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applegrove

(118,642 posts)
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:38 PM Oct 2014

A Super Simple Way To Cut Teen Pregnancy and Abortion Rates by 75%

A Super Simple Way To Cut Teen Pregnancy and Abortion Rates by 75%

by Tara Culp-Ressler at Think Progress

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/10/02/3574948/iud-study-teen-pregnancy-drop/

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Providing teenage girls with affordable access to long-lasting contraception, like intrauterine devices (IUDs), can cut their rates of unintended pregnancy and abortion by more than 75 percent, according to a new study published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Wednesday. The data suggests that teens can effectively prevent pregnancy when they’re educated about their full range of sexual health options.





The results come from a large research project, called the Contraceptive CHOICE study, being conducted in St. Louis. Researchers there are studying the impact of providing a group of low-income women with the birth control method of their choice free of charge, which is the same policy at the heart of the health law’s contraception mandate.

The latest data was derived from tracking a group of 1,404 teen girls enrolled in the Contraceptive CHOICE project, the vast majority of whom were already sexually active and at particular risk for unintended pregnancy. After those girls received counseling about their different birth control options, and were given a chance to select any method free of charge, 72 percent of the group opted for an IUD or an implant, which are more effective methods because they involve less user error. That’s dramatically higher than the national rate of teen IUD use, which currently hovers around five percent.

And after that, researchers observed a significant decline in the pregnancy, birth, and abortion rates among those teens. While sexually experienced U.S. teens have an annual pregnancy rate of 158.5 per 1000, for instance, that rate was just 34 per 1000 among the teen participants in the CHOICE project.



