Such irrational hatred from DU...

[Drunken Irishman]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by LeftishBrit (a host of the General Discussion forum).

err...wait...that's from the Republicans. Duh.

Once again, many DUers siding with the right-wing racist GOP. Pity.

[randome]

1. They leap and cackle with glee for the opportunity to shit on someone.

Shows no class, IMO.

What is that phrase from yesteryear? Oh, yeah, if you can't say anything good about someone, don't say anything.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[TheBlackAdder]

13. I guess when you're full of it, you've got to dump it somewhere. Shame they follow foreigner TV. nt

[TheCowsCameHome]

89. Their beds are full, what are they supposed to do?

[leftstreet]

2. DUers have complained abt Holder's policies for some time

So what?

Glad to see him gone!

[frazzled]

14. Many DUers would have been just as glad to see Bobby Kennedy gone

And probably would have said "good riddance" to him, too, in 1964. (While, of course, not condoning 1968.)

But Mr. Holder has continued Mr. Kennedy’s work in another way, one he is less likely to embrace but is no less part of his legacy. Like Mr. Kennedy, Mr. Holder has frustrated and confounded even his staunchest allies for his views on civil liberties.

...

“If you were to ask, ‘What would Bobby Kennedy do if he were sitting in Eric Holder’s chair?’ You might not find many differences, on all these issues,” said Thomas J. Perelli, a lawyer who served as Mr. Holder’s associate attorney general.

Though Mr. Kennedy presided in a different era with different laws, he similarly used wide surveillance authority to target Communists and other threats. He authorized wiretaps of civil rights leaders including the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

“Bobby was certainly not shy about using wiretapping and used it as much as any attorney general,” said Evan Thomas, a journalist and Kennedy biographer. “Holder is following in Bobby’s footsteps in that sense.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/26/us/politics/a-champion-of-civil-rights-if-not-of-civil-liberties-just-like-his-hero.html?hpw&rref=politics&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpHedThumbWell&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

[Drunken Irishman]

26. Na'.

The same people who call Obama a warmonger sporting FDR or JFK avatars are too deep in the forest to realize how off the rails they are. It's always funny watching those same people who idolize past liberal presidents by whitewashing everything bad they did - then turn around and entirely focus on the bad Obama has done.

[Demit]

96. Oh yeah? Who are the 'same people'?

That's such a lazy construction. For people who just want to make vague arguments they can't back up.

If you have a list of who are the 'same people' who idolized past liberal presidents but not Obama, SAY WHO THEY ARE. You have a cute nym but you want to make serious accusations, apparently. Well, put up or shut up, I say. Who are the 'same people' you're calling out?

[sheshe2]

107. I suggest you read GD~

[Bobbie Jo]

172. No shit.

Talk about "lazy."

[sheshe2]

176. They always wish us to do their homework for them Bobbie Jo!

[SidDithers]

35. No. The Kennedy's are beyond reproach at DU...

even when they're anti-vax asshats, like RFK Jr.

Sid

[LawDeeDah]

40. I am just learning about that, it's very dissappointing, and dangerous!

[LoisB]

41. I remember Malcolm X offering to send JFK a pen.

Kennedy's Campaign Tactics: 1) Promised an executive order barring racial discrimination in federal housing programs "with a stroke of my pen." This was in 1960. By the time of his assassination in 1963, he still had not found a pen with which to sign that executive order.

Robert Kennedy would have been a much better president on civil rights but Lyndon Johnson was probably the only one with the gonads to get the Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act through.

[Caretha]

135. Thank you LoisB

I see you do not have a vacuum like some, where their memory hole distorts the past and 2 months ago is almost ancient history.

[1dogleft]

86. thank you n/t

[ybbor]

64. I'm not so sure the rationale is the same

If I am correct, I am of the feeling that those folks on DU (of whom I will admit I am) who are criticizing Holder, are of the belief he was/is not progressive enough.

We wanted him to prosecute the banksters for their role in the financial collapse.

We wanted him to be more for the working class, and not so much pro-business.

We did not like his excuse, nor the president's of "we need to look forward and not back", when just the opposite is true of every legal proceeding.

We appreciate AG Holder for he did, BUT we expected/wanted more.

The fact that no one from the previous administration was held accountable for their self-admitted war crimes looms large.

We do not cheer his resignation out of disgust, but more out of what could have been.

I could be wrong, but that is my take.

[frazzled]

102. I think you are rare in your allowing for some accomplishment

Most of the "good riddance" posts are wholly of the negative variety. And I don't think there's any different rationale between this and the RFK issue: he was swathed in problems regarding surveillance and wiretapping, hardline anti-Communism, etc.

By the way, no one ever accomplishes everything. And no one is fully a saint. We saw this very clearly in the Roosevelts documentaries the other week. Both Teddy and FDR would have been reviled here had there been a DU at the time ... for what they did wrong or didn't do (which was a heck of a lot), not for what they did (which was also a lot).

[ybbor]

108. Agreed

But I do not believe conflating the reasons for the displeasure of his tenure to those held by the right wingers to be valid.

I guess I was more referring to the OP with some of my reasoning.

Yes his rationale for the carrying on of many of the previous administrations illegal practices, some in a more aggressive manner, is disconcerting.

I am trying to recall anything he did that was amazingly progressive and cannot come up with much, if any, off the top of my head. I guess I see his lack of transgressions along the AG Gonzales type as refreshing. What a horrible barometer to measured against!

We are both glad he is gone, but for very disparate reasons.

[marym625]

91. That's exactly why my mom's family

Couldn't stand Bobby Kennedy. There was a love hate thing going on there. My grandparents were from Ireland and the same age as Rose and Joe, had 10th kids (what's one kid at that point) Catholic, liberal democrats. But the link between Bobby and Mccarthy read turned most of them off.

Love the analogy

[Electric Monk]

3. For vastly different reasons, but don't let that trouble you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025587151

[Throd]

6. Yep. n/t

[phantom power]

8. +1000

[Skittles]

81. critical thinking skills allows one to know the difference

[QC]

169. Well, that's the problem right there. n/t

[mvd]

181. Exactly

Conservative wingnuts dislike him because of his good civil rights record.

