Bush NEVER ONCE did this.

[riqster]

?1

[CaliforniaPeggy]

1. And ain't that the truth?

K&R

[Lochloosa]

2. Booked marked so I have this pic

[NYC_SKP]

3. Recommended. (nt)

[Rex]

4. True, the corporate media even helped Bush keep the caskets off the frontpage news.

Bush and Cheney are pathetic warmongers.

[Scarsdale]

29. Jogging

I was disgusted to see W jogging with young servicepeople with artificial limbs that HE was responsible for. Smirking, making sure the camera was on him. Disgusting, coward who was AWOL during his National Guard term. Now the repubs. want Jeb in the WH? Sick of the entire family, bleeding the taxpayers.

[7962]

72. Until 2009, no media was allowed to film returning caskets.

So the media were just following the rules at the time. Even now, consent of family is needed.

[Rex]

74. In 2003 the Bush WH banned media cameras from taking pictures.

They did their best to hide the bodies coming home.

[Kingofalldems]

75. Oops. Guess you were wrong.

[Rex]

76. Those good media lap dogs! Always following the rules!

[7962]

79. No, I'm NOT wrong. It was policy long before W.

From 2009: "The Pentagon this year lifted its 18-year ban on the news media covering the return of U.S. service members killed in action, as long as the family consents to the coverage."
"Many mistakenly believe that it was President George W. Bush who enacted the ban."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=7265545

[Rex]

85. George Bush put the ban in place in 1991. My mistake it was his DAD.

So yeah...GOPukers really SUCK. Disrespecting our dead that way.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29410258/ns/us_news-military/t/pentagon-lifts-media-ban-coffin-photos/#.VCyvbfldVCg

[Rex]

86. He is right, it was George Bush sr. in 1991!

Those fucking scumbag GOPukers...they always disrespect our war dead.

[sheshe2]

5. Thanks rigster.

And here in one image, two people maligned endlessly. Hillary and Obama honoring the dead.





President Obama's full statement:

The United States has an unwavering commitment to bring to justice those responsible for harming Americans. Since the deadly attacks on our facilities in Benghazi, I have made it a priority to find and bring to justice those responsible for the deaths of four brave Americans. I recently authorized an operation in Libya to detain an individual charged for his role in these attacks, Ahmed Abu Khatallah. The fact that he is now in U.S. custody is a testament to the painstaking efforts of our military, law enforcement, and intelligence personnel. Because of their courage and professionalism, this individual will now face the full weight of the American justice system.

Even as we welcome the success of this operation, we also pause to remember the four Americans who gave their lives in Benghazi representing their country: Ambassador Chris Stevens, Sean Smith, Tyrone Woods, and Glen Doherty. As I said shortly after the attack, they exemplified the values that we stand for as a nation, including a commitment to freedom and justice. All Americans should be grateful for their service, just as we are grateful to all our personnel – civilian and military – who represent our country around the globe. We will continue to honor our fallen by carrying on their efforts in support of the Libyan people’s aspirations to live in a peaceful, prosperous, and democratic society.

With this operation, the United States has once again demonstrated that we will do whatever it takes to see that justice is done when people harm Americans. We will continue our efforts to bring to justice those who were responsible for the Benghazi attacks. We will remain vigilant against all acts of terrorism, and we will continue to prioritize the protection of our service-members and civilians overseas. We will also sustain our support for the Libyan people, as they work to overcome years of tyranny and do the difficult work of building a democracy.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/17/1307630/-Benghazi-suspect-captured-now-in-U-S-custody#

[freshwest]

8. Thanks, sheshe.

[sheshe2]

10. That's one of the first pictures I posted here.

Or tried to. I could not figure out how to do it, someone posted it for me and told me how to make it so.

freashwest.

[riqster]

12. Thanks back atcha for your post.

[sheshe2]

13. ...