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A Super Simple Way To Cut Teen Pregnancy and Abortion Rates by 75% (Original Post) applegrove Oct 2014 OP
Because if you did simple things then the rich would not get their tax cuts. applegrove Oct 2014 #1
What? Help solve a problem..... daleanime Oct 2014 #2
I think this is maybe a solution in search of a problem unrepentant progress Oct 2014 #3
Huh? Looks like a big problem to me progree Oct 2014 #15
The OP - that's quite a budge - from 158 per 1000 to 34 per 1000 (a 78% drop) progree Oct 2014 #17
All this study really tells us is that IUDs are much more effective than barrier methods unrepentant progress Oct 2014 #43
Good, I'm glad they are. So we can reduce teen pregnancy to European levels or below progree Oct 2014 #45
How does this compare to other developed countries? NickB79 Oct 2014 #59
Damn I wish guys had to take responsibility for bc. marym625 Oct 2014 #4
I did ... Lenomsky Oct 2014 #5
risky. marym625 Oct 2014 #8
Biologically speaking, that's not safe at all. AtheistCrusader Oct 2014 #9
Damn right! Kath1 Oct 2014 #6
Amen sister! marym625 Oct 2014 #7
Amen rightbackatcha, Sister! Kath1 Oct 2014 #10
There's not even a mention marym625 Oct 2014 #11
Yes. I noticed that and it pissed me off. Kath1 Oct 2014 #12
LOL! got it! marym625 Oct 2014 #14
Condoms are still the most commonly used form of birth control amongst teens.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #16
Condoms: not a very reliable method, something like 1 in 6 chance of a pregnancy per year progree Oct 2014 #19
Well the upcoming generation will have that choice marym625 Oct 2014 #21
That had to be a terrible experience. Kath1 Oct 2014 #27
More power to you my friend!! :) marym625 Oct 2014 #29
In all honesty, I wasn't a saint. My concern about bc was motivated more by selfishness than progree Oct 2014 #34
What, no kiss? LOL Kidding! marym625 Oct 2014 #41
The hugging was for the afterglow after the kissing :) n/t progree Oct 2014 #46
I'm pretty sure you just pulled that figure RIGHT out of the air right LOL snooper2 Oct 2014 #28
CDC says 18% -- that's more than 1/6, actually 1/5.6 progree Oct 2014 #32
Is the failure rate just for getting pregnant..nuts, learned something new today snooper2 Oct 2014 #39
Accurate number marym625 Oct 2014 #33
LOL, we're in sync again! Just one minute apart with the exact same reference n/t progree Oct 2014 #36
Well, great minds and all marym625 Oct 2014 #42
Speaking of being in sync again -- the same 3 people progree Oct 2014 #47
Oh how cool marym625 Oct 2014 #48
I think saying "Not reliable at all" is an overstatement, and not a good message to put out there ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #52
18% failure rate per year, OK, that's not totally unreliable, its just the most unreliable of all progree Oct 2014 #63
That's a surprising figure marym625 Oct 2014 #22
Condoms protect against STDs, too ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #53
yeah, I lived through that aids pandemic marym625 Oct 2014 #61
Are there options beyond condoms and vasectomy? IronLionZion Oct 2014 #25
see post #21 marym625 Oct 2014 #26
I suspect that once such an option is available for men hifiguy Oct 2014 #37
I hope you're right marym625 Oct 2014 #44
I wish there were more options for men IronLionZion Oct 2014 #64
They have marym625 Oct 2014 #66
Since no form of birth control was 100% awoke_in_2003 Oct 2014 #69
I am sorry she had to go through that marym625 Oct 2014 #70
Well, they caught a problem in time... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2014 #71
That's so sweet marym625 Oct 2014 #72
here is the youngest awoke_in_2003 Oct 2014 #73
OMG! marym625 Oct 2014 #74
no problem awoke_in_2003 Oct 2014 #75
My niece had a baby at 16. When she left the hospital NO ONE DISCUSSED Heather MC Oct 2014 #13
I'm surprised - I thought the ACA makes contraception free -- any kind of contraception, even the progree Oct 2014 #18
A few years of ACA are not going to undo... Orsino Oct 2014 #50
I think the vast majority of women by now understand, and want reliable birth control progree Oct 2014 #51
Time has already told. Orsino Oct 2014 #54
I'm sorry, but the unwanted pregnancy rate has little to do with religion progree Oct 2014 #55
American prudery in the guise of religion... Orsino Oct 2014 #58
Not all prudery is religious -- I know religious people that are anything but prudes, progree Oct 2014 #60
Right. I think what we're really talking about is male supremacy. Orsino Oct 2014 #62
That is being responsible. Kath1 Oct 2014 #20
GOOD FOR YOU! marym625 Oct 2014 #23
I'm surprised that more don't. Kath1 Oct 2014 #30
Good for you! marym625 Oct 2014 #31
Good! Kath1 Oct 2014 #35
Cearly, you are a sensible, rational person. hifiguy Oct 2014 #38
Thank you! Kath1 Oct 2014 #40
Great. applegrove Oct 2014 #49
My god, what state did she live in? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2014 #56
Virginia Heather MC Oct 2014 #65
What we practiced back in my day didn't work madokie Oct 2014 #24
yes eastonb Oct 2014 #57
We have 7 billion people on this failing planet Ampersand Unicode Oct 2014 #67
Dramatic dot video of population growth. A world map beginning in 1 A.D. with 1 dot = 1 million progree Oct 2014 #76
On paper that sounds good tabbycat31 Oct 2014 #68

applegrove

(118,642 posts)
1. Because if you did simple things then the rich would not get their tax cuts.
Sun Oct 5, 2014, 11:39 PM
Oct 2014
They like it when problems fester. Look at the way the Supreme court declared racism over. They want the country fucked up. Psychopathic way to keep their base dependant on them and only them.
3. I think this is maybe a solution in search of a problem
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:04 AM
Oct 2014

Last edited Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:40 AM - Edit history (1)

Teen pregnancy has been plummeting for decades. Guttmacher doesn't distinguish between "sexually experienced" teens and all teens, but even looking at sexually experienced teens we're still talking about 16% of teen women who have sex becoming pregnant. That's about the same as the mean failure rate for female condoms, and over 2 percentage points less than the failure rate for male condoms (according to the CDC). You'd have to practically implant an IUD in every single sexually active girl to budge those numbers. Providing free condoms to both guys and gals, as well as making sure abortions are freely available to pregnant teens who choose to go that route would be much more cost effective. Sadly, either of those things happening in these modern times is about as likely as IUDs being made available to teen women.

progree

(10,904 posts)
15. Huh? Looks like a big problem to me
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:12 AM
Oct 2014

Reading the graph, the pregnancy rate is 56 per 1000 teen women, or 5.6%. And that's per year. Like you say, the Guttmacher statistics are for all teen women, not just the sexually active ones. So it's somewhat higher rate for the sexually active ones.