Liberals like me think his stance on banks should have been far tougher. With the big people going to jail.

There's good and bad, just like with President Obama.

[Autumn]

4. Yes a pity

yes once again, many DUers siding with the right-wing GOP there's quite a bit of differences in the reasons some, well a lot actualy on our side celebrate him leaving.

[upaloopa]

5. I guess there is one accepted view on the AG

that we are supposed to have.

Can you spell it out for us so that we can all conform to your opinion?

[Gman]

23. Here it is:

You're either with us or against us. There is nothing else. You're either with the conservatives wanting to take down this administration at all costs or you.'re with us.

[upaloopa]

39. I'm 68 yrs old. I was born when Truman was

President. He was criticized by Dems as was Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton and now Obama. We don't vote then say "ok what ever you do is just fine."
In case you don't know it politicians are supposed to work for us not the other way around.

[snappyturtle]

85. Thank you. nt

[840high]

173. Thank you a zillion++++

[tularetom]

7. Not a fair comparison at all

The criticisms you read here on DU are the polar opposites from those put forth by idiots like these.

I doubt that Boner, Gomer, Issa and the other guy are pissed off because Holder failed to prosecute any bush era war criminals or Wall Street white collar thugs.

At the same time I don't think you're going to find may DUers unhappy that he did a great job in furthering voting rights, and LGBT issues.

[OnyxCollie]

10. Because allowing torture, massive fraud, domestic spying, and indefinite detention

is "rational."

Once again, many few loud DUers crying foul when the object of their irrational affection is rightly criticized.

[Tarheel_Dem]

11. It's amazing how much they have in common, ain't it? They hate all the same people.

[Union Scribe]

111. You mean like Alan Grayson?

I guess it's okay to hate some Dems, isn't it?

[Tarheel_Dem]

165. Hate anybody you want.

[sheshe2]

146. I surely do believe

that you mean those uppity black people, Tarheel.

Hmmm, First Black President and First Black AG ever. They are demonized on a fricking Democratic board. They are trashed and disrespected here. Not one accomplishment is praised.

Yet I have two people in posts above doubting that and calling me to post said crap. They want me to call out members so that they can alert on me. I for one will not go for the bait. It's here if they want to read it.

[Tarheel_Dem]

164. It's called plausible deniability. Either that, or just out & out fibbing. I, honestly, don't see..

much difference between the purists and the haters on the right. They claim to disapprove of both the POTUS & AG for "totally different reasons", but the complaints all run together. They can deny it all they want, something else is at the root of the supposed "disillusionment".

[sheshe2]

168. Holy.....

You just nailed it Tarheel.

"some thing else is at the root of the supposed "disillusionment"

yes, I believe you are correct.

[XemaSab]

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[Tarheel_Dem]

204. Luckily, she got a real jury of her peers. That wins hands down for the most ridiculous alert EVER!

[Douglas Carpenter]

12. It is NEVER right to criticize the leaders of the Party

The Party is the vanguard of the proletariat and the organized will of the people. To criticize a leader of the party is to criticize the people.

[davidpdx]

188. Of course, even when it's smearing President Obama on DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251377650

[Enthusiast]

207. Oh, bullshit!

Take your act somewhere where it will play.

[LanternWaste]

15. I find myself in agreement with Stalin who also...

"Once again, many DUers siding with the right-wing racist GOP. Pity..."


I find myself in agreement with Stalin who also liked cold cuts prior to bed. Someone should place a half-witted graphic comparing the two of us to better reinforce their pronounced and dramatic lack of context... in a most colorful form with bullet points and a cool, wavy background, of course.

[LondonReign2]

46. +1,000

Hitler liked dogs. I must be a Nazi.

[Cooley Hurd]

63. Well played!

[sabrina 1]

16. Our lips are now sealed. There it is again, we. must. not. ever. legitimately. criticize.

any. policies. no. matter. how. bad. if. it's. a. Democrat. BECAUSE? Republicans!!

Why are some Democrats so frightened AND concerned about what Republicans think or say that they are willing to support the WORST policies of their own party because of Republicans?

What is your point here? Fyi, I don't give a rat's ass what moronic Republicans have to say. I care about this COUNTRY.

You seem to 'warning' DUers not to open their mouths about anything, no matter how bad it is, because of morons who are certifiably crazy? Is that your message? Let the country go to hell rather than risk the possibility of being accused of being associated with Republicans?

Let me set your mind at rest. It is REPUBLICAN POLICIES we are upset about. So you have no need to worry at all. Unless of course you agree with Republican policies, which is another discussion altogether.

[davidpdx]

191. Hardly, whether it be policies or accomplishments it seems to be fair game on DU

Here's a case of smearing the president right out in the open even when it's not true. If it is a difference of opinion, fine. I understand that. But out and out lying is another thing.

[BrotherIvan]

17. Hatred?

[sheshe2]

90. I beg to differ. nt

[BrotherIvan]

98. So you do not understand the difference between criticizing someone's work performance

and hating them? Really? Because I have not seen one--not one--post that discussed him personally. No personal enmity, no wishing him harm, or calling him evil.

I'd like to see a link to a single post by a DU member this week on Holder you can actually define as "hatred."

I'll wait.

[sheshe2]

105. Oooh ya.

I know the difference.

Two firsts here. Our first Black President and our first Black AG, vilified! Never an on ounce of respect or credit for a job well done. That sure as hell is not mere criticism. That is hate.

[SunSeeker]

106. +1

[sheshe2]

110. Thank you SunSeeker.

Thank you~

[joeglow3]

122. You realize you didn't do what was asked of you

Instead, you ignored it, all the while claiming the truth of what you said. Intellectually dishonest.

[sheshe2]

129. Do you wish me to get a hide as well?

It is against DU rules as you and BrotherIvan know.

Stop going for a hide, read GD on your own. The answers are there if you wish to see them.

We are done here.

[joeglow3]

131. Post to a thread with it in it

I can honestly say I have never seen hatred for Holder on DU.