[calimary]

6. Yep. It was one of the first things the new President Obama did.

He passed the "Dover test." As in - going to Dover AFB when the flag-draped coffins of the latest war dead returned to American soil. To greet them as their Commander-in-Chief, and show a visible thank-you with his solemn presence, for their service and their ultimate sacrifice. chickenhawk bushie boy couldn't be seen doing this. GOD FORBID! Might actually remind America that our precious young ones were being fed into the bush/cheney/blackwater/halliburton meat grinder over there. They didn't want to trouble our "beautiful minds" about that icky stuff. What you don't know won't hurt us, America, you gullible chumps! Outta sight, outta mind, dontchaknow.

[sheshe2]

11. Now that was well said calimary.

Brava.







Photos of the Week (09/16/12) - GreendaleNOW
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, in Benghazi, Libya, on Sept. 13. The American ambassador to Libya and three other Americans were killed when a mob of protesters and gunmen overwhelmed the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, setting fire to

[Luminous Animal]

22. I'll have respect for both Obama and Clinton when they address the nation on how they

advised their own children to put their boots on the ground.

Nope. That would never happen. Dead children for empire is for poor people. The rich, like Clinton and Obama, experience photo ops.

[Scarsdale]

31. Oh, puleeze!

W went AWOL during his "service" His Daddy arranged a cushy assignment, and W was not capable of fulfilling it! Daddy also bought him slots at Harvard and Yale, that W was too ignorant to appreciate. Where were Cheney's kids? spending daddy's hard earned $$$$ from blood money of Halliburton. What about Romney's sons? Oh, right, according to Mittens they served the country by trying to help their Daddy get elected President. Trying to "fix" the ballots, but it did not work. We elected a man with BRAINS for a change.

[riqster]

33. Oh nononono, Bush and Obama are exactly the same...

According to some people around here, anyway. Eedjits.

Thanks for your post.

[calimary]

67. Yep. And that's EXACTLY the kind of thinking that's gonna lose us the Senate.

[riqster]

70. Yep. Drat that darned pony shortage, anyway...

[calimary]

73. There MUST be a pony! Under all that horse shit, there MUST be a pony!

If I just hold out and keep looking...

Never mind that my old skateboard's still over there, scuffed up and a little dirty, and can get me easily to any candy store in the neighborhood in minutes. But I'd rather stay home and sift through all this horse shit! Cuz I just KNOW there must be a pony in there somewhere! And I just won't settle for ANYTHING BUT THAT DAMN PONY!!!!!!!!

[stonecutter357]

37. .

[SidDithers]

95. No you wont...nt

Sid

[Octafish]

7. Bush even ordered one Goldstar Mother not to sell her commemorative medal on E-bay.

The great DUer UTUSN noted the moment:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1828225

[BlancheSplanchnik]

16. I read it as, he JOKED to her, "don't go selling it on eBay " when he handed out the commemorative

She had asked him earlier how the mission could have gone down as it did, why she lost her son.

And he made that "joke" at her later. UNBELIEVABLE! That is prime psychopath behavior, right there. Beyond heartless.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

23. Holy fucking shit! nt

[adirondacker]

82. Wow! That is some twisted shite even for the AWOL pretzel boy. nt

[pangaia]

9. But, but, he's not supposed to salute if he isn't wearing a hat,

is he? Plus he is not 'military," is he?

[polmaven]

36. Well, I think it is OK,

as long as he is not wearing a tan suit!

[pangaia]

39. Ah ha ! Gotcha..

Thanks for clearing that up.

[stopwastingmymoney]

14. K n R

Excellent, stealing for facebook

Esp 'bleats' lol

[CaptainTruth]

15. I remember the coffins coming back ...

Seemed like it was always in the middle of the night, Bush's attempt to hide the results of his evil deeds in the darkness. There was one picture that got out, rows of coffins, covered in flags, in the belly of a massive airplane. Every one a life cut short, a lifetime of joy & love & infinite experiences ... taken ... all for a lie. I hung that picture on my wall so I could see it every day. Every American should have had that picture on their wall. That was the price we were paying ... & Bush wanted to keep it hidden.

I wanted to know more about that price, to not just see it in pictures, but to feel it, real, in front of me. So when a local serviceman was killed in Iraq, I went to his funeral. I didn't know him or anyone else there, but I knew what he represented. I saw his flag-covered coffin. His wife will always have a neatly-folded flag, but she will never again have him ... the love of her life. I saw the sadness & loss ... & I felt it. I felt it far more than Bush ever did.