This from the Population Connection Reporter 10/2011 -

49% of US pregnancies a year are unintended. Unintended pregnancies cost American TAXPAYERS $11 billion a year for women and their infants up to age one (and of course still more after age one).

Only 0.8% of women using the copper IUD become pregnant within one year, and only 0.2% for the hormonal IUD. Hormonal implants (Implanon) have a failure rate of only 0.05% (1/2,000).

In contrast, the failure rate of birth control pills is 9% ((1 in 11 chance per year, or over 5 years a 38% chance (1 - .91^5) )), primarily through incorrect or inconsistent use.

As for access - many women do find the highly reliable forms of birth control to be prohibitively expensive -- according to The Nation 12/19/12, the IUD is $800 to $1000 up front (though it lasts many years). Thus they may opt for less reliabile methods such as birth control pills, which though they are inexpensive in the short run, still at $30 - $50 a month, it is still quite a hit on a low income person's budget.

That's why the Obama administration has pushed so hard to include free contraceptive coverage in the Affordable Care Act.

progree

(10,904 posts)
17. The OP - that's quite a budge - from 158 per 1000 to 34 per 1000 (a 78% drop)
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:15 AM
Oct 2014

And that's for only 72% opting for the IUD or Implant. Think what it would be if 100% had opted for the IUD or Implant.

And after that, researchers observed a significant decline in the pregnancy, birth, and abortion rates among those teens. While sexually experienced U.S. teens have an annual pregnancy rate of 158.5 per 1000, for instance, that rate was just 34 per 1000 among the teen participants in the CHOICE project.
43. All this study really tells us is that IUDs are much more effective than barrier methods
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:51 AM
Oct 2014

Teen pregnancies are already low, and you would need a huge cash outlay per reduced pregnancy. The money would likely be better spent simply providing free condoms to all, and reducing poverty. It doesn't make financial sense.

The other factor not considered is that 2/3 of teen pregnancies are in 18-19 year olds, and the number one reason why teens don't use contraceptives is because it contradicts their religious or moral beliefs (38%, Guttmacher). I just don't see how free IUDs are going to help those young women who likely would not use them anyway.

progree

(10,904 posts)
45. Good, I'm glad they are. So we can reduce teen pregnancy to European levels or below
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:09 PM
Oct 2014

[font color=blue]>>Teen pregnancies are already low<<[/font]
in your opinion, speak for yourself. U.S. pregnancy rates are much higher than the rest of the developed world. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prevalence_of_teenage_pregnancy

[font color=blue]>>and you would need a huge cash outlay per reduced pregnancy.<<[/font]
I don't think so, would be very interested in seeing such an analysis.

[font color=blue]>>The money would likely be better spent simply providing free condoms to all<<[/font],
With their 18%/year failure rate, uhh, I don't think so.

[font color=blue]>>and reducing poverty<<[/font]
Sounds wonderful. World peace would be great too, as well as a $30 minimum wage and a 0% real unemployment rate.

[font color=blue]>>The other factor not considered is that 2/3 of teen pregnancies are in 18-19 year olds, and the number one reason why teens don't use contraceptives is because it contradicts their religious or moral beliefs (38%, Guttmacher). I just don't see how free IUDs are going to help those young women who likely would not use them anyway.<<[/font]

But sex doesn't contradict there religious or moral beliefs? Anyway, I'm content to work on reducing unintended pregnancies in the other 62%.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
4. Damn I wish guys had to take responsibility for bc.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:09 AM
Oct 2014

I want it to all be on them.
Nice post. Just would be nicer if guys were mentioned once.

Lenomsky

(340 posts)
5. I did ...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:24 AM
Oct 2014

Always got of the train before arriving at the station ... no mishaps (that I know of) but a realise far from ideal *blushes*

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
9. Biologically speaking, that's not safe at all.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:31 AM
Oct 2014

Pre-ejaculate can (but does not always) contain live sperm.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
6. Damn right!
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:24 AM
Oct 2014

Guys hardly ever seem to take responsibility for birth control. That would be a very refreshing change.