[sheshe2]

132. Nope!

No hides. I will not be baited to have my voice hidden here.

And as I said, read GD. Do a search, it's there.

[joeglow3]

133. Email it to me

[e-mail]

[sheshe2]

134. Nope...

I do believe that you would find a way to use it against me, joeglow. I don't know you from Adam. Why should I trust you?

Do a DU google search.

[Electric Monk]

137. ...

[sheshe2]

180. Wipe out?

In your dreams!

[joeglow3]

139. I did a google search of DU And found nothing

Thus,we are back to you making a claim that cannot support. In the academic community, that means you and your claim are easily dismissed.

[joeglow3]

148. Better ye. Post in a thread with the hatred.

That will bump it and I will see it.

[Electric Monk]

187. Crickets, while still misrepresenting reality elsewhere

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5590128

[sheshe2]

199. great link!

[BrotherIvan]

125. Links?

Please provide a link to actual statements of hatred against Holder personally. Perhaps that is why so many around here throw around the word "hate" because he or she does not know what it means. Criticism does not equal hate.

crit·i·cism noun \ˈkri-tə-ˌsi-zəm\

: the act of expressing disapproval and of noting the problems or faults of a person or thing : the act of criticizing someone or something

: a remark or comment that expresses disapproval of someone or something

: the activity of making careful judgments about the good and bad qualities of books, movies, etc.

That is what the critical posts are doing, expressing disapproval for his job performance, not about him personally and certainly no indication that there is some underlying racial agenda. Posters are pointing out his work for voting rights, and no one has said that is a bad thing, but there are issues where he did not defend the rights of Americans who lost their homes and their jobs due to the bankers crashing the economy, the hardest hit being African Americans and minorities.

Home ownership among blacks fell about twice as much in percentage terms as among whites during the housing crash, according to Harvard University’s Joint Center for Housing Studies. And minorities, including blacks, have lost their homes to foreclosure at higher rates than whites.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-05/first-black-president-can-t-help-blacks-stem-wealth-drop.html

So maybe some justice on that front would have helped people as well, but Holder chose not to go after them. We're talking about their homes, their jobs, their pensions, their savings, STOLEN by these criminals. As many have pointed out, including Senator Warren, even if they did not think they could have gotten a conviction, the discovery for the trial alone would have been invaluable to individuals and states who then wanted to sue. In a sense this administration has solidified a two-tiered justice system, because when it was time to hold the wealthy accountable for stealing people's lives, AG Holder did not even try.

The implication that because they are African American, President Obama and AG Holder should never be criticized means they are not equal to the other people who have held the same job. I criticized the shit out of Reagan, does that mean he is somehow better or tougher, more able to fill that post? Or that we should have low expectations for people of color in office which is in fact a kind of passive racism that is just as insidious.

People criticizing Holder are putting forth arguments to back up their statements. It would be far better to refute those arguments than just throw out words that don't apply.

[sheshe2]

126. See post 124~

[BrotherIvan]

127. I guess substance is impossible

I'll put it in meme form for you next time.

[sheshe2]

128. ...

[Caretha]

138. Perhaps

you don't know when "a job is well done".

I'll at least give you that much of the 'benefit of the doubt'.

I think you must be either easily mislead or blinded by brass rings and have low expectations. That is a real possibility depending on your biological age.

[sheshe2]

151. Wow, you said..."Perhaps you don't know when "a job is well done"." Realy Caretha?

Perhaps you do not know when a job is well done. Guess it is all about priorities, is it not!?

Eric Holder: A nation of cowards

In honor of Attorney General Eric Holder's announcement today, I'd like to invite you to listen to the speech he gave to staff at the Department of Justice during Black History Month 2009. No U.S. Attorney General has ever spoken more boldly or acted more aggressively on behalf of civil rights for all Americans.

And~


Ryan J. Reilly ✔ @ryanjreilly
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Holder, per #DOJ official, has no immediate plans to step down and wants to focus on causes like #Ferguson during remaining days.
11:02 AM - 25 Sep 2014



AG Holder to step down following six-year tenure

By Steve Benen

———————-

Political procedures aside, Holder is leaving the Attorney General’s office with a legacy more impressive than much of the political world generally appreciates.

Regular readers may recall that I’ve long been impressed with Holder’s progressive accomplishments, which haven’t always been front-page news, but which have made a significant difference in the lives of millions of Americans.

The A.G., for example, has shown amazing leadership on the issue of LGBT rights. He’s challenged Republican restrictions on voting rights. He’s fought for sentencing reforms. He’s condemned “Stand Your Ground” laws and showed effective leadership during the crisis in Ferguson. He cleared the way for Colorado and the state of Washington to pursue marijuana legalization. He’s worked to reverse the disenfranchisement of the formerly incarcerated.

————————————

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/ag-holder-step-down-following-six-year-tenure#break

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11878907#post3

FYI~ These were posted in the African American Group, in case you wish to respond.

Really, Caretha? Civil rights is a brass ring to you!? African Americans and their rights mean nothing to you? Is it all about pot and banks or is it about people? How about LGBT rights? Stand your ground laws?

I think you must be either easily mislead or blinded by brass rings and have low expectations. That is a real possibility depending on your biological age.

[Caretha]

153. Here's what your "civil rights" hero

accomplished. I dare you to read this article & continue to defend his policies and accuse other DUers of not caring about civil rights issues.

http://www.thenation.com/article/176915/scandal-racist-marijuana-arrests-and-what-do-about-it?page=0,0

The Scandal of Racist Marijuana Arrests—and What To Do About It

The federal government has subsidized the criminalization of millions of young people simply for having a small amount of pot.

Whites Smoke Pot, but Blacks Are Arrested.” That was the headline of a column by Jim Dwyer, the great Metro desk reporter for The New York Times, in December 2009. Although Dwyer was writing about New York City, he summed up perfectly two central and enduring facts about marijuana use and arrests across the country: whites and blacks use marijuana equally, but the police do not arrest them equally. A third important fact: the vast majority (76 percent) of those arrested and charged with the crime of marijuana possession are young people in their teens and 20s.

