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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy father died Sunday night
Last edited Tue Oct 7, 2014, 08:49 PM - Edit history (2)
My mother died less than three years ago and my father died Sunday night, just after visiting him. He had suffered for years because of horrors he had seen in WWII and the effect upon the family was profound. And difficult. He battled and won over his chemical demons and not his depression and when my mother passed, he thought about suicide.
I have been putting aside my life for caring for his the last two years and moreover the last five months after he was diagnosed with MDS from chemical exposure from perhaps War or maybe a job he held. (more cases are growing each year) We will never know. A horrible scourge of a disease that is not common and not diagnosed while it morphs your body so that eventually you live like a vampire with blood pacs and tubes. It sneaks up on you. It is terminal if you are older or do not qualify for a bone marrow transplant.
An ambulance took him to two Hospitals twice in the last week and half. He moved care locations four times. He was 87 and his body just finally gave in. Thankfully it was swift....talking Friday, closing eyes and speaking softly Saturday and then Sunday, unable to speak but showing a lot of movement when he heard my voice. Then he passed. It was fast. MDS takes you fast.
But the pain he lived with due to War and to illness was not. It festered.
I am grateful to Veterans so very deeply and sad for what they have had to endure and sorry. Will miss the good parts of him but not the bad.
We need to address our toxins and our Wars people.
shenmue
(38,506 posts)dhol82
(9,353 posts)dickthegrouch
(3,173 posts)Our thoughts are with you
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)Thinking of you.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)in their time of need and unless someone has done this, it is hard to know how difficult it can be.
Hugs to you.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... and so sorry for what your father endured
Warpy
(111,257 posts)but do know that you won't feel like this forever. It will get better with time.
War destroys everybody exposed to it in one way or another. It's why we need to rid our government of war hawks, never institute a draft unless invading hordes are already ashore, and make damned sure it only happens as a last resort, only slightly above national suicide with our oversupply of nukes.
War hawks have sacked the treasury and mortgaged our future. They need to be stopped so they can never do what they did to your dad (or mine) ever again.
But in time, your good memories will start to crowd out the bad ones and thinking of your dad will bring joy instead of pain.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)Much peace to you and your family.
Uben
(7,719 posts)Losing your parents so close together must be really tough, but knowing loneliness and solitude first-hand, I'm not so sure that it is not the preferable way to go. It's quite common for elderly couples to die within a couple of years of each other. And after the past couple of years, I think I understand why. I lost my wife in 2012 to cancer. A broken heart is slow to mend.
Kaleva
(36,299 posts)Having to go above and beyond for decades coping with the ravages of war.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)My father died 20 years ago...I think I'm almost over it...maybe.
Triana
(22,666 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)enlightenment
(8,830 posts)There is no good way to lose a loved one.
greatlaurel
(2,004 posts)Be gentle with yourself while you grieve. The scourge of war sends ripples of pain and anguish down through the generations.
May your father rest in peace.
Generic Other
(28,979 posts)I am sorry to hear of your father's passing, but glad he is relieved of his suffering.
AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)PatrickforO
(14,574 posts)to lose your Dad. I'm very sorry.
Patrick
QED
(2,747 posts)He is at peace, finally.
TheVisitor
(173 posts)it sounds like you can sigh a sigh of relief knowing that he wont be suffering anymore, even though it is painful to let loved ones go...
you are right about war... after all this time, it still hasn't solved anything... and yet people keep doing it
best wishes for you and your family, especially during this difficult time... may your Father rest in peace
CurtEastPoint
(18,644 posts)Also WWII vet. I miss him still, after 7 years.
glinda
(14,807 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Tikki
(14,557 posts)Tikki
handmade34
(22,756 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)War is hell and so many terrible things are used on soldiers, such as chemicals, that are disgusting. I hope someday there will be no more wars, but I won't see it in my life time.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I wish you and your family peace and healing.
brer cat
(24,565 posts)Hope you will find peace in knowing his suffering is over.
RKP5637
(67,108 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)your loss. Much peace to you and your family.
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)Remember the good parts.
malaise
(268,997 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,632 posts)WWII. 25th Div 35th Infantry. PFC. The war never really left him. For our dads:
For all of our dads like this.....
raven mad
(4,940 posts)Daddy: US Army Aircorps, WII and US Army Korea
Dale, my sweet father-in-law: US Navy, Pacific Theater, WWII
Leroy: 5th Special Forces, Viet Nam, 1966, 1967, 1968
Brad: 101st Airborne, Viet Nam, 1969, 1970
Danny: USMC, Viet Nam, 1968, 1969, 1970
Amen. The ones who went before paved the way for those of us who chose to fight on.
glinda
(14,807 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)and prayers of peace going to you and your family.
dflprincess
(28,076 posts)no matter how old they are or we are, losing our parents is just something we can't be ready for.