"I want it to all be on them." - Same here!

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
10. Amen rightbackatcha, Sister!
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:41 AM
Oct 2014

Why should BC be all on the woman? Because she's the one who gets pregnant? I agree with you. Sick of the status quo when it comes to birth control.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
11. There's not even a mention
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 12:45 AM
Oct 2014

Of guys having any responsibility. Like women get pregnant all alone.
Too bad we can't. Then we would actually have control of everything. Kidding! Well, sort of.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
16. Condoms are still the most commonly used form of birth control amongst teens....
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:12 AM
Oct 2014

....and those in their early 20's.

progree

(10,904 posts)
19. Condoms: not a very reliable method, something like 1 in 6 chance of a pregnancy per year
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:32 AM
Oct 2014

The only other male birth control is vasectomy, which is seldom reversible. Or abstinence of course.

I'd gladly take a pill or have an implant (if I was sexually active, sigh). Back in the good ol' days I worried about it a lot because I didn't want a kid and I couldn't get an abortion (because I'm a male) and couldn't make her get one, but I'd be fully responsible financially until the child is 18 (at least).

Fortunately I lucked out and none of the bad stuff ever happened.

[font color = red]Changed title to say:[/font] "not a very reliable method at all" to "not a very reliable method".

marym625

(17,997 posts)
21. Well the upcoming generation will have that choice
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 06:37 AM
Oct 2014

Even back when I was a teen they were talking about creating a bcp for men. Surveys at the time showed men had no interest and wouldn't take it.

Now, they've created one that should hit the markets in a couple years.

I was a really uniformed teen. The first few years I was sexually active we didn't use any bc.

I was raped at 14 and became pregnant. (Not that being uniformed had anything to do with that) Thankfully, I had a mother who was pro-choice and a doctor who was very sensitive and understanding.

I can't believe how lucky I was at 17. I had a boyfriend, 10 years older, told me he had a vasectomy. He lied. He eventually told the truth but what an ass.

Frankly, it's one of the benefits of being with a woman. Don't have to worry about getting pregnant. Can't wait for menopause when I won't have to worry at all.

Glad to hear there are some guys that would take on the responsibility. Good for you.

I hope this doesn't sound bad, but here's hoping you get laid soon!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/09/we-ll-have-male-birth-control-by-2017.html

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
27. That had to be a terrible experience.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 09:59 AM
Oct 2014

Glad you had an understanding mother and doctor.

And yes, guys who are and caring enough to be responsible for birth control deserve to get laid!

marym625

(17,997 posts)
29. More power to you my friend!! :)
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:29 AM
Oct 2014

Oops. Thought it was progree I was replying to.

Power to you too anyway!

progree

(10,904 posts)
34. In all honesty, I wasn't a saint. My concern about bc was motivated more by selfishness than
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:11 AM
Oct 2014

altruism.

But thanks, this is a first for me on DU!

Glad to hear there are some guys that would take on the responsibility. Good for you.

I hope this doesn't sound bad, but here's hoping you get laid soon!

progree

(10,904 posts)
32. CDC says 18% -- that's more than 1/6, actually 1/5.6
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:54 AM
Oct 2014
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/contraception.htm

Male condom—... Latex condoms, the most common type, help prevent pregnancy, and HIV and other STDs, as do the newer synthetic condoms. “Natural” or “lambskin” condoms also help prevent pregnancy, but may not provide protection against STDs, including HIV. Typical use failure rate: 18%.
 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
39. Is the failure rate just for getting pregnant..nuts, learned something new today
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:36 AM
Oct 2014

In all the times..bunches, I only had one break.

I thought they were in the 95% bracket

marym625

(17,997 posts)
42. Well, great minds and all
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:48 AM
Oct 2014

I hope the OP poster doesn't mind us taking so much of the thread up.

Sorry, applegrove, if this isn't cool.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
52. I think saying "Not reliable at all" is an overstatement, and not a good message to put out there
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:47 PM
Oct 2014

Kids should have condoms available to them in schools and thru their doctor, and sex education classes should discuss the proper usage so their effectiveness is increased.