Sources for the information in this article can be found at thenation.com/marijuana and at the site of the Marijuana Arrest Research Project, which is run by author Harry Levine and civil liberties attorney Loren Siegel.

Over the last fifteen years, police departments in the United States made 10 million arrests for marijuana possession—an average of almost 700,000 arrests a year. Police arrest blacks for marijuana possession at higher rates than whites in every state and nearly every city and county—as FBI Uniform Crime Reports and state databases indisputably show. States with the largest racial disparities arrest blacks at six times the rate of whites. This list includes Alabama, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, Nebraska, Nevada, New York and Wisconsin.

Big city police departments are among the worst offenders. Police in Los Angeles, Chicago and New York have arrested blacks for marijuana possession at more than seven times the rate of whites. Since 1997, New York City alone has arrested and jailed more than 600,000 people for possessing marijuana; about 87 percent of the arrests are of blacks and Latinos. For years, police in New York and Chicago have arrested more young blacks and Latinos for simple marijuana possession than for any other criminal offense whatsoever.


Now for the reason why

* * *

The national crusade against marijuana can be traced to the early 1990s, as the “war on drugs” shifted its focus from crack cocaine to marijuana under Bill Clinton. Since then, Congress has regularly allocated billions in federal funding to local police and prosecutors under the Justice Department’s anti-drug and police programs. Grantees often report their drug possession arrests as evidence of their accomplishments using these funds—and as proof that they should receive more. Federal money has thus subsidized the arrests of millions of young people for possessing marijuana, disproportionately young people of color. Prominent blue-state Democrats like Joe Biden, Dianne Feinstein, Charles Schumer, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have strongly supported these grants over the years; in 2009, the fiscal stimulus actually doubled the anti-drug funding for local law enforcement agencies.

With this federal support and encouragement, arrests for marijuana possession climbed from a crack-era low of 260,000 in 1990, to 500,000 in 1995, to 640,000 in 2000, to 690,000 in 2005, to 750,000 in 2010. The ACLU calculates that these arrests have cost taxpayers at least $3.6 billion a year. And there is absolutely no evidence that they reduce serious or violent crime—or even drug use.





Always follow the money & you will have your answers. Many want to blame "Big Pharma" for these laws, but the truth is "Big Pharma" will profit when legalization occurs.

[SunSeeker]

183. That Nation article doesn't blame marijuana arrests on Holder.

It blames Congress and local cops, but mostly local cops:

So the question again becomes: Why? Why have these millions of arrests happened? Why is it so hard to stop them? While federal funding and drug war propaganda have helped drive marijuana arrests, police and sheriffs' departments have had their own reasons to embrace and fiercely defend the practice. Central to understanding the national marijuana arrest crusade is the fact that significant constituencies within police departments benefit from marijuana arrests, find them useful for internal departmental purposes, and want them to continue. 

For ordinary patrol officers, marijuana arrests are relatively safe and easy work.

...

Police departments concentrate their patrols only in certain neighborhoods, usually ones designated as "high crime." These are mainly places where low-income whites and people of color live. In these neighborhoods, police stop and search the most vehicles and individuals while looking for "contraband" of any type to make an arrest. The most common item that people in any neighborhood possess that will get them arrested—and the most common item that police find—is a small amount of marijuana.

Not much Holder could do about that. WE have to get off our asses and vote to legalize pot. Holder made sure we still have the ability to do that, despite a withering, relentless attack by the GOP on the right to vote.

Where Holder could make a difference on racist drug laws, he did. Holder did manage to reform the disparate sentencing for rock versus powder cocaine.http://america.aljazeera.com/blogs/scrutineer/2014/7/17/sentencing-changescouldfreeover51000federalprisoners.html

To the 51,000 to be freed by these reforms, Eric Holder is indeed a civil rights hero.

[sheshe2]

185. +1 Thank you!

[SunSeeker]

190. You're welcome. I know how it feels to get ganged up on.

The mean mockery and pointless gifs..none of that seems to get hidden. But the minute you call someone out or tell them where they can stuff their insult, your post gets hidden. Keep up the good fight sheshe2, and don't let them goad you into a hide.

[sheshe2]

192. Not happening SunSeeker.

A friend warned of their intent.

[BlueCaliDem]

140. + 2

[sheshe2]

124. Good try BTW~

You want me to call out others, break DU rules so that you can get me a hide?

not happening~

[tkmorris]

18. Look, Republicans will ALWAYS attack Dem candidates, officeholders, and appointees

That is a given. Nobody with a "D" after their name will ever escape their feces throwing, red-faced, spittle flying tirades.

Using your logic however a Democrat may never criticize another Democrat, not ever, because if they do obviously they will be "siding" with the Republicans. How can such a position possibly make sense to you?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. Hitler was a vegetarian and non smoker. Hence everybody who eats vegetable and doesn't smoke is

a Nazi.

Makes about as much sense and has about as much validity as the OP.

[Rex]

20. Whining about DU is a time honored tradition.

Carry on.

[Scootaloo]

21. Funny, aren't you espousing Reagan's "Eleventh Commandment?" n/t

[dilby]

24. Many Republicans say the sky is blue, you going to argue against that too?

Just because you agree sometimes doesn't mean you are siding with the opposition.

[elleng]

29. Most republicans have no idea what color the 'sky' is, unfortunately.

They used to know and be rational, but they've lost it. Sorry for them, and for all of us.

[LawDeeDah]

42. And why? Becuase their heads are up their asses all the time.

We see sky, they see MyTube.

[Caretha]

141. Lame

[elleng]

144. Yes they are.

[Caretha]

149. Could you find

a better analogy than Republicans do not know that the sky is blue?

Because that is just silly and makes no sense. It also does not support your argument and makes you look clueless. I'm sure you don't want to look clueless, right? or is that left? I'm so confused these days.

[elleng]

194. I followed dilby's comment about blue sky.

[RedCappedBandit]

25. It's the why that matters. nt

[elleng]

27. Damn right, Irish.

[BlindTiresias]

28. OH NO!!!!

MY TEAM!!! MY TEAM!!!! THE BARBARIANS ARE AT THE GATES!