Laffy Kat
(16,378 posts)CaptainTruth
(6,591 posts)Peace be with you.
snacker
(3,619 posts)sincerest sympathy to you and yours.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Remember all of the good things about him.
And let the rest go.
WWII ruined my father, too.
That poor kid from the farm just wasn't ready to see or endure what he saw and put up with.
May your father rest in peace.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Last edited Fri Oct 10, 2014, 01:02 AM - Edit history (1)
LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)My father died at the end of June and I am *still* devastated about it.
He was a Viet Nam Veteran (helicopter pilot) and was doused in Agent Orange. The effects took decades off of his life, and it is devastating.
glinda
(14,807 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)Peace...
AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)It sounds like he gave every bit of himself for our country, and we should be grateful. Unfortunately our gratitude is not enough to cover you and your family's suffering.
My deepest condolences to you.
Crewleader
(17,005 posts)sheshe2
(83,758 posts)May he finally rest in peace.
badtoworse
(5,957 posts)I lost my father to Alzheimers almost three years ago and the last 3 or 4 years were very tough. He was 99 and also a WWII veteran. When he died, I found relief knowing that he was not suffering and the pain of losing a loved was over for me. In time the bad memories of the last few years faded and the great memories I had of him came back to the forefront. I hope that happens quickly for you and that you find peace going forward.
glinda
(14,807 posts)riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)bearssoapbox
(1,408 posts)Be comforted that he is now free from the physical and/or mental pain/memories that all veterans bring home from being in combat.
Granted, there are some good memories and friendships that will never be forgotten...
Take care of yourself during this time.
Good thoughts and prayers to you and your family.
gopiscrap
(23,760 posts)you have my prayers and deepest wishes for healing and peace!
Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)My sympathy to you and prayers for your dad.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)
May that comfort you for a long, long time
The good memories DO go on.
It's so true, as well - what we should address, and this helps so many others in similar conditions to live in that hope.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)we had no idea of what it was until several years ago when my husband was diagnosed, fortunately he was in his late fifties and we just celebrated his 'second birthday' of four years post transplant.
"We need to address our toxins and our Wars people."
I so agree with your above statement! There has been discussion on marrowforums of MDS and agent orange.
http://forums.marrowforums.org/showthread.php?t=1200
Wishing you strength and that the ugly times are overshadowed by the good memories.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Many people are going to get this "condition"
glinda
(14,807 posts)Benzene, which is one of the chemicals attributed to MDS was also used by General Mills Corporation and others. Think of the Chemicals being sprayed onto crops also. Benzene torches used in WWII also. There are other chemicals besides just that one of course that cause it.
We are in for a rude awakening medically in the coming years with this disease.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)but I've read several cases in the past few years where the person was quite young. MDS, secondary MDS, can also come about from other chemo drugs, for example some drugs for breast cancer.
Be as well as you can be during this difficult period.
California Congresswoman Fighting For Legislation That Could Have Prevented Husband's Death
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/07/17/california-congresswoman-fighting-for-legislation-that-could-have-prevented-husbands-death
"... Bob Matsui's pneumonia was a complication from Myelodysplastic syndrome, a stem cell disorder that is rare, not very well understood and affects 12,000-15,000 people a year, according to the MDS-focused foundation AAMDS...
...Throughout the long political career of her husband, who served 14 consecutive terms as a California congressman, Doris Matsui donned increasingly more important hats: housewife, socialite, Clinton campaign volunteer, then public liason in the White House.
And when Bob Matsui died in 2005 just days after he entered the hospital with pneumonia, Doris took on that role tooreplacing her husband as the representative for California's 5th congressional district.
Bob Matsui's pneumonia was a complication from Myelodysplastic syndrome, a stem cell disorder that is rare, not very well understood and affects 12,000-15,000 people a year, according to the MDS-focused foundation AAMDS..."
glinda
(14,807 posts)recent and exhaustive reading on it shows these numbers are rising rapidly. Most times diagnosed in the elderly but yes.....younger are getting it also. It has a strong relationship to certain named chemicals that sadly are in many things and activities. And yes....a lot in our Military. We are in big trouble. Big big trouble.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)we've had this discussion.
Bottom line, IMHO, is to always question and go with your gut when told something is safe.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Fracking chems, wastewater, GMOs. Pesticides, our furniture/carpeting, Pharmaceuticals, the list goes on.....
