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Lisa Mahone said she was pulled over Sept. 25 by Hammond police for a seat belt violation as she drove with her boyfriend and their two children to a Chicago hospital, where doctors had said her mother was near death.
~snip~
Officers drew their guns on the couple and their 14-year-old son and 7-year-old daughter, and the teen began recording the encounter on a cell phone.
~snip~
Jones told WFLD that he was afraid to leave his frightened children in the car, and he was also afraid to get out because officers were acting so aggressively toward him.
Suddenly, one of the officers uses a baton to break open the passenger-side window, sending shattered glass spraying throughout the inside of the vehicle as the children screamed.
The officer reaches into the vehicle and uses a Taser on Jones, who screams as the electric current jolts through his body for at least 3 seconds.
~snip~
Police place Jones in handcuffs and arrested him for resisting law enforcement and refusal to aid an officer.
Source: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/watch-cops-smash-window-to-use-taser-on-passenger-during-seat-belt-traffic-stop/
This has got to stop.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)antiquie
(4,299 posts)http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tasered-passenger-my-civil-rights-were-just-thrown-out-window-n219916
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2783809/Terrifying-moment-police-smashed-car-window-tasered-passenger-routine-traffic-stop-Indiana.html
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)So even the right is running with it. But it's still interesting how their web link says "hammond-family-claims-police-overstepped-their-authority-in-traffic-stop." Ya think? Do some people say the cops might have overstepped?
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)Many on the right are just as angry about police abuses as are people on the left.
For example, I know some rather conservative (white male) people who are very upset about the Eric Garner case (that's the case where the NYPD choked a black man to death over his alleged selling of untaxed cigarettes). My conservative friends want those cops fired, then arrested for murder.
Cops aren't getting the automatic support of the average conservative like they did in the past. And that's a very good thing. I sure hope the right and the left come together on this issue. These abuses obviously need to stop, and they need to stop immediately.
Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Whenever government authorities impose power over others.
SunSeeker
(51,781 posts)So-called libertarians like Ron Paul have no problem depriving half our population of the most basic of human liberties.
Nor do they care if businesses discriminate.
Libertarians are no champions of civil liberties.
calimary
(81,560 posts)It's just GOP schtick, but candy-coated. For those not bothering to pay much attention.
ncjustice80
(948 posts)I do my best not to associate with rethugs. However, I question any conservative is truly upset about Eric Garner- they hate black people and Im highly skeptical of any claim to the contrary.
Shemp Howard
(889 posts)Not all conservatives are Republicans. Many are libertarian, as Voice for Peace noted in post #69.
And notice that I was talking about conservatives in my post #52. Some of them could be blue dog Democrats for all I know. Just my personal experience with people around the water cooler.
ncjustice80
(948 posts)Shemp Howard
(889 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)7962
(11,841 posts)I agree. We STILL dont know what the whole story is on what happened in Ferguson. Not excusing anything, but we still dont know. But Garner was off the front pages quickly and only stayed in the news in the Metro area. THIS incident was all on tape, up close.
And you're right, I'm seeing more and more conservative types getting fed up with this stuff. When my 82 yr old "kill em all" father says "thats ridiculous", things are changing.
malaise
(269,253 posts)Really sick
antiquie
(4,299 posts)Physically sick.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... I wept when hearing the woman screaming and crying in fear. Her 2-week old baby was in the effing back seat on the man's side of the car! If the reason for the stop was that she didn't have a seat-belt fastened, they should have given her a ticket and let them go. But no, pigs don't have anything more to do than to terrorize people in traffic stops. I hope they sue the pants off that city. I would NOT settle, either. Be strong and take their butts to court and sue the officers as well. I learned this morning that there was a 12-yr old child in the back seat who taped the incident.
CaptainTruth
(6,614 posts)How can we make it stop?
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)that a special prosecutor (a criminal defense lawyer from a different county who is randomly drawn from a state-wide pool) must be the one to decide to indict and then prosecute illegal police brutality/conduct instead of county prosecutors.
The cozy relationship (which IS necessary for prosecuting crimes) between the police and prosecutors is an automatic conflict of interest when it is a police officer who needs to be prosecuted, because it is also the County Prosecutor's job to defend from lawsuits all city government entities such as a police department. The Ferguson Police Officer killing of Michael Brown/St Louis County Prosecutor relationship being an case in point.
So, then, in a case of illegal police conduct, there would be the County Prosecutor being the defense attorney for the city, a defense attorney (paid for by the police union, not the municipality) for the police officer, and a Special Prosecutor who then would truly represent the interests of the citizens.
ncjustice80
(948 posts)I think it should go a step further- the Justice dept. should have a new wing dedicated solely to monitoring law enforcement. Complaints about police services go through a federal prosecutor, who then indicts officers in federal court.