[FlatStanley]

30. So you're on board with letting the Bankster go free?

You're down with the complete reversal of civil rights and abortion rights with little to no push back from the DOJ? Stand Your Ground Gone Wild is hunky dory for you?

Just wondering what achievements overshadow those failures.

I know it is difficult for some to comprehend, but you can dislike someone for actual failures while others can dislike someone for fantasy failures. It does not mean these two groups are the same.

[Sherman A1]

31. So,

we are not to criticize the government or leadership should we disagree with them?

[SidDithers]

32. DU rec...

They sure sound like Republicans, don't they.

Sid

[BrotherIvan]

36. Canada?

[SidDithers]

37. Potato?...nt

Sid

[Cali_Democrat]

61. LOL. nt

[sheshe2]

200. Yup!

lol~ the pout rage is unbearable at times~

[DisgustipatedinCA]

66. Ideologically speaking, you're much closer to the GOP than those you accuse.

You reserve your ire for those to the left of you. Republicans are to the right of you. Therefore, by definition and not subject to debate, you are closer to the Republivan party than those whose character you're trying to assassinate.

Give me your best emoticon, Sid.

[SidDithers]

69. ...

Sid

[DisgustipatedinCA]

70. Yes, but are you able to answer my post with, you know...words?

[SixString]

77. Nailed it! n/t

[CrawlingChaos]

170. Game, set, match. (n/t)

[freshwest]

195. That amazing indulgence I came across in British Columbia:

I had no idea they'd make something like that. Basic fare, but good...

[bobduca]

119. "They" do

The nerve of some of them! I bet you'd vote against them if you could!

some of them probably even look like this:

[SidDithers]

121. That's the best you got, Moochy?...nt

Sid

[bobduca]

159. Think Local , stop acting globally...

rabble.ca
Get thee hence to a more geographically appropriate politics forum!

[SidDithers]

174. Nah, that place is full of zombies...nt

Sid

[bobduca]

178. Check this one out, maybe more your speed!

http://www.canadaka.net/forums/conservative-party-f64/

[Caretha]

142. Sid Sid Sid

...shakes head. I know you can do much better.

[Sheepshank]

33. for all the doubting Thomas's on this thread, how about this "good riddance" example?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5587662

not even going to waste my time looking up the rest since it's clear there are plenty on DU that are spout RW talking points.

[Autumn]

43. I recced that OP, I read it and it's pretty much right . What part isn't true?

I do think he has done a decent job on voting rights and LGBT issues which were appriciated and were great but on the whole he has not been good on other important things.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025586874

[Number23]

206. 37 recs for that one. That explains why he made another one. That one's sitting at 85 recs

Maybe third time's the charm??

[BeyondGeography]

34. War crimes

That's my favorite one.

The Koch Brothers are funding a national effort to suppress the vote and Holder is a sellout because he focuses on that and doesn't put the DOJ behind an unprecedented and incendiary effort to re-litigate the Bush/Cheney years.

Political dumbfuckery of the highest order. GO TEAM!

[LawDeeDah]

38. I couldn't read here today with all that dripping hate, the same kind that Obama has to take.

Just the headlines made me want to hurl. At least the names will be remembered, that's one good thing.

[leftstreet]

57. I hope you'll help us all remember

This is just a travesty

[djean111]

59. Oh, my, taking names, are you? Will you be brandishing a list at some point?

Welcome to DU! I don't know if there is an Official Topic for taking names, but there might be!

[pintobean]

87. They found the right group.

[LawDeeDah]

97. No list needed.

Unless you think having a memory is some kind of rule breaking.

[Scuba]

44. Irrational? Hardly ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025586874

[SomethingFishy]

47. Hey.. no fair using his actual record...

[Vattel]

45. Yes, Holder sucks, and so do fallacious guilt-by-association arguments.

[progressoid]

48. Republicans eat donuts. And I eat donuts.

Therefore, I'm a Republican.

[LondonReign2]

49. What a great point

I mean, the President has described his own economic policies as 1980's mainstream Republican. Reagan was the President in the '80's. So you must support Reagan's policies, amiright?

Seriously, I would have been given a failing grade in middle school debate if I tried to put forth an argument like the OP.

[MisterP]

60. I know, right? that's how I know the OPs are *not* part of any campaign and are letting their brains

poop all over the keyboard on their own initiative

it's like the constant cries of racism--I mean, people can criticized Francisco Macías Nguema or Idi Amin without being shouted down as Klansmen ...

[cali]

50. I have praised Holder for his civil rights work and criticized him for his failure

in prosecuting the criminal activities of banks and other wall street entities and those individuals directly responsible.

that's not remotely "irrational".

[arcane1]

51. Name-calling should solve that problem.

God forbid people have opinions that don't conform to Party Orthodoxy

[hobbit709]

52. Only to a BOGger would disappointment be considered hatred.

I'm disappointed about:
Letting War Criminals go free
Letting banksters go free
Letting torture continue
Letting domestic spying continue
Harassing medical marijuana clinics and growers.

Should I continue?
Will you even bother to listen?

[Skittles]

82. it's only for THIS prez

so it is HYPOCRISY too

[Doctor_J]

53. You mean toward liberals? I have noticed that too.

That started about the time the president switched from his campaign persona to his "centrist" one.

[JonLP24]

54. Depends on the substance

I wouldn't go as far as them but his rationale for refusing to prosecute bankers was ridiculous, the aggressive approach against whistle blowers but he has done a lot of good.

Probably the best AG when it comes to drugs. (Actually a mixed bag but has gotten much better over the years and I think a lame duck period will help him make the changes he wants)

[AnalystInParadise]

55. So....

Is there a form we can fill out that lets us know what shibboleths we can and cannot complain about?