Nevermind that it also protects against STDs, which the pill and implants don't.

progree

(10,904 posts)
63. 18% failure rate per year, OK, that's not totally unreliable, its just the most unreliable of all
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:20 PM
Oct 2014

of the birth control methods, other than perhaps aspirin between the knees and the rhythm method.

Condoms don't protect against STDs when they fail. And certain condoms don't even when they don't fail.

“Natural” or “lambskin” condoms also help prevent pregnancy, but may not provide protection against STDs, including HIV
http://www.cdc.gov/reproductivehealth/unintendedpregnancy/contraception.htm


By the way, in #19, I said,
"not a very reliable method at all, something like 1 in 6 chance of a pregnancy per year"


I didn't say "Not reliable at all"

However, I will get rid of the "at all" since it isn't good grammar and it makes it unclear what I'm saying. I will continue to say, "not very reliable"

marym625

(17,997 posts)
22. That's a surprising figure
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:07 AM
Oct 2014

I didn't realize how easy it must be to use a condom incorrectly. Turns out condom is the most used for first time sex with teens (hopefully with other teens) but not with sexually experienced teens.

The number here that is shocking to me, is the number of women that use sterilization as bc. It's the women that use that method that is shocking. Almost makes me wonder if women on public assistance of some type are pushed into the surgery. Certainly shows that other forms are not affordable.

It seems that condom purchases among teens is pretty equal between male and female.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_contr_use.html

Then there's always the loophole

The Loophole by Garfunkel and Oates:




ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
53. Condoms protect against STDs, too
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:51 PM
Oct 2014

The AIDS scare really put it in everyone's head that condoms as a birth control method and to fight STDs were a necessity. They are easy to acquire and you don't have to convince your parents to bring you to the clinic to get "the pill". Hell they sold them in vending machines in the laundry room at my dorm. (The cheap ones, blah)

I went to college in the 90's. Both boys and girls kept a package of condoms in the top drawer as I recall. Though some collected dust.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
61. yeah, I lived through that aids pandemic
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:08 PM
Oct 2014

Things really changed after that. The sexual revolution was no longer the fun it had been. Can't believe how many of us were SO LUCKY.

My cousin died in 1987 at the age of 35 from AIDS.

Judging from your little laugh, yours didn't

marym625

(17,997 posts)
26. see post #21
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:57 AM
Oct 2014

There's a reason those are the only 2 choices for men at the moment. And it's not the inability to have another choice. It's the lack of interest in men, until recently, to take responsibility.

While pharmaceutical companies have created more and more hormonal options for women, they haven't been working on creating the same for men. For a reason. They won't sell.

I did say I wish. I am not stupid. I know what's out there and I know why.

So stick that in your YouTube -> (Truly said in jest.)

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
37. I suspect that once such an option is available for men
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:28 AM
Oct 2014

it will sell far better than anyone anticipates.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
44. I hope you're right
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:52 AM
Oct 2014

I'm really sick of seeing so many articles and studies that ONLY include females in the numbers when it comes to birth control and teen pregnancy. I realize guys don't get pregnant (too bad) but that doesn't mean the kid isn't theirs was well. I wonder what the numbers would be in female teens getting pregnant v teen males impregnating. HMMMM

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
64. I wish there were more options for men
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 05:54 PM
Oct 2014

I would gladly take something. I don't want to impregnate anyone any time soon, but maybe a few years from now. The main issue with vasectomy is that its permanent.

I'm certainly sympathetic to the fact that the women's options tend to interfere with natural hormone balances and have adverse health consequences, which is why I mostly use condoms including polyisoprene and female condoms for those ladies who are allergic to latex. I thought I lucked out when I fell hard for a woman who was infertile, but she turned out to be so psychotic and abusive that I'm sure God didn't want her to have children.

I bet if someone would create something, men would use it. There was no demand for lots of things before they were invented.

*sigh*

Would that it were.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
66. They have
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 06:59 PM
Oct 2014

Coming out in 2017. So just keep screwing with infertile whack jobs till then. (KIDDING)

I posted the link somewhere around this thread.

I don't mean any disrespect on your god idea, but if god stopped unstable people from having children, there would be much fewer children. Wish it were so.