Police unions should be abolished where they exist- they do nothing but shelter the corrupt. Its as laughable as a Bank Executives Union :p
MADem
(135,425 posts)Can you believe that shit?
It's just outrageous.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I believe it. All I can say is, hopefully, not for long (on the bars).
Here's to hoping the only "bars" that officer sees is on his monthly trips to the corner dive, to drink away his pension, after being fired.
a2liberal
(1,524 posts)the bars of a prison cell
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)that's a bridge too far in this country, these days.
I like to keep my fantasies in the realm of possibility.
savalez
(3,517 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)Where oh, where have you all gone? You know who you are..... Bunch of phonies.
Egnever
(21,506 posts)there is certainly a problem in americas police departments but that does not change the fact that the vast majority of police on the beat are not doing crap like this.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)That makes them all part of the same rotten apple barrel.
Every last damned one of them
I know of only one case where an officer was turned in by a fellow officer. The rest appear to be looking the other way.
Heywood J
(2,515 posts)I think they made his life hell afterward.
http://www.villagevoice.com/specialReports/the-nypd-tapes-the-village-voices-series-on-adrian-schoolcraft-by-graham-rayman-4393217/
bravenak
(34,648 posts)What's phony is, pretending cops don't treat people like this, especially BLACK MEN. The Cops on the beat should arrest their partner whenever they catch them engaging in unlawful conduct. They should treat them worse than the average citizen if they catch them violating laws and the rights of the people, as they are fully aware of the law.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)When we're bombarded daily with reports of militarized police using excessive force and violating rights, we're supposed to respond in a conciliatory manner about all the 'good police'? Could we seek to address these marauding sociopaths and stop posting disclaimers that "the vast majority of police on the beat are not doing crap like this"?
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)Also, the blue wall of silence is even more prevalent and cops routinely perjure themselves with little or no consequences. We have a serious problem with police behavior. Whether it is perjury, brutality, stealing from innocent motorist without cause, and even murder, cops rarely answer for their crimes.
know of several incidents in the area I live, in the suburbs surrounding Sacramento, where cops have harassed innocent minorities and from the many reports coming from all the states in the union, it is not far fetched to say that there are a lot of cops that are allowed to break the law with impunity. Sadly, the many illegal actions of these criminals in uniform make it hard for the ones that take their oath seriously.
The Wizard
(12,552 posts)to lie under oath.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"the vast majority of police on the beat are not doing crap like this...."
As your premise is completely unsupported, it is just as valid to to allege "the vast majority of police on the beat are not getting caught for doing crap like this..."
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but certainly most officers will double down on their bad judgment by escalating; rather than, attempt to de-escalate the situation ... especially, when they are confronting Black males.
But, I found this tweet appropriate:
"If a tree falls in the forest and there's no white person around to witness it, did the tree really fall."
I can, honestly say ... I have never encountered being stopped by the police without their attempting to escalate the situation.
Mariana
(14,861 posts)But that rarely ever happens. Almost every time we see vid of abuse and there's more than one cop present while said abuse is taking place, ALL of the cops are participating.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)grasswire
(50,130 posts)How is this different from Nazi storm troopers??
sarisataka
(18,883 posts)used a tazer with perfectly good guns around. The family would be lying in a grave they were forced to dig.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)sarisataka
(18,883 posts)I answered, simple as that.
I find the hyperbole comparison of police misconduct to Nazis insulting to all the victims of the Third Reich. Someday if you get the chance, listen to a Jew or Romani who has a number tattoo on their arm.
Nazi police acted within their laws and fully backed by the government to treat groups as inhuman beings not worthy to live. The comparison with our problems of police brutality is absurd and does nothing to improve our situation.
My reply was based on a story from a Slovak Jew. In his town, when the trucks wer full and ready to go to the train station whoever was left was taken to the woods, forced to dig, then shot. Not everyone at once mind you; some were spared to be shot later after they buried the first killed.
dickthegrouch
(3,188 posts)"Nazi police acted within their laws and fully backed by the government to treat groups as inhuman beings not worthy to live. "
Because the prosecutors and DoJ are failing to rein this is, the bad cops are absolutely given the impression that they are operating within the law and with Government backing. Blacks are seen as subhuman and not worthy to live, where whites at least get a trial (sometimes).
damnedifIknow
(3,183 posts)The basic Gestapo law passed by the government in 1936 gave the Gestapo carte blanche to operate without judicial reviewin effect, putting it above the law. The Gestapo was specifically exempted from responsibility to administrative courts, where citizens normally could sue the state to conform to laws. As early as 1935, however, a Prussian administrative court had ruled that the Gestapo's actions were not subject to judicial review. The SS officer Werner Best, onetime head of legal affairs in the Gestapo, summed up this policy by saying, "As long as the police carries out the will of the leadership, it is acting legally."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gestapo
sarisataka
(18,883 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 7, 2014, 03:49 PM - Edit history (1)
police brutality is an abuse of the system accompanied by inadequate oversight and accountability.