[randome]

56. Again, the hate-fest begins, not for something someone did, but for something he didn't do.

Always, always, ALWAYS emphasize the negative. It's what the cool kids are doing today.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[SomethingFishy]

72. I'm sorry but that does not fly.. at all.. Here are some things Holder actually DID

that I found nothing short of disgusting... and it's a long list of lives ruined that shouldn't have been and didn't need to be.

http://www.canorml.org/costs/federal_medical_marijuana_prisoners_and_cases


And now Holder as he's leaving decides he was mistaken, after ruining all these lives?

Yeah keep on barking up that tree that says Holder was flawless and a huge loss for "us". Maybe for you, not for me.

[randome]

73. Castigate him for enforcing the law?

You're doing exactly what I said: blaming him for NOT making his own law.

Holder has, at the very least, a mixed bag as AG. To emphasize the negative is to ignore what he accomplished. I'm not saying to make him your personal hero. But look at the facts.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[SomethingFishy]

76. Bullshit. Those people on that list were all operating LEGALLY

in their state. Holder had a choice not to continue the raids yet he did. And he did it against the will of the people who actually voted on this law.

These people are ruined and he as he's walking out the door says "oops sorry, my bad"?


Holders record on Civil Rights is commendable. Everything else? Crap.

[randome]

84. So you think he simply likes screwing over strangers whenever he can find the time?

Based on his overall record, I'd bet this issue is more complex than we see from our balconies.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]

[bobduca]

115. Thank you

[stevenleser]

154. Well said. nt

[freshwest]

205. Negative people, by definition, aren't for anything. They're stuck in a rut and will stay that way.

If they see anyone trying to mitigate evil, reform or change anything, it's like having the rug pulled out from under their feet:



It's so safe there. You can't fall if you stay cynical and put everyone else down. As things don't work out, the self-fulfilling cycle merely repeats.

I say, let 'em go, don't worry...

[hughee99]

58. The republicans don't seem to like ISIS very much. They must be good people then.

To think otherwise, you'd be siding with the right-wing racist GOP.

[AnalystInParadise]

62. Hahahahaha

Careful......nobody likes logic.

[QC]

65. Truly an impressive exercise in BOGlogic.

Nice work!

[Rex]

68. Thread win!

[Cali_Democrat]

71. You kidding? Republicans lurve them some ISIS, they just won't admit it out loud

Gun-toting religious fanatics who hate women and oppress other ethnic groups?

OH...GOPers will pretend to not like them, but deep down I have no doubt they admire them...

[m-lekktor]

116. on what planet do the wingnuts in the GOP like muslims?

they lump them all together, the moderates and extremists! they are the biggest islamophobes on the planet. holy crap you have GOT to be kidding! i have heard everything now.

[hughee99]

120. And here's why your 100% wrong...

even though they may seem similar, both groups tote different kinds of guns, have a different religion and oppress different ethnic groups. To use an analogy, it's not really about what sport you play, but what team you root for. The only thing they really have in common is their oppression of women.

[joeglow3]

123. There are degrees

No one can honestly think there is a comparison being the hatred of the two. Don't get me wrong. The right is anti woman, but they sure as shit aren't stoning them to death because they got gang raped.

[stevenleser]

155. Really? John McCain seemed to be happy when he met with them.

[hughee99]

196. Wasn't McCain, just last week, "vouching" for various Syran groups in hopes of arming them

in the battle against ISIS? If he's willing to put what passes for his credibility on the line just to arm enemies of ISIS, he can't be that happy with them now.

[Thinkingabout]

67. When one only looks at one issue it may be bad, when you look at the overall record it is good.

Thanks Eric for your services.

[BlueCaliDem]

143. Hear! Hear! eom

[msanthrope]

74. At this point, they've had to go to a Ron Paul supporter for substantive

critique.

You Better Believe It!

[leftstreet]

75. Who is 'they?' n/t

[AverageJoe90]

78. Speaking as a Bogger myself, I do respect Holder but he wasn't perfect.

Yes, he did fall short on some things.....prosecuting crooked bankers was one of them.

There is plenty of criticism that may have been levelled from the left, but unlike with the RW, I have plenty of reason to doubt racism had anything to do with it.....take that as you may.

[Jack Rabbit]

79. Please provide some context, sir

I refuse to be put in the same boat as Darell Issa or Louie Gohmert because I believe Holder will go down in history as a poor, perhaps even corrupt, Attorney General. Holder's failings include failure to prosecute Bush administration war criminals, failure to prosecute crooked Wall Bankers, defense of the NSA spy on everyone program, defense of assassination of American citizens without trial and persecution of whistleblowers.

These are real failings, not a ginned up scandal like Benghazi.

I also count as a failing Mr. Holder's inability to hold back the GOP assault on the right to vote. Many are lauding him today for what action he took without mentioning that if Mr. Holder's party loses the Senate, it will be because Republicans successfully barred American citizens from the polling place. Of course, Mr. Holder didn't desire the outcome, but he failed to stop it. There are times that good intentions just aren't good enough.

However, the scandals mentioned in the first paragraph, also mentioned by Matthew Rothschild in The Progressive, were done with no good intentions at all. Denial of due process or the right of Americans to be free from overreaching government intrusion are as much an assault on American democracy as is the denial voting rights.

So excuse me, but add me to those who, unlike Darell Issa or Louie Gohmert, are giving a principled and informerd good riddance to Attorney General Eric Holder.

[blackspade]

80. Hyperbolic fail.

Linking stupid rethug bullshit to legitimate criticism.

Classy.

[BumRushDaShow]

83. Bingo!

[Enthusiast]

88. Completely unrecommended.

Criticism of Holder from some on DU hardly constitutes hatred. The complaints you hear from DUers on Holder are perfectly justified. These complaints bear no resemblance to fake Republican rhetoric.

[99Forever]

92. Nothing "irrational" about it.

That's the stupidest attempt to defend that tool of the 1% I've read yet.


Go away Holder, you are worse than useless.

[Iliyah]

93. K & R

[Marr]

94. You do realize you're saying any criticism of the Obama Administration from people on the left is

"siding with the right-wing", right?

How could anyone take your arguments in defense of the administration seriously when you make posts like this one?

