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BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 07:36 PM Oct 2014

Photo ID is NOT Required to Board an Airplane!: 7th Circuit Issues Blatant Falsehoods on WI Photo ID



Photo ID is NOT Required to Board an Airplane!: 7th Circuit Includes Blatant Falsehoods in New Opinion on WI's GOP Photo ID Voting Restriction
Election law expert describes ruling in advance of SCOTUS decision as 'Horrendous'...

Let me say this up front, so you don't miss it this time: No, a Photo ID is not required to board an airplane. Period.

Last week, the ACLU filed an emergency appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court in hopes of having the 7th Circuit Court of Appeal's ruling --- which overturned a lower court's injunction on Wisconsin's new Photo ID voting restriction --- stayed in advance of next month's election.

Today (Monday) a rather remarkable new opinion was issued by the 7th Circuit which seems designed to serve as a last-minute assist to the Republican defendants in Wisconsin in their response to the ACLU appeal, as Justice Elena Kagan has required the state's response no later than 5pm on Tuesday. The ruling is littered with blatant falsehoods...

FULL (MADDENING) STORY: http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10850

(NOTE: Not sure why, but this breaking story from last night on the release of the 7th Circuit's ruling in this case, filled with falsehoods from top to bottom that may be upheld by SCOTUS based on those falsehoods and result in the re-election of Scott Walker as well as similarly disenfranchising laws being upheld in TX, NC, AR and elsewhere, was locked today over at LBN, so I'm reposing here. - BF)
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Photo ID is NOT Required to Board an Airplane!: 7th Circuit Issues Blatant Falsehoods on WI Photo ID (Original Post) BradBlog Oct 2014 OP
K & R !!! WillyT Oct 2014 #1
TSA requires photo identification, but has work-arounds for people with lost id HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #2
they put this law in place Pharaoh Oct 2014 #4
Yes, I know. But TSA -does- requre photo ID so I don't understand the OP HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #6
You didn't read the story, did you? BradBlog Oct 2014 #9
I did read the article, and I understand it, I also understand the issue in WI HereSince1628 Oct 2014 #13
The Federalist Society nut case needs to fire his law clerks Gothmog Oct 2014 #3
When did the 7th circuit start hating democracy? blackspade Oct 2014 #5
Voter ID is bullshit. Savannahmann Oct 2014 #7
No, Voter ID is fine and req'd in most states. Photo ID is bullshit. BradBlog Oct 2014 #11
Even if flying internationally? Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #8
Possibly because.. "Opinion on My blog" != LBN material X_Digger Oct 2014 #10
For the record, it wasn't "Opinion on MY blog"... BradBlog Oct 2014 #12

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
2. TSA requires photo identification, but has work-arounds for people with lost id
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 08:01 PM
Oct 2014

I'm not sure if there is some difference in acceptable WI voting id and TSA acceptable ID to board

But this seems like a story carefully parsing a truth.

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
4. they put this law in place
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 09:23 PM
Oct 2014

6 week's before the election. Don't want to spend any money on PSA's and do not have the resources to supply voter ID's through the sparse DMV's throughout the state. This is criminal.......

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
6. Yes, I know. But TSA -does- requre photo ID so I don't understand the OP
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 10:07 PM
Oct 2014

I do know that the TSA has work-arounds for people who lose their ID while travelling.

So it seems something is a bit weird.

BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
9. You didn't read the story, did you?
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:28 PM
Oct 2014

There is no "work-around" if you don't have the specific type of Photo ID now, suddenly, required to vote in WI's election.

You can board an airplane without a Photo ID, unlike the claim made in the 7th Circuit Court's ruling. You cannot vote without one in WI.

But your comment seems like it is attempting to carefully parse the truth, but turning it into a lie.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
13. I did read the article, and I understand it, I also understand the issue in WI
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 08:05 AM
Oct 2014

I live in WI and have not been Rip Van Winkling.

My problem is building a story that is so tenuous as to look disingenuous. The TSA DOES HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR PHOTO ID... you can read their page on the topic: http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/acceptable-ids

We don't need our side to start pushing crappy memes whose veracity is so thin.

But TSA ID requirements and work arounds are really not relevant. Participation in ID requiring aspects of the economy -IS NOT- a criterion for voter eligibility in any constitution, federal or state.

The judge's use of the claim about TSA photo id was to support the notion that society has so many requirements that everyone has ID anyway. That's clearly not true, it's merely a projection of life styles that includes international border crossing, flying, driving, etc onto people who don't travel across borders, drive, fly etc. That generality rests on a willingly disregard and refusal to believe that many persons, particularly the old and the impoverished don't, and often can't, participate in the photo-ID requiring aspects of American life.










 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
7. Voter ID is bullshit.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 10:27 PM
Oct 2014

But is there anything else in your post that is true?

The law was passed in 2011. It was upheld last month when the appeals court accepted the appeal.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/13/us/voter-id-law-in-wisconsin-is-permitted-by-us-court.html?_r=0

It was in effect in other words for the last three weeks anyway.

The TSA requires that you be identified. If you don't have a valid Government issued ID they will attempt to confirm your identity through various databases. http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/acceptable-ids

If they can't confirm your identity, you don't fly.