Every American should attend a military funeral. It is a very humbling experience ... & it can make you think differently about the true cost of war.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

17. :(

[FlatStanley]

18. Nice!

Bush was a psychopath. By definition he had no conscience.

[Luminous Animal]

21. And why does Obama keep bombing the crap out of people?

[baldguy]

32. Ignoring Bush's mess won't make it go away.

[FlatStanley]

44. Neither does perpetuating Bush's mess.

[truedelphi]

71. O. would not have been chosen by the PTB if they thought he would

Go down a different path.

It is a shame that so many in the Democratic Party thought (and think) that they chose him.

[FlatStanley]

77. I think we choose who we want. It takes little effort to believe the lies and ignore actions.

[baldguy]

84. Which is plainly NOT what is happening here.

And if you believe it is, then you're a RW tool.

Just ask yourself, who benefits when liberals attack the sitting Democratic President, or simply spread lies such as the one in your post? Democrats? Don't be absurd. Liberals? How has that worked out for you so far, huh?

The only people your attacks, falsehoods & lies help are RW Republicans. And you don't even get a "thank you".

[FlatStanley]

88. You are correct.

Bush negotiated all troops out of Iraq. Obama is leaving troops in Afghanistan for another ten years.

Bush hardly used drones. Obama uses the drone as his go to response.

Bush instituted 100 percent of Bush tax cuts. Obama only kept 82 percent in place.

Are there some things Obama did that Bush didn't do? Sure.

Bush never said he would close Gitmo. Obama said he would.

Bush never said his wars would take years. Obama said his would take years.

Bush didn't vigorously pursue whistle blowers. Obama has tried more whistler blowers than all other Presidents combined.

If these are your values, you are no Democrat. You just vote for the D.

Now ask yourself. Who benefits when Democrats vote for any D on the ballot, regardless of actual policy?

[baldguy]

90. If you believe Obama is worse than Bush, you're not a liberal, or a Democrat.

You're a RW tool. I hope that paycheck you got from Karl Rove was worth it.

What's that you say? You don't get paid by Karl Rove, or any other subversive RW trolls? I guess you're doing their work for free then, huh?

[FlatStanley]

91. Before you make a complete fool of yourself with YOUR PURITY

You should know I voted for President Obama in 2008. I convinced my mother to vote for candidate Obama during the primaries even though I suspected this was my mother's best chance to vote for a viable female candidate. I also took my son to an Obama rally where went three hours early to get good seats. My son was fourteen at the time. I also told my daughter how lucky she was that her first presidential vote would be historic.

Now, fast forward to 2012. President Obama still received my daughter's vote and my son was ecstatic that his first vote would be for an historic President.

I, on the other hand, think actions count. So I looked at what the President did, not at what he said. And I found him wanting.

Do I think President Obama is worse than President Bush? I'll answer it like this. Like President Ford, President Obama let a criminal go unpunished. His failure to prosecute for war crimes, and to continue the Unitary Executive, and the perpetual war through false fear of faux terrorists has resulted in the codification of the aberration that was President Bush.

We may never recover. For that reason only I find President Obama worse than President Bush just as I found President Ford worse than President Nixon.

[baldguy]

92. You've already made a fool of yourself with your false, baseless accusations.

If we never recover from the Bush disaster, it'll only be because people like you are more interested in phoney political purity than real progress, and are happy using RW attacks to bring down the Democrats like Obama who are tasked with the responsibility of leading the recovery.

[FlatStanley]

93. I'm just making the President "do it" like he asked me to.

And if you don't draw the line at war crimes, well, I don't know how low your team can go. But your team is not the Democratic Party. Your team is the one with the D next to the politician's name, regardless of policy. And if President Bush had had a D next to his name, you would have voted for him too.

[baldguy]

94. Predictable. You've entered crazy-assed Teabagger territory.

Trying to redefine reality to suit your needs. Unfortunately for you, reality doesn't work that way.

You're probably a fan of that lying sack of shit Greenwald, too, aren't you.