[LawDeeDah]

101. There is quite the difference between healthy criticism and outright irrational rage.

And along with that irrationality comes all sorts of nasty name calling and reducing Mr. Holder to a Thing, not a person.

[LondonReign2]

109. It appears "irrational" was the word of the day

in the fax today.

[QC]

112. True. You can always tell when Message Discipline has sent out the new talking points. n/t

[uponit7771]

136. reflexive ... does that change AGs critics minds? nah.. they still hate him no matter what words

... are being used

[bobduca]

118. this argument

only works in BOGs

[cheapdate]

95. Eric Holder fought Texas voter disenfranchisement all the way to the Supreme Court.

He's fought GOP voter suppression laws in Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, North Carolina, etc.

The GOP absolutely hates him for it.

The left is like, so what? Who cares? Doesn't mean shit.

[LondonReign2]

100. Shouldn't we expect a Democratic AG to fight GOP voter suppression?

I mean, shouldn't that be sort of a minimum expectation?

[cheapdate]

104. Yes.

Do you think it's possible to say anything positive about Eric Holder? Is there anything positive at all that he has done that you think is worth mentioning?

[LondonReign2]

113. Not defending DOMA

I think that one is to his credit.

I think the defense of corporations and government spying and torturing outweigh the good of his civil rights efforts.

[cheapdate]

150. Fair enough.

Maybe they do outweigh but they don't erase.

[Plucketeer]

99. The four of these charlatan rubes

don't collectively exhibit enough IQ to embarrass a maggot.

[IkeRepublican]

103. Just because Repukes don't like him doesn't mean we have to blow him

Holder deliberately coddled and delivered candy by the truck load to Wall Street while shining ass in other matters his underlings could have taken care of.

THAT is why Democrats don't like him. And let's not kid ourselves, the man is a bigot - which blows my mind that any Democrat would support that trouser snake.

Cherry picking is for Repukes.

[bobduca]

114. Such BS

drink less think more.

[gwheezie]

117. I think holder was a good ag

One of our best. I am not comparing him to what I wanted him to do but to other actual ag's. I hope the next one continues to protect voting rights.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

130. This OP is all about you trying to establish a centrist baseline for "normal" around here.

You're not the first person to try this, but your attempt will have been a failure, just like the rest. Do you like Eric Holder and everything he's done while AG? Great. But realize that not everyone feels that way, and you can't just explain it away by accusing those to the left of you of being in collusion with those to the right of you. This is a nonsensical charge, and it drags the level of discourse down to where the inhalant freaks hang out, so please knock it off. You're making the place look like it's governed by the whims of second graders, and that's embarrassing.

[Harmony Blue]

145. Holder has done a poor job

if I was to give him a grade it would be a D+. Obama I would grade as a B+ range.

Based on my subjective grading system Holder is not up to par to be part of the Obama administration which is why I am content with him gone now.

[NanceGreggs]

147. Those posting the hatred ...

... do not see it as "hatred" - nor do they see it as "irrational".

To them, calling the President a piece of shit used car salesman, the Liar-in-Chief, a bloodthirsty warmonger, a spineless idiot, a Manchurian candidate, a Trojan Horse, a puppet of the 1%, a shill for the corporate ruling class, a DINO, a pimp for Big Business, a self-serving sellout, et cetera, are simply expressing their "criticism of his policies".

It's very much like the RWers - they can't seem to criticize Obama's "policies" without calling him a secret Kenyan-born Muslim who is just another shill for lazy welfare queens, a sellout to the abortion "industry", and a pimp for the "gay agenda".

Same goes for Holder, and a myriad of other Democrats - because for many here, any Democrat in office, or in a position appointed by the Democratic president, is equally guilty of being all of the above.

For some people here, there is nothing "irrational" about their need to express their political savvy by name-calling, or by comparing Obama to Dubya (seriously, dude, they have both worn pants during every SOTU address - coincidence? Yeah, right!)

It's all about "criticism of policies", DI. And the fact that the "policy critics" can't focus on policy - or, more often, can't even be specific about what "policy" they're addressing - should not be taken as overt and mindless bashing of Obama and other Democrats.

They are simply trying to express their dissatisfaction with a President and a Party they've been told to be dissatisfied with by the "Better Believe It" True Progressives TM who are now more than welcome on this site.

[Caretha]

152. You know Nance

you need to get a newer better fresher meme...or you might become obsolete.

You have posted at my last count at least 10 times "To them, calling the President a piece of shit used car salesman,".

You are beginning to bore me. ....well I say that, but you always have. Seriously though...that was one poster on DU ...Will Pitt who made that rant...

It is very obvious he hurt your feelings...we get it. I still don't think we should behead Will for it. I think he was emotional at the time, perhaps even inebriated, but it was his heart felt post.

Maybe we don't all agree with the way he posed or minced those words...but

you are a writer supposedly - so shouldn't you be coming up with new fresh material to make us all think?

[stevenleser]

156. Problem is, she's right. '4' might seem a boring answer in response to 2+2 but is right and it

always will be.

[Caretha]

157. Oh stevenleser

she is not right.

You are going to tell an old woman how to add? Please we were feeding you pablum while you were in diapers.

Also, you do realize your post doesn't make sense?

[stevenleser]

158. It's pretty obviously makes sense. You said Nance 'needs a less boring and fresher meme'

I said the right answer is boring if repeated. Doesn't make it wrong.

Have no idea what you think the age comment matters other than to be silly.

[Caretha]

160. I get it

that you don't get it.

[Electric Monk]

161. But... "It's pretty obviously makes sense." Don't you see the logic in that?

[Caretha]

163. I try

really I do.

[bobduca]

179. That message brought to you by scotchy scotch scotch

[sheshe2]

175. Well if Nance bores you, oh wait, she always has bored you. lol!

Put her on ignore! That is a pretty simple thing to do. Yet no, you wish to take the stage!

It is very obvious he hurt your feelings...we get it. I still don't think we should behead Will for it. I think he was emotional at the time, perhaps even inebriated, but it was his heart felt post.