Good for you though! Not all men feel and act like you do.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
69. Since no form of birth control was 100%
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 08:29 PM
Oct 2014

my partners were on the pill and I wore condoms. My wife had to have her ovaries removed shortly before we married, so there was no risk there.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
71. Well, they caught a problem in time...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 08:45 PM
Oct 2014

before it had a chance to get worse, so that is a good thing. I have three stepdaughters, two of which gave me 5 grandchildren. Now that my wife doesn't have to work, she can have the time with her grandchildren that she missed out having with her daughters (due to dead beat men not wanting to work).

 

Heather MC

(8,084 posts)
13. My niece had a baby at 16. When she left the hospital NO ONE DISCUSSED
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 01:10 AM
Oct 2014

Birth Control with her. She should have left that hospital with a bag full of BC.

She is now 17 and Pregnant again, this time she may have an abortion. I advised her not to leave that Health Clinic without that bag of BC. And make someone explain all the options available to her.

progree

(10,904 posts)
18. I'm surprised - I thought the ACA makes contraception free -- any kind of contraception, even the
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:23 AM
Oct 2014

most expensive (and most effective like the IUD and Implants (see my post #15)).

With certain exceptions for religious employers, and bozos like Hobby Lobby, thanks to 5 Catholic males on the Supreme Court.

(Yeah yeah, I know it's not free to the taxpayer and insurer -- ultimately meaning all of us -- but actually its cheaper than an unwanted pregnancy / unwanted childbirth)


Orsino

(37,428 posts)
50. A few years of ACA are not going to undo...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:10 PM
Oct 2014

...decades/centuries/millennia of cultural and "scientific" misinformation and disinformation.

Contraception must go hand-in-hand with comprehensive sex education divorced from religious dogma, and be given a couple of generations to work. Then people won't be captive to ignorance.

progree

(10,904 posts)
51. I think the vast majority of women by now understand, and want reliable birth control
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:41 PM
Oct 2014

at some times of their lives. Even Catholic women, from surveys I've seen are in favor of contraception at about the same very high rate as the rest of the population (even though, of course their religious leaders preach against it). I just don't believe that religious objections to contraception among women is all that prevalent.

But a $1,000 implant up-front cost for an IUD (0.2% failure rate) or implant (0.05% failure rate) has been economically out of reach for many, who, at best settle for birth control pills (9% failure rate) which cost $30 - $50 per month.

A 9% failure rate corresponds to an 85% chance of getting pregnant one or more times in a 20 year period, i.e. near certainty. 1-(.91)^20 = 0.85

I think the main ignorance problem is about how much more reliable implants and IUDs are compared to birth control pills, or to put it another way, how unreliable birth control pills are.

I'm much more optimistic that the reliable methods will rapidly grow in use now that they are free to most women.

The only concern about religious objections I have are from those in power -- the Supreme Court, Hobby Lobby etc, and other nutcase religious employers. How much damage they will do -- time will tell.

[font color = red]Edited to add[/font] -- I think the contraception without copay provision of the ACA only began this year, so we've had it only a few months, not a few years.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
54. Time has already told.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 02:53 PM
Oct 2014

I think it's pretty clear how much harm quasireligious, ignorant prudery and greed have done.

Unwanted pregnancy could have gone the way of polio--but I suppose you would point out that those in power are letting polio make a comeback, too. You'd be quite correct.

progree

(10,904 posts)
55. I'm sorry, but the unwanted pregnancy rate has little to do with religion
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:00 PM
Oct 2014

I've read the literature for years, and I've never heard that as being much of a factor. Its the cost and unreliability of affordable birth control. And raging hormones and teens being just plain dumb and careless.

As for "time has already been told" -- the contraception without copay provision of the ACA has only been effect a few months, since the beginning of this year.

[font color = red]Edited to add[/font] And I'm an atheist. And I know how wonderfully progressive some people think it is to blame religion for everything. But I don't think religion is the root or cause of all our problems

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
58. American prudery in the guise of religion...
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:04 PM
Oct 2014

...has been perhaps the most important factor in keeping birth control expensive and sex education half-assed.

progree

(10,904 posts)
60. Not all prudery is religious -- I know religious people that are anything but prudes,
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:08 PM
Oct 2014

and I know atheists who are concerned about gratuitous prosmiscuous sex where there is no concern at all for consequences.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
62. Right. I think what we're really talking about is male supremacy.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:11 PM
Oct 2014

That drives a lot of religion, prudery and certainly a lot of the anti-contraceptive nonsense.