If all that is contained in the challenge is hyperbole and half truths, the law is going to stand. The Supreme Court knows that is all nonsense.

The argument should revolve around the 4th Amendment and be viewed as a unwarranted intrusion by the Government in an effort to disenfranchise and intimidate citizens when untrained volunteers demand to know who you are, and what ballot you want, especially for the primaries. The undue burden argument won't go anywhere as free identification cards are provided IAW the 2008 Supreme Court decision. All that is left in that case is inability to travel. For that you will need a victim that has been disenfranchised by the law for the suit.

BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
11. No, Voter ID is fine and req'd in most states. Photo ID is bullshit.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:52 PM
Oct 2014

"But is there anything else in your post that is true?"

It is all true. If you have any specific points in it that are not, I hope you will let me know, rather than just drop that bullshit turd in the punchbowl.

First, as to my subject line above, ID is already required in all 50 states when registering. Reasonable ID, as opposed to the very specific state-issued Photo ID that Republicans are attempting to require when voting because they know many legally registered (Dem-leaning) voters do not have it. Moreover, a majority of states already require ID when voting, and its no problem. But the ID required, like the ID when registering, is reasonable (Drivers license, pay stub, social security card, veterans ID, etc.) and doesn't serve to purposely disenfranchise.

"The law was passed in 2011. It was upheld last month when the appeals court accepted the appeal. ... It was in effect in other words for the last three weeks anyway."

The law was struck down by several state courts in 2013. It was re-written by the state Supreme Court a month or two ago, and those new rules were put in place about two weeks ago, and the DMV has said it will take at least 6 weeks to process anyone who does not have a birth certificate because they were born out of state, as is the case with about half of the legally registered minority voters in Milwaukee (as determined at trial last year before the law was struck down by the District Court at the beginning of this year). That is, if you can find a DMV open and can afford to get there on the two days a week that many are open.

Moreover, thousands of absentee ballots were sent out without the now-needed instruction that they must be returned with a photo copy of a state-issued Photo ID card.

But never mind all that...

"The TSA requires that you be identified."

So does voting. In all 50 states. Most of them require some form of ID to vote. See above. Not a problem It's only a problem when the specific TYPES of IDs are limited on purpose, in order disenfranchise voters.

"If they can't confirm your identity, you don't fly."

You do know that, unlike the privilege of flying, voting is a right, don't you?

"If all that is contained in the challenge is hyperbole and half truths, the law is going to stand. The Supreme Court knows that is all nonsense."

Huh? The challenge is fully accurate and confirmed via expert testimony though weeks of trial and a thorough 70 page ruling. The complete and demonstrable FALSEHOODS are contained in the 7th Circuit Court's ruling, as written by wingnut Judge Frank Easterbrook, that restored the illegal and unconstitutional law just weeks before the election (in violation of long-standing SCOTUS precendent and instruction known as Purcell). Not sure what "nonsense" you are referring to that the Supreme Court knows about, but they have made it clear they are willing to be an activist court and rewrite and/or kill legislation from the bench any time they like, as they did with the Voting Rights Act last year, and with the Ohio case last week.

"The argument should revolve around the 4th Amendment and be viewed as a unwarranted intrusion by the Government in an effort to disenfranchise and intimidate citizens when untrained volunteers demand to know who you are, and what ballot you want, especially for the primaries."

Feel free to bring any case you like. For now, your claims have nothing to do with the case at hand, which is based on violations of the 14th Amendment "equal protection" clause, as well as Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act.

"The undue burden argument won't go anywhere as free identification cards are provided IAW the 2008 Supreme Court decision."

The 2008 case (Crawford vs. Marion County) was a facial challenge. This is an as applied challenge, and the situation is nothing like the Indiana law or the Crawford challenge, even though Judge Easterbrook pretended that it was in his factually incorrect ruling.

Where 1% of voters in Crawford were believed to be w/o Photo IDs, and DMVs were plentiful and open all week in Indiana, some 10% of registered voters in Wisconsin (300,000 voters) are lacking the ID now needed to vote. The case is nothing like Crawford, no matter how much wingnut Easterbrook -- and you -- try to fit a square peg into a round hole in hopes that Roberts and Kennedy will also defy their own precedent and vote to save Walker from losing his election by disenfranchising Badger State voters.

Your attempt to misinform folks here is impressive. You should clerk for 7th Circuit or intern for Scott Walker...if you don't already.

X_Digger

(18,585 posts)
10. Possibly because.. "Opinion on My blog" != LBN material
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:31 PM
Oct 2014

If you can't be bothered to post the article here, why should I give you ad impressions?

BradBlog

(2,938 posts)
12. For the record, it wasn't "Opinion on MY blog"...
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:58 PM
Oct 2014

It was the breaking news of the 7th Circuit's actual ruling (before Reuters or AP, etc. had it), along with factual, independently verifiable reporting on the inaccuracies in that ruling.

As to posting my article in full here, the rules allow only a few grafs to be posted at LBN, but its improper to post full articles here anyway. If you don't wish to give me "ad impressions", by all means, feel free to not do so!

Wow, it must be getting close to election time around here, based on all of the, um, interesting comments posted in this thread tonight.

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