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Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:40 PM Apr 2012

Zimmerman's new attorney is WISELY avoiding the "gangsta Trayvon shaken baby head" bullshit

This guy is a real about-face from the previous two clowns.

No showboating.

No accusations. No attempt to "defend his client" in front of the media.

This will be interesting.

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Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
6. It's going to be a one-two punch of Stand Your Ground and a plea deal
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:50 PM
Apr 2012

Tweety was just discussing it.

A judge could throw the whole thing out before it goes to trial. And if that doesn't happen, there's the plea deal It might all come down to Georgie taking some anger management classes.

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
12. When you take race out of the equation...
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 08:18 PM
Apr 2012

...and I mean that primarily from the Zimmerman side, with FreeRepublic and their ilk screaming about how the only reason Zimmerman is a "victim" is because Trayvon was black...if there was any possible way to make it two people on the street, one shot the other, that's it...there is a deep-seated belief in "justice" that runs through America. If a 17 year old kid went to 7-11 and bought a bag of Skittles and a can of ice tea and caught a bullet in the chest simply because a self-appointed "neighborhood watch captain" with a concealed weapon...NOT endorsed and actually PROHIBITED by the neighborhood watch program...overstepped his bounds, got scared (for WHATEVER reason)...

...the AVERAGE American...who hasn't taken sides against Trayvon because he just happened to be black...wants justice.

I see it as murder. I don't see it as "manslaughter." It would be "manslaughter" if Trayvon and Zimmerman were throwing puches in a lumber yard and Zimmerman picked up a 2 by 4 and clocked Trayvon and it ended up being a fatal blow.

Instead, we have Zimmerman...ON TAPE...bemoaning the fact that the "fucking coons...always get away," we have Zimmerman continuing to pursue Trayvon after he was told to back off by the 911 operator. If the penalty for murder in Florida is a life sentence, Zimmerman should get a life sentence.

But the problem is that the "possibility of a life sentence" keeps people glued to their TVs. This is theater, to a degree. That was evident in Zimmerman's now-former attorneys.

flamingdem

(39,319 posts)
14. As a non-lawyer it's hard to understand
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 08:41 PM
Apr 2012

why we need all this theater.

What's the boundary on that? What are the ethics of doing things to gin up the media when lives are at stake?

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
15. I see the new attorney as being on the right side of the boundary...so far.
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 09:24 PM
Apr 2012

High-profile cases lead to more high-profile cases, book deals, etc.

Kim Kardashian's dad became famous through the OJ trial (although Kim herself gained fame because she was in a hardcore porn film with her boyfriend and at the end they peed on each other).

Some attorneys get into the game because they are flambuoyant, they love money, they love attention.

Others love money too, but they also held onto some form of initial passion for the law.

The Trayvon case, unfortunately, has already passed into the realm of theater. Freepers are knocking themselves out pulling all of the skeletons out of Rev. Al and Jesse Jackson's closets. Zimmerman shot a 17 year old kid in the chest, and yet the freepers and their ilk label the quest for justice as "race baiting."

They hate Obama for saying Trayvon could have been his son.

Of course, they hate Obama anyway. If Trayvon were on his way to 7/11 for more Skittles and ice tea tonight, after never having met Zimmerman, they would STILL hate Obama.

In some sick, twisted way, many people in this country saw Obama's journey to the Oval Office as a permission slip to let their inner racist out to play.

This trial is going to be Cirque du Soleil, and the only consolation is that once the show is over, the players will pacvk up their tents and costumes and head out of town. I hope Trayvon's family finds some peace, some sense that justice has been served. I hope Zimmerman's family gains some understanding of their son, beyond a blind "blood is thicker than water" sense of wanting to protect him, regardless of his actions. I hope all of the people watching on the sidelines realize that actions have their consequences.

And in reality, UNLESS there is a dismissal, by the time a jury is selected and the trial actually begins, the Presidential Election of 2012 will be history. It took 48 days to just ARREST Zimmerman. The trial isn;t going to happen overnight. And unless Mitt Romney sprouts some kind of miraculous charisma and starts conecting with Mr. and Mrs. Johnny Lunchpail from Anytown, USA, the people who hate President Obama now are REALLY going to hate him when he retains his residence at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue for another four years.

I hate all of this shit, but I am pragmatic and a realist by nature, and as much as I want to turn my head away from the ugliness, I know it will be waiting ffor me when I swing my head back in its direction.

gopiscrap

(23,763 posts)
7. If Zimerman's only penalty is anger management classes
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:52 PM
Apr 2012

there's gonna be riots in a lot of inner cities around this country!!!

MindandSoul

(1,817 posts)
8. Yes, this one at least looks and sounds a lot smarter than the old ones!
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 07:56 PM
Apr 2012

Now, it is no longer about "circus," it is about "justice."

I am actually surprise that Angela Corey went for "second degree murder." I am even a little concerned about that.

I am wondering if this is not a "legal" way to get Zimmerman off.

After all, it's a lot harder to prove "second degree murder" than "manslaughter," and if the jury has to say "no" to the second degree murder charge, Zimmerman will be free, and will never be charged again for that shooting.

For what I've seen, I like the woman. . .but I am a little skeptical about the charges. . .and the reasoning behind the charges.

What do you think?

Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
9. Depends on what facts / evidence she compiled and how she lays them out in court
Wed Apr 11, 2012, 08:04 PM
Apr 2012

There's nothing that can be done about "Stand Your Ground," that's for sure. They were just discussing it on MSNBC. No matter what anyone thinks about the law, it was law when Trayvon was killed. So everything will revolve around that. The prosecution will argue that Zimmerman wasn't "standing his ground," that he pursued Trayvon, that he was told to back off by the 911 operator and continued his pursuit anyway. The defense will argue that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman, they will play as close to the language of "Stand Your Ground" as possible RE: Zimmerman fearing for his life and having no other options.

And if a judge looks at the case and decides to throw the whole thing out by taking a hard line on the language of "Stand Your Ground," especially with Trayvon being dead and the only "voice" in this case being Zimmerman's, nothing can be done. It needs to go to trial, and if it doesn't, it really won't matter whether the charge is 2nd degree murder or manslaughter.

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