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)just finished watching Frontline tonight "The Trouble with Antibiotics."
All we can do is try and remain vigilant while still living our lives. It is all a balancing act and we can only hope we have tipped the scales in our favor with some choices we make.
Hope you are doing well.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Ok. On a mission right now after burying my father. Good things as a result.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)to try and find something positive in the negative.
So much easier to say than to do!
Wishing you hugs ... for a long time
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)peace13
(11,076 posts)Peace, love and healing energy to you. Your gift of taking care of him was special and so important. Peace and Love, Kim
Mister Nightowl
(396 posts)And yeah, we do need to end our Empire.
sueh
(1,826 posts)veness
(413 posts)KT2000
(20,577 posts)indeed - wars last a lifetime.
Peace to you ---
No Vested Interest
(5,166 posts)Peace will come, with you knowing that you were there for your father at his time of need.
At 87, he has lived a long live, and now deserves rest.
virgdem
(2,126 posts)May your Dad rest in peace finally. My Dad just passed in late March and it has been a difficult time for me. It does get better as time passes, but you will always miss him. May you find peace in the coming days and weeks ahead as you deal with the loss of your Dad.
glinda
(14,807 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)babylonsister
(171,065 posts)deepest condolences go out to you also, glinda. He knew you were there; that's the best anyone can do, I think.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Your father is happy and healthy and with everyone who he loves and loves him. Right now, nothing will help you. You are worn out but you did a glorious thing. You helped your dad when he was helpless the way he helped you. Only time is your friend. It is hard but you will make it. One day at a time. Know you are loved. -RV
countryjake
(8,554 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)My mom passed recently, so I know it
Isn't easy.
May your father rest in peace
glinda
(14,807 posts)madamvlb
(495 posts)anniebelle
(899 posts)I lost my father in WWII when he was 28 years old and I was 4 months old ~ never got to meet the man. But it was like I lost my mother too ~ she grieved for him until her death at 82 years old. War is a game played by old men and they use our precious men and women as their pawns. You would think this country would wake up to the fact this game is played for BIG MONEY ~ not for country, not for freedom ~ just power and spoils of war. I used to think his dying was the worst that could happen to a soldier, I've found out since, that's not so. Hold tight to your good memories.
glinda
(14,807 posts)ColesCountyDem
(6,943 posts)barbtries
(28,794 posts)and your father's suffering. why war? i really don't know.
gademocrat7
(10,657 posts)peacebird
(14,195 posts)Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)may he rest in peace.
westerebus
(2,976 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)catbyte
(34,386 posts)There were 4 guys from his division that he still kept in contact with who died of it too. Who knows what they were exposed to back then. ALS is the most horrific disease I've ever seen. He went from tromping around in the woods & chopping down trees in December 1999 to not being able to lift a spoon in June 2000. He refused any artificial means to stay alive, so he passed away on June 5, 2000, 2 days shy of his 76th birthday, and 15 days shy of mine. Condolences on losing your dad, glinda. I miss mine every single day.
glinda
(14,807 posts)LoisB
(7,206 posts)LiberalLoner
(9,761 posts)VA_Jill
(9,971 posts)My dad was a WWII veteran (officer in the U.S. Navy) and a brilliant man who later became a university professor and taught several generations of students, retiring at last from the chairmanship of the Geography department at University of Tennessee. In his later years he suffered from dementia and it was tragic to see this brilliant man lose first his sense of humor and then his comprehension of his surroundings and the world about him. He died 4 years ago of congestive heart failure at the Veterans Home in Knoxville, which is a fantastic place as such places go. He rarely talked about the nitty-gritty of his military service, preferring instead to focus on the people he served with and the places he saw, but after his death my daughter and her husband found his flight log book with descriptions, including where he had flown over Hiroshima and Nagasaki days after the bombings. None of this was in the memoir he wrote and had privately published for family about 12 years before he died. It's pretty harrowing, I gather, though I have yet to see it. It's no wonder he did not talk about it.
Now my son is dealing, or in his case NOT dealing, with PTSD from 2 tours in Iraq. He was always a sensitive kid and I worried when he enlisted in the Army. He went the National Guard route and was doing fine until Shrub started the Iraq thing and he had to go. He even did reasonably well with his first tour, up in Kurd country where things were quiet and about as safe as they're going to get in a country at war. It was the second tour that got him. He either won't or can't talk about it, but he is getting worse instead of better. I am afraid that one day he will not come to the door.
glinda
(14,807 posts)calimary
(81,265 posts)That would be the best epitaph for your dad, glinda. The best legacy he could possibly leave. And the best bequest he could pass on to you. Because we DO! We NEED to address our toxins and our wars. Especially our wars that leave so much damage behind, and I'm not talking only about wreckage and destruction and broken buildings and infrastructure. The broken PEOPLE left behind.
