 11:32 AM
Aug 2014

What are they thinking? That people who have voted for DiFi for decades, now, will suddenly look at a decade and a half old picture of her holding a tommy gun in an Edward G. Robinson double breasted, pin-striped suit, and say "Ewwww, noooooooo---this WILL NOT STAAAAAAAAAND!!!!! Never mind that she's brought jobs and cash to the state--she's holding that tommy gun WROOOOONG!!!!!!!!! Ewwww, the huge manatee!"



People are .... funny! They don't understand that most people -- and that includes anyone that would vote for DiFi, anyway--could give a shit!

joshcryer

(62,297 posts)
32. I remember the Fox Firefly Forums and Adam posted religiously.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:36 AM
Aug 2014

He posted in major support of the Iraq war and I used to get into spats with him. Those were some really cool times. The internet was still relatively new for the masses (many had access but it wasn't ubiquitous). The entire cast, including Joss, would post on those forums. But Adam always ran roughshot over everyone, and he was good and articulate, about his support for the Iraq war.

Anyway, actors in Hollywood put aside their differences and do their job. Ideological reasons aren't going to get in the way of a paycheck.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
33. But now I can't see him in a scene without hearing the
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:46 AM
Aug 2014

hate and BS he spouts on Twitter. I used to love the Naked Gun movies but can't watch them because of O.J. Why the Hell didn't the Zucker brothers leave Nordberg to Peter Lupus? He was rightwing but kept it to himself and didn't murder anyone.

I am currently at DragonCon and had planned on seeing a panel with him and Ron Glass, but I can't trust myself to confront him on this issue in particular:

http://www.themarysue.com/video-game-harassment-zoe-quinn-anita-sarkeesian/

joshcryer

(62,297 posts)
34. Oh, yeah, I can't stand him in any other role.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 01:58 AM
Aug 2014

But it hasn't ruined the Firefly role for me (if anything his character on that show is the same scumbag in real life, only out for himself, period).

Inkfreak

(1,695 posts)
42. He's "ruined" Firefly for you???!!
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:29 AM
Aug 2014

Then I submit you never really loved that show. Cause it's was so badass, I could give a crap what anyone's politics are. It's awesome regardless!!!!

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
50. I cede my geek cred to no man
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:28 PM
Aug 2014


But, as I explained elsewhere, I loved the Naked Gun movies, then O.J. ruined them.

Though, I must confess, I could watch the scene where River wipes the floor with him and pretend its real. It certainly amused Wash.

Wash? Did I mention Wash?



I have to go curl up in the fetal position now.

blogslut

(38,058 posts)
51. It's a stupid diversion tactic graphic and nothing more.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:34 PM
Aug 2014

How Ms. Feistein handles a weapon in a photo bears no relevance to the necessity of gun control.

Adam Baldwin is an actor. Actors are not the characters they portray.

Misogyny is rampant in the gaming world and the harassment of Anita Sarkeesian is disgusting.

Falling for sidelining bullshit is not shiny.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
52. Well,
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:44 PM
Aug 2014

1) True, but if it were a Photoshop job then it is more easily discredited.

2) Again true, however Adam is an asshole whereas Jayne is an asshole who has the decency to be apolitical.

3) No argument here

4) Haven't fallen for "sidelining", just like my facts factual.

Besides, I still got to see Ron Glass, who may not be Shepard Book, but he is a decent human being.

blogslut

(38,058 posts)
54. But why bother trying to discredit something that has no relevance?
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:54 PM
Aug 2014

Instead of wasting your time swatting flies, point to the stinking pile that's attracting them.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
53. Every firearm is loaded
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 09:53 PM
Aug 2014

The first time I heard that I was probably 8 years old.

And the only time I ever put my finger inside the trigger guard is when I intend to fire the gun. Oh, and if I check the action using a snap cap.

That said, my opinion of Feinstein is pretty low already. A 15 year old photograph of her mishandling a gun won't affect me very much.

sarisataka

(19,528 posts)
55. As others have said
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 10:09 PM
Aug 2014

it is an accurate photo. For extra credit giggles, it is set in the full auto position.
DiFi is a DINO so I don't have high expectations of her

Jayne= assholeness raised to high art and totally awesome, found only in great sci fi

Adam Baldwin= asshole, common, can be found throughout the United States

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