At issue, ultimately, is female control of pregnancy.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
20. That is being responsible.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 06:34 AM
Oct 2014

Last edited Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:12 AM - Edit history (1)

I took my daughter to Planned Parenthood at age 16 for BC and education. They are wonderful and she still thanks me.

Kath1

(4,309 posts)
30. I'm surprised that more don't.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:34 AM
Oct 2014

I made the appointment for her and went with her the first time. She had a quick exam, counseling on safe sex and got a prescription for her birth control pills. After she got the prescription, she could stop in any time to pick them up. She could also pick up condoms for free at any time they were open.

marym625

(17,997 posts)
31. Good for you!
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 10:50 AM
Oct 2014

My brother had custody of his three kids. Two older kids are female. When I talked to him about getting them to a gyn, informing them, all that good stuff, he told me I was nuts. That his daughters would never do that. MEN!

Luckily, they had a couple aunts, a grandmother and a mother that were more realistic.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
38. Cearly, you are a sensible, rational person.
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:30 AM
Oct 2014

And your daughter was lucky to have a mom like you. As in most other areas of life, knowledge and education are the keys. Ignorance, superstition and dogma are ever the enemies.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
56. My god, what state did she live in?
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:01 PM
Oct 2014

Can't help but think it was one of those "Keep 'im dumb" areas of our wonderful nation.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
24. What we practiced back in my day didn't work
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:28 AM
Oct 2014

lotta screwing going on with a lot of young women toting babies around who could and probably should have been doing other things. hormones have a way of controlling what many of us do in the early semi and adult years. Some sex education back then would have help tremendously but to educate was to admit that the young'ns were screwing around and many papa's and mama's didn't want to admit that.

eastonb

(5 posts)
57. yes
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 03:03 PM
Oct 2014

this is what hilary has been arguing for since day one. give them access to contraception and we wont be talking about pro choice and abortions

Ampersand Unicode

(503 posts)
67. We have 7 billion people on this failing planet
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 07:51 PM
Oct 2014

I was hoping the post would say something more immediate and sweeping like putting sterilants in the water supply or giving people financial incentives to get "fixed." But noooooo, we still have to give people "freedom" to "be fruitful and multiply." I say we need to give them a mandate to subtract. I'm all for preventing teen pregnancies, but why just limit prevention to teenagers? The more we keep breeding, the more we keep fucking things up. Not just for the earth and its millions of dying species but even for our own. As of right now birth control (however restricted its access might be) is still a voluntary measure. We need to start shrinking our numbers substantially and permanently -- and if necessary, involuntarily -- right now.

progree

(10,904 posts)
76. Dramatic dot video of population growth. A world map beginning in 1 A.D. with 1 dot = 1 million
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 11:35 PM
Oct 2014

The dramatic dot video of population growth. A world map beginning in 1 A.D. with 1 dot = 1 million people
http://www.populationconnection.org/site/PageServer?pagename=issues_main



It is about 6 1/2 minutes long but you can skip the first 2 minutes -- the actual dot stuff begins at 2:00 and ends at 5:42. At 5:00 have reached about 1600 A.D. while the population is still quite modest outside of India and China. (So if you are in a time bind, you can start at 5:00 and watch just the last 42 seconds)

"As the film neared present day and the dots started flying onto the screen, there were audible gasps, wide staring eyes, and mumblings of "no way" and "I knew we were growing but not THAT much."

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
68. On paper that sounds good
Mon Oct 6, 2014, 08:13 PM
Oct 2014

But what is being left out of all these discussions is that some people CAN'T use hormonal birth control for reasons other than religion. BCPs sent my sister to the ER with a blood clot and she was informed to tell any pre menopausal females in her immediate family about it. Even if I WANTED to use the Pill, it could potentially kill me.

I'm not sure what the numbers are for how many people have this blood clotting problem.

Personally I'd never use an IUD even if I could. I got really bad infections from having pierced ears and wearing earrings. I saw how painful my ears were, no way I want metal anywhere near downstairs.

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