What a load of~ He hurt Nances feelings? Nope he hurt many here on DU! There are many that are hurting here on DU. Physically and financially. Many here live hand to mouth. Did you see any of us posting POS posts. And here you are supporting him by saying he was emotional and maybe inebriated at that time.

Hey, he doubled down on his second post as well. The Prez sucks! Maybe he finally deleted that first post when the RW had a field day with it. Ya! I found out when I googled Pitt to find his exact quote. The hits were mind boggling!

Holy....

[Caretha]

177. Excuse me

I think its funny you think you know me or portend to tell me what to do. Who the hell do you think you are?

Where do you think you get off telling me what to do. I suggest you do what you told me what to do...

You can't take what I have to say without being snippy - snotty and juvenile...put me on ignore. I promise it won't hurt my feelings.

[sheshe2]

184. Oh my~

you are angry.

You can't take what I have to say without being snippy - snotty and juvenile...

Nope! I have no one on ignore, I love seeing what is being said here, The Good The Bad and The Ugly. I read it all.

[davidpdx]

186. The truth of that matter is that WAS used on DU

The fact that it was and the person essentially got away with doing so is above reproach. I'm glad you defend the person who did it because it goes to show that you would make excuses for anything people say on DU especially when it comes down to a popularity contest.

"I think he was emotional at the time, perhaps even inebriated, but it was his heart felt post."

I find the excuse that he was drunk and blaming President Obama for all his woes thin.

Maybe we should forgive Alex Baldwin when he was on the floor yelling at his daughter. He was just drunk you know.

Maybe you ought to support this one as well because you know god forbid we don't get enough bashing in.

[Caretha]

189. OMG

it was used on DU???

Oh fuck.

I didn't realize that....a democratic forum (heavy emphasis on democratic)

You are so right...mea culpa.

I understand now, please pardon...for now on I will be in lock step. Please email me the acceptable and unacceptable. I hate it when I'm not in lock step.

[Cha]

202. Too bad you're "bored".. "POS Used Car Salesman" hurt no one but the writer of that

screed. Maybe that's why he finally self-deleted.. since it was being featured on rw attack blogs?

Yeah, "one poster" who sucked in a lot of Recs with his vicious raging.. ".. perhaps he was inebriated."? Like that excuses anything.

[gwheezie]

166. Thank you nt

[SunSeeker]

167. You nailed it Nance.

As usual.

[sheshe2]

193. +1!

[Cha]

171. Here's what AG Holder has Accomplished that his attackers on DU won't Acknowledge, DIrish..

mata @mataharikrishna
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Holder will stay on the job through confirmation of the new AG. Brilliant. Welcome to your tight corner, GOP senators. ::smirk::

6:12 AM - 25 Sep 2014 28 Retweets 12 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/09/25/later-today-2/

HumanRightsCampaign ✔ @HRC
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Some AGs await history, others make history happen. AG Holder was LGBT community's RFK & we’re deeply grateful.-Chad Griffin @TheJusticeDept
5:10 AM - 25 Sep 2014 65 Retweets 49 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/09/25/rise-and-shine-912/

Federal Government Sues Companies Over Anti-Transgender Discrimination Claims

An historic first from the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.

snip//

WASHINGTON — The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission filed lawsuits Thursday against two companies accused of discriminating against transgender employees, the first time the federal government has brought suit under the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to protect transgender workers.

The two complaints, filed in federal courts in Florida and Michigan, are the latest — and most ambitious — steps in a series of aggressive moves taken by the commission in the past several years to advance LGBT rights under existing laws

More~
http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/federal-government-sues-companies-over-anti-transgender-disc?utm_term=2lz4kze#3r557d0

Ryan J. Reilly ✔ @ryanjreilly
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Holder, per #DOJ official, has no immediate plans to step down and wants to focus on causes like #Ferguson during remaining days.
5:02 AM - 25 Sep 2014 287 Retweets 79 favorites

Culture of Truth @Bobblespeak

Eric Holder will leave as soon as Obama's choice to replace him is approved by the U.S. Senate.
In other words, he's not going anywhere.

4:51 AM - 25 Sep 2014 49 Retweets 16 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/09/25/rise-and-shine-912/

ThisMagicalEarth @MagicalEarth
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Due to AG Holder's efforts, federal prison population DROPS by roughly 4,800. 1st time in decades. http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_FEDERAL_PRISON_POPULATION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT … #ProudofAGHolder
8:34 AM - 25 Sep 2014 28 Retweets 10 favorites

Nancy LeTourneau @Smartypants60
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To understand AG Holder’s legacy, you have to start with some awareness of just how much Dubya’s admin f*cked up DOJ’s Civil Rights Division
7:30 AM - 25 Sep 2014 74 Retweets 38 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/09/25/president-obama-speaks-at-the-u-n-meeting-on-ebola/


TheObamaDiary.com @TheObamaDiary
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President Obama to AG Holder: "In good times & in bad, you have been there for me. I am proud to call you my friend."
10:45 AM - 25 Sep 2014 164 Retweets 93 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2014/09/25/president-obama-announces-ag-holders-departure/



Ms. Net @NETRetired
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#Hannity 2 humble, awesome brilliant African-Americans who make USA proud: @BarackObama #POTUS & AG Holder! Dare u RT
12:55 PM - 25 Sep 2014 57 Retweets 25 favorites



http://www.democraticunderground.com/110225653

[sheshe2]

198. Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cha!

[Old and In the Way]

182. This is the new DU.

If you support a Democrat, you are a Republican. If you think Obama is ligjtyears better than Bush/Cheney...you are a Republican. You have to hate any Democrat that has to deal with reality. Wanna make Warren or Sanders or Brown President? Watch how fast they dissapoint their proponents. There is no Democrat or Progressive that will make the smart people on DU happy. Us dummies will keep trying our damndest to keep Republicans from controlling who gets elected to SCOTUS...but we are ptobably RINOs by the very smartest, very leftist of the people who post here. They can share my bag of salted dicks, though.

[Wella]

197. You can be unhappy about an AG's policy's without being a right winger

There is much the left wing, including the ACLU, is not happy about in Holder's policies.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

203. wow. like rats from a sinking ship. for real