This is what it looks like when the system approves:
humanrightsforallages.org/pics/atrocities/nazi/ww2db.comimage.phpimage_id=573.jpg
htherightplanet.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/nazi-killing-russian-peasants.jpg
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/24/The_Bochnia_massacre_German-occupied_Poland_1939.jpg
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/89/Selection_Birkenau_ramp.jpg
Edit-cut and paste the links to view
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 7, 2014, 03:58 PM - Edit history (2)
sarisataka
(18,883 posts)I should have thought of that.
I changed it so I give the addresses to the photos rather than displaying them
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)sarisataka
(18,883 posts)I took it as a reminder of decorum than a rebuke.
No offense taken
unblock
(52,436 posts)but the nazis were nazis even before they had real power, and they did an awful lot of intimidation and violence short of murder. they escalated as they were able to get away with more.
so yes, you could say that the nazis of 1943 would have simply shot them; but the nazis of 1933 might have contented themselves to tasers (had they had that technology at the time).
the application of "nazi" to other situations is obviously overdone and overdramatic, but i don't think it's implausible to think that in this case, the might have used guns if they thought they could get away with it, if they had the kind of power the 1943 nazis had.
fwiw, my mother is a holocaust survivor.
sarisataka
(18,883 posts)The Nazi era; they did have to be more circumspect in the early years before they had absolute power. Most people think of the peak of their power, especially when invoking storm troopers. Even during the Weimar Republic many groups could get away with naked violence.
fwiw- a lot. I have the deepest admiration for Holocaust survivors; they witnessed true Evil. Give her my regards if she is still with us.
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)This ABUSE of power must stop now!
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)There was absolutely no reason for the cops to escalate. They are out of control.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)They are also bankrupting the cities who then have to pay the lawsuits due to their brutality. This video is perfect proof in a lawsuit. This needs to be addressed in every mayoral or race for governor. It used to be tough on crime, now it needs to be tough on cops.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)Minneapolis is considering forcing it's officers to carry insurance as a way to get rid of some of the worse ones who'll be virtually uninsurable. Seems like a roundabout way of dealing with the problem but at least they're doing something.
http://ballotpedia.org/City_of_Minneapolis_Police_Brutality_Personal_Insurance_Charter_Amendment_%28November_2014%29
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)As many have said here, these settlements should come out of the pension fund of the police themselves. That would settle the problem right quick.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,847 posts)It just said that's approximately what they paid out that year so it could have been bunched up from several years into a new bond issue or something. Or maybe it was a spike from the John Burgis torture judgements.
ancianita
(36,201 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Instead they are given military equipment and they recruit from the most violent, aggressive people they can find. I've seen their recruitment spiel and it's scary. I understand that being a cop in a heavily armed society is scary, but they are taking it out on peaceful citizens, black men and women, every day. I don't know how to fix it, but I will support someone who comes up with a good plan.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)Militarization of our police departments is a *bipartisan* effort of corporatists in both parties, right along with mass surveillance, the assaults on journalism, and the persecution of whistleblowers. The programs and legislation that are turning our police departments into paramilitary forces come through Homeland Security and the Pentagon, and are being used to suppress and intimidate dissent, exploit communities, and fill lucrative private prisons with slave labor as the nation is corporatized and Americans are made into a nation of low-paid wage slaves.
Both parties are complicit in this outrage. See the links below. Real change requires pushback against corporate politicians who are enabling this militarization, and that includes both corporate Democrats and Republicans.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390424
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025413841
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025404667
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025416747
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025428157
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/06/aclu-police-militarization-swat_n_2813334.html
It's almost certain that if the police agencies cooperate, the ACLU will find that the militarization trend has accelerated since Kraska's studies more than a decade ago. All of the policies, incentives and funding mechanisms that were driving the trend then are still in effect now. And most of them have grown in size and scope.