I'm deeply sorry for your loss. I'm even sadder about your dad's suffering for all those years. Thank you so much for sharing his story and for inviting us in to mourn with you. We all need to carry this forward in our hearts - AND in our actions and our activism, so more of our soldiers and our veterans don't have this kind of agony in their future.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)looking over his case to see if he is eligible for disability. He is almost 72.
I am very sorry for your loss, you were a good caregiver.
glinda
(14,807 posts)CrispyQ
(36,464 posts)I'm dreadfully sorry for the pain your father's service to his country caused.
Someone on DU posted this a few years ago & this poem haunts me like no other.
Wheat fell headless in the field
Till Death did reap enough.
We seek to bury the revealed
No earth is deep enough.
You cannot wash the stains from minds
No one can weep enough.
Nor shut the past behind the blinds
No night has sleep enough.
--Study member
For those interested, the source for the poem can be found at http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA319601
A 50-Year Prospective Study of the
Psychological Sequelae of World War II
Combat
Peacetrain
(22,876 posts)myrna minx
(22,772 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,252 posts)and you be at peace as well.
Burma Jones
(11,760 posts)Your Father is now a small part of everyone who reads this.
merrily
(45,251 posts)marble falls
(57,081 posts)raven mad
(4,940 posts)From mustard gas to IR, we have been totally irresponsible to our servicemen and women. My brother-in-law died from Agent Orange (2 tours in Viet Nam) and this was only acknowledged by our government 2 years after his passing.
My heart hurts for you.
glinda
(14,807 posts)mountain grammy
(26,620 posts)Granny M
(1,395 posts)He is at peace now, and free of pain. Wishing you peace during your time of grief.
Phentex
(16,334 posts)I wish we would do more for all of our veterans.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)from pain, and mental anguish my condolences.
TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)for the loss of your beloved dad and mom. I'm sorry he had to go through so much suffering too. I'm sure you were a real comfort to him though. God bless you for being there for him.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)herding cats
(19,564 posts)I'm so very sorry for what you've went through.
I know it's not profound enough considering what you shared with us here. I agree with you on what you said for what it's worth.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Arrived home form Veteran's Cemetery a little while ago. I had not cried at all until I felt a tear or two come down my face when handed the Flag today after it was folded. It was a great honor to be with the 11 or so Military Personal that showed up. Two bugles in fact.
The V.A. people are and were the kindest and most honestly thoughtful of ALL the people I have had to deal with in the last over two years with my folks. BY FAR! Do not let bad Press cloud the hard work that those outside the Military Industrial Complex and Politics do. There is much suffering and many stories that they can tell you. There is too much human collaterol.
Maru Kitteh
(28,340 posts)War is hideous. He woke with terrors screaming and crying. Pain and rage in more than a dozen man's measure that he worked so hard to keep within a soul gentle by nature. It's so hard on the whole family, like a silent screw, twisting in a vice that nobody can see.
I am grieved for your loss. May the tender mercies of time soothe the raw and painful edges of your sorrows.
glinda
(14,807 posts)City Lights
(25,171 posts)Peace to you and yours.
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)My father, 84, has something similar called myelofibrosis, diagnosed last year. It's a bone marrow disease which the doctor says makes the bone marrow thick and rough like tree bark. His spleen has taken over making new blood, which is very hard on him. He's had transfusions, takes a cancer drug at $1000 a pop, twice a day. He's too old to get a bone marrow transplant.
But he still works. He's slowed down, and some days he comes home early, but he would die if he had to sit at home. And make my mother crazy (she had breast cancer two years ago, nearly dying from complications from the surgery).
It's hard knowing Daddy is going to die before his time from this. We expected him to live into his 90s, like most of his family, but the expectancy from this is five years.
Daddy was too young for WWII, but served in Korea, and spent many years in the National Guard.
glinda
(14,807 posts)Just spoke to someone whose father served in Korea and he passed in his late 50's from a heart condition that they believed was from serving there. They did not try to prove it but it was chemical related they were sure. My heart is with you, your family on the suffering experienced now from back then. He and no one deserves this. It is a series of hostile and heartless diseases.
My heart goes out right now to those in California whose aquifers are contaminated with tracking chems which are some of the same chems used in wars.
What is wrong with this picture, huh? Same chems, same companies, same end game of fossil fuels.