[FlatStanley]

96. That would fit in your world view, I know.

I read Greenwald's work as well as others and draw my own conclusions. Living in the county whose Congressional Representative was murdered in Jonestown, I'm not a big fan of koolaid. I don't drink it.

But I do look forward to your unwavering support of boots on the ground in 2015.

[SidDithers]

98. Wow. Seriously?...nt

Sid

[FlatStanley]

99. Seriously what?

[baldguy]

105. Right, supporting the Democratic President & the Democratic Party is now "drinking koolaid" on DU.

This is Teabagger territory.

[Luminous Animal]

97. Continuing Bush's strategy won't make it go away.

[FlatStanley]

43. Because Chess.

And Peace Prizes
And Not Romney
And My Team

[7962]

80. Because some people NEED the crap bombed out of them!

Obama sees a LOT more of whats going on in the world than we do.

[TrollBuster9090]

19. Oh, man. Can we PLEASE have this as the picture of the day tomorrow?

[Luminous Animal]

20. Yes. Bush was an asshole. But Jesus Fucking Christ. Saluting the dead does not absolve Obama

from continuing our endless wars.

[stonecutter357]

38. .

[riqster]

42. The OP NEVER SAID IT DID.

JF Christ back atcha.

[FlatStanley]

45. Yes it does. It shows he cares.

And it promotes drone usage, so that only other people die. It's what make us the the home of the brave.

[LanternWaste]

54. The phrase directly and unequivocally implying that his salute absolves him is where exactly?

The phrase directly and unequivocally implying that his salute absolves him is where exactly?

Or was your own implication stated as such to merely to add melodrama to a potion which consists of little else...?

[Cha]

24. Bushco wanted to cover up the dead soldiers.. Pres Obama is acknowledging them and that they

are honored.

Obviously some don't get that.

thanks riqster

[FlatStanley]

48. We do get it. We also get that drones eases our conscience thus making perpetual war palatable.

[grahamhgreen]

25. How will we pay to take care of our troops in this new war?

[FlatStanley]

49. Good stamps. Pay attention.

[grahamhgreen]

52. Oh yeah....

Food stamps

[FlatStanley]

56. I hate auto-incorrect! Or maybe my fingers are too big

[grahamhgreen]

63. Gets me all the time!

[MADem]

26. Ain't that the truth!

[JustAnotherGen]

27. Thanks for this!

[IronLionZion]

28. What Bush never once did

was send troops after Bin Laden.

But still, the coffee cups...

[ProfessorGAC]

35. You Forgot The Tan Suit

That and the coffee cup thing. Bush never wore a tan suit!

[RedCappedBandit]

30. The best way to honor the dead

is to make sure they're the last

[tecelote]

34. They showed the fighting and the coffins on television for Vietnam and American's hated that war.

Now, it's all whitewashed with "Boots on the Ground" and "Collateral Damage".

Americans seem to be fine with endless war as long as it is packaged correctly.

[DeadLetterOffice]

64. Also, no draft.

The "all volunteer military" makes it easier for some people to stomach the relentless military interventions.

[heaven05]

40. bushieboy. jr

is/was a spoiled little rich kid who was also an awol coward. Drunk, high and partying while myself and hundreds of thousands more visited the war of my generation. I have nothing but disdain for that waste of human flesh/user of oxygen. Romtwit, darth and many other 'leaders' are that in name only. No respect here, NONE. I do respect a commander-in-chief that acknowledges our honored dead, WITH A SALUTE. And that C-17 landing late at night, during king georges reign, with all those flag draped coffins in it sealed it for me. Bush was trying to hide his evil.

[4Q2u2]

57. Thought you may like this

A detailed list of all of those who sold you Great Vietnam Vets out.

http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks/

[heaven05]

69. I do like

thanks. Not surprised though, a politician, is a politician, is a politician.........ad infinitum....

[Lenomsky]

41. Very emotional :(

Normally things like this don't affect me but this did .. maybe because I really respect Obama and have empathy for anybody that's passed especially young people that never got much time.

[riqster]

51. Good point. Kids who die for their countries get a raw deal.

[former9thward]

46. I wish Obama would pull our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

That way no one would have to greet coffins.