The George W. Bush administration actually began scaling down the Byrne and COPS programs in the early 2000s, part of a general strategy of leaving law enforcement to states and localities. But the Obama administration has since resurrected both programs. The Byrne program got a $2 billion surge in funding as part of the 2009 American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, by far the largest budget in the program's 25-year history. Obama also gave the COPS program $1.55 billion that same year, a 250 percent increase over its 2008 budget, and again the largest budget in the program's history. Vice President Joe Biden had championed both programs during his time in the Senate.
The Pentagon's 1033 program has also exploded under Obama. In the program's monthly newsletter (Motto: "From Warfighter to Crimefighter" , its director announced in October 2011 that his office had given away a record $500 million in military gear in fiscal year 2011, which he noted, "passes the previous mark by several hundred million dollars." He added, "I believe we can exceed that in FY 12.
Then there are the Department of Homeland Security's anti-terrorism grants. The Center for Investigative Reporting found in a 2011 investigation that since 2001, DHS has given out more than $34 billion in grants to police departments across the country, many of which have been used to purchase military-grade guns, tanks, armor, and armored personnel carriers. The grants have gone to such unlikely terrorism targets as Fargo, N.D.; Canyon County, Idaho; and Tuscaloosa, Ala.
https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/war-comes-home-excessive-militarization-american-police-report
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025412909
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Violently resisted arrest and was a danger to the police.
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Rather than the cities that employ them
7962
(11,841 posts)When a cop knows he might lose his house he will likely think twice a lot more than he does now. Now they all know that the city will pay for whatever happens.
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)The young girl in the back seat is terrified
I agree with you - this has to stop
TexasProgresive
(12,164 posts)I've seen several pieces on cops doing a nice thing instead of being an asshole. The lastest was this one:
http://www.live5news.com/story/26724443/cop-buys-mom-car-seat
Now are these cops doing this out of the goodness of their hearts or are they being ordered to make nice so the cops don't look all bad?
ncjustice80
(948 posts)lpbk2713
(42,771 posts)is that seat belt enforcement is for the occupants' protection.
"I'm gonna save your frikkin life even if I have to kill you."
surrealAmerican
(11,367 posts)What percentage of the law enforcement budget comes from fines in Hammond?
jmowreader
(50,573 posts)This shit wasn't happening to the extent it does now when the police were more a Law Enforcement Agency than they were a Revenue Generating Agency. In today's brave new world, the cops can do pretty much anything they want so long as it brings the ducats in.
LittleGirl
(8,292 posts)that is all.
tblue37
(65,507 posts)the cop's order to show ID was (according to the cop's claim) initially approached because he was not wearing a seatbelt.
benld74
(9,911 posts)I hope their lawsuit bankrupts whatever town these pigs are from,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
bullsnarfle
(254 posts)That's going to be just great for the poor damn civilians who live there and had not one bloody thing to do with terrorizing the people in the car.
I gotta better idea -- how about we take it out of police pay/benefits/retirement accounts, etc. when they do this shit? I bet if you hit them in the wallet they will think twice before inflicting this crap on folks. It's the lack of accountability that encourages and abets them to get away with it as it is.
I hold no hope as to seeing these cops held accountable by the "law" (yeah, right), but why soak Joe & Jane Citizen (already on the ropes from the recession) for the cops thuggery??????
tblue37
(65,507 posts)it only happens to minorities, so it won't happen to them. If Joe and Jane Citizen themselves finally begin to really feel at least some of the consequences of letting LEOs get away with treating minorities this way, then maybe Joe and Jane will start squawking against such brutality, rather than rallying, as all too many do, in support of all the Darren Wilsons in the country's police departments.
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)paranoia have only escalated with the increased loosening of gun laws. Now they see every encounter as a threat.
CaptainTruth
(6,614 posts)... with admiration & respect for police. NOT! Are cops really so stupid that they can't see how acts like this only increase hatred of them, which leads to more disrespect from the public & perpetuates the problem? I guess they really are that stupid.
When cops work so hard to be the enemy, they do in fact become the enemy.
I hope that family wins a huge award, & the officer loses his job & pension. Anyone that violent & agressive should not ever be allowed to work in a position where they have to deal with citizens, they are a danger to the public.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)tblue37
(65,507 posts)claimed he was only trying to protect her, since she could have stepped into traffic and been hit by a car.
If he had not been caught on videotape by a passing motorist, he would have gotten off with no consequences at all. He never did get charged for assaulting her, though he certainly should have been, but at least he did get fired.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)I'm thinking before the Rodney King beating by LAPD officers in 1991
Madmiddle
(459 posts)ballyhoo
(2,060 posts)megalomaniacs will retreat from their practices.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)These are not real charges.
What a load of bullshit.
Glassunion
(10,201 posts)get the red out
(13,468 posts)Breaking out the car window and tazering him in front of his kids is so wretched!!!!! That poor family.
theHandpuppet
(19,964 posts)Supposedly they were pulled over on a seat belt issue. Really? This is what our citizens can expect for not buckling their seat belt? I saw that video this morning and the sounds of the little terrorized girl crying are still haunting me. What the fuck is going on in our country?
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)It's as if, nationwide, cops are sitting around feeling all persecuted by the bad press in Missouri thinking up ways that they can re-assert their authority. Intimidation seems to be popular.
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jeff47
(26,549 posts)You get the big bucks by seizing the car after you find drugs in it. Find or "find", either works.
BlindTiresias
(1,563 posts)Stay in the car, get your window smashed and a tazer used on you.
Get out of the car and get shot while retrieving your license and registration.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)I guess it was always like this, but street camera vigilantes are reporting it in greater numbers. It doesn't seem to stop these thugs though. The violence against citizens, especially African-American and minority citizens, seems to be escalating.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"Mr. Police Officer is NOT your friend."
The Wizard
(12,552 posts)is a term usually associated with criminals at large.
Uncle Joe
(58,505 posts)Thanks for the thread, savalez.
OldRedneck
(1,397 posts)They are black. No police misconduct here.
Now, if they had been white . . .
That'll teach 'em to Drive While Black.
KitSileya
(4,035 posts)To stay safe in the presence of American cops. Nothing. Stay in the car - get shot. Get out of the car - get shot. Raise your hand above your head - get shot. Lay down on the ground - get shot. Be handcuffed - get shot.
As you can see from the video, Jones stayed calm, respectful, asked why he was being ordered to get out of his car, and ended up tazered in front of his children.
Cops keep saying that their outrageous behavior is intended to keep them safe when they feel threatened - but they don't get to overreact because they perceive a risk, and still get to be called heroes. Cops aren't heroes anymore (if they ever were,) they are cowards, going after the most powerless targets in American society - a group that can be killed with impunity...black men.
Damansarajaya
(625 posts)From the link above: "One of the officers involved in the confrontation has been involved in two prior excessive force lawsuits, with the City of Hammond making payouts to settle both cases."
http://www.myfoxchicago.com/story/26719562/hammond-family-claims-police-overstepped-their-authority-in-traffic-stop
Gothmog
(145,789 posts)Iggo
(47,586 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)This country has gone to shit.
dickthegrouch
(3,188 posts)I would like to get a lot of people on record that they will govern and police us as we expect. Please see this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025633408 and suggest improvements to my letter. It is deliberately combative, so that they have to think carefully about their answers.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)from top to bottom.
byronius
(7,406 posts)Insert Planetary Sarcasm Icon.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)A fucking SEAT BELT?
If I were black, I think I'd be dead by now. I just can't see it any other way. This shit is way passed being wrong.
caraher
(6,279 posts)Tasers were sold to the public as an alternative to deadly force. Yet it seems like every time a cop feels "threatened" they go straight to the gun. Meanwhile, when they feel like intimidating someone or forcing compliance, the taser always seems to come right out...
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Does the DOJ or someone have the power to mandate that police agencies throughout the country make changes to start reversing this shit? There needs to be psychological testing of all officers and removal of the racists and the aggressive ones. And the training and equipment have to be changed from military tactics to proper community policing ones that focus on safety and service. Until that culture changes, nothing will change. They don't even care that cameras are pointed at them!
Hestia
(3,818 posts)when Obama & Holder first came in. They left in place a GOP springboard as what JD will and will not investigate. It's all part of the Death By a Thousand Cuts we've been living under.
I do hope that whomever the new Atty General is, they will clean house and get rid of the non-qualified personnel, or at least the managers who are telling personnel to stand down and not investigate. AND I hope they aren't Wall Street connected like Holder was.
AND I hope the new Democratic President takes note and fires everyone top to bottom in the new administration and makes them reapply for their jobs (those who can be, otherwise, they have cafeteria duty). It is something we need to take the time to do, not just to keep a dying vessel afloat by simply bailing water. It needs to be dry docked and fixed.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)Every cop-civilian interaction is dangerous.
Letting cops pull people over because they're not sure if they're wearing seatbelts multiplies cop-civilian interactions.
daleanime
(17,796 posts)world wide wally
(21,758 posts)away with it, it's only going to get worse.
We need at least one or two cities to show some balls and simply prosecute some of these out of control assholes.
And they wonder why people don't like them
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)"Bow down and kiss our boots!"