[JayhawkSD]

47. One thing bothers me about the picture in the original post.

A fallen soldier is coming home carried by and being met by his brothers in arms who are wearing fatigue uniforms. To me that is a gesture of disrespect, although it seems the modern military does not regard "undress" uniforms the same way that we did when I served.

We were not allowed off base in anything other than "Class A" dress uniform, squared away and looking professional. We were proud to serve and wore the uniform with respect. We would never slouch around in public spaces in dungarees, or in dress uniform hatless. Today one almost never sees a service person wearing anything other than fatigue uniform, and half the time they do not bother with a hat. I don't know how that affects most people, but it certainly reduces my respect for them. They look like bums who have no respect for their service.

[riqster]

50. I believe the ceremony was at Dover AFB. On post.

[JayhawkSD]

53. Doesn't justify fatigues.

The ceremony itself, the import of the monemt in which a fallen soldier is returning home, and the presence of the President of The United States of America, absolutely demand Class A uniform.

In my day, a formation being reviewed by the captain of the ship required Class A's, and a review by the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces certainly would. The idea that President Eisenhower would see us in fatigues would make our Captain faint.

Yes, sadly, I am that old, but I also served under Kennedy.

[ctsnowman]

55. Exactly!

[Initech]

58. And Joe Biden has never done this:

[riqster]

59. Nor did he shoot anyone in the face.

[Initech]

61. And make the other guy apologize for getting in the way of his shot.

I still can't get over the balls that it takes to shoot a guy in the face and have him say "my bad".

[Marr]

60. This seems so naive.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but this is a national politician managing his public image and selling policy. These politicians you adore don't love you back, and they don't cry for dead soldiers. Obama is stylistically different from Bush here-- but the person in the box is still dead.

It's odd to me how so many of the people who accuse the left of being emotional and irrational have such a childish view of political reality themselves, apparently seeing the whole thing as something like a professional wrestling match between good guys and bad guys.

[riqster]

65. Nope. I am a bitter, cynical old fart.

This is a tool to use against Wingnuts, using facts to counter lies via a visual presentation.

It won't change anyone's mind on either side: but it can impact those in the middle.

[Gothmog]

62. Bush was a bad CIC

[riqster]

66. Illegal and illegitimate for starters. Then he got worse.

[blkmusclmachine]

68. Told the truth about something (including 9/11) ???

[Raffi Ella]

78. K&R

[erpowers]

81. Actually, We Do Not Know

Considering there were no cameras there, we do not know what President Bush did, or did not do. He did not go to most funerals, but I do think President Bush met with families of the fallen. So it is very possible that he went to Dover and met the caskets of fallen soldiers.

Before you question whether or not I am a Bush bot, or a troll, I am not a Bush fan. I just know there were not photos taken at that time.

[riqster]

83. There are also no pictures of the Easter Bunny or Santa Claus.

The lack of photos in those cases is not taken as an indicator of possible existence.

[erpowers]

87. Totally Different

Those are two totally different issues and ideas. Everyone, except small children, know the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus are not real. We know they are not real because know they are characters from folk lore and storybooks. On the other hand, we know President Bush was real, Dover is/was real, real caskets were sent back to America. It is very possible that President Bush, on at least one occasion, greeted a returning casket. I do not think people should claim he did not greet the caskets when photos were not allowed during that time.

[riqster]

89. Since Bush prohibited the cameras, it's his own fault if there are none.

[Jenoch]

100. I have not read this thread.

Not to defend W., but he did give up golf during the wars and he did meet with the families of the deceased war dead. That is not defending Bush, but it is factual.

[riqster]

101. Partly true.

Bush gave up golf because of knee problems and "watch this drive".

And he met with some families of war dead, but mocked others and refused to see at least one who was vocally anti-war.

[Jenoch]

102. I am unaware of him mocking family

members of war dead. If I were him I would not have met with Cindy Sheehan either.

[riqster]

103. Read upthread for the "eBay" remark. That is mockery.

And I am sure Bush appreciates your support.

[Jenoch]

104. I'll check out that thread.

I am not supporting Bush, I said I was unaware of any mockery.