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TorchTheWitch

(11,065 posts)
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:44 PM Oct 2014

Dallas Ebola patient on ventilator and receiving kidney dialysis

DALLAS (Reuters) - The Ebola patient fighting for his life in a Dallas hospital is on a ventilator and a kidney dialysis machine to help stabilize his health, the hospital said on Tuesday.

Liberian national Thomas Eric Duncan, the first person diagnosed with the deadly virus on U.S. soil, has also been given the experimental medication brincidofovir. A hospital in Nebraska said it is using the same drug to treat an American journalist who was airlifted from Liberia and arrived Monday.

Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital said in a statement that Duncan's liver function declined over the weekend. It said although it has since improved, "doctors caution that this could vary in coming days."

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This doesn't sound so good to me.

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Dallas Ebola patient on ventilator and receiving kidney dialysis (Original Post) TorchTheWitch Oct 2014 OP
They are giving him a really powerful experimental drug. LisaL Oct 2014 #1
His liver doing better is a good sign. Quixote1818 Oct 2014 #2
Not good. The kidneys are not resilient organs. Barack_America Oct 2014 #3
Doesn't sound so good to me either. nt cwydro Oct 2014 #4
His kidneys were probably overwhelmed with crud from cell breakdown, TwilightGardener Oct 2014 #5
I love DU sometimes, reading the combination of slang and jargon while just skimming through uppityperson Oct 2014 #6
You're more optimistic than I... Barack_America Oct 2014 #7
He would have been dead already if he stayed in Africa. LisaL Oct 2014 #8
Can you be sympathetic to the hope he and his family must have felt... Barack_America Oct 2014 #9
??? LisaL Oct 2014 #10
I can't think of an instance where going on dialysis is a good sign. Barack_America Oct 2014 #13
Responding to myself here... Barack_America Oct 2014 #14
That's what I am saying. LisaL Oct 2014 #15
He *was* improving..... AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #16
I get the funny feeling this isn't going to end well for Mr. Duncan. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #11
We can only hope Mr. Duncan continues to get better. nt AverageJoe90 Oct 2014 #12

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
1. They are giving him a really powerful experimental drug.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:47 PM
Oct 2014

This is the same drug that save an 8 year old boy dying from adenovirus.

"This is not the first time brincidofovir has made national headlines. Earlier this year, the unapproved drug was credited with helping save 8-year-old Josh Hardy, who in March was fighting to survive an adenovirus -- a common virus that causes colds but can also be much more serious."
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/latest-experimental-drug-fight-ebola-brincidofovir/story?id=26002675

Quixote1818

(28,930 posts)
2. His liver doing better is a good sign.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:51 PM
Oct 2014

To me that shows his body may have stabilized and is just beginning to beat the virus.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
3. Not good. The kidneys are not resilient organs.
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:56 PM
Oct 2014

Last edited Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:26 AM - Edit history (1)

I've personally not seen anyone survive the course he has taken. Very sad. My thoughts are with him. I do not believe he knew he was exposed to this awful disease.

Scratch that, there was one. She was beyond sick, but she recovered. I had forgotten she required dialysis for a time.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
5. His kidneys were probably overwhelmed with crud from cell breakdown,
Tue Oct 7, 2014, 11:58 PM
Oct 2014

his hypermetabolic state, acid/base imbalance, blood pressure problems, and probably big fluid demands. The good thing is, the doctors can manage those factors to a pretty good extent with the dialysis (in his case it is probably CRRT, continuous renal replacement therapy I think it's called) and with the ventilation, hopefully his acute kidney problems won't be permanent injury. I wonder if he was still making urine at all?

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
6. I love DU sometimes, reading the combination of slang and jargon while just skimming through
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:03 AM
Oct 2014

thinking yup, sounds plausible, hope so too.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
7. You're more optimistic than I...
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:10 AM
Oct 2014

...and probably more experienced. My limited experience of septic patients on CRRT is not good. I guess if it's just AKI due to breakdown products, but if it's hypovolemia/cardiorenal?

I think his story is amazingly sad. I believe this was his first time out of war-ravaged and poverty-stricken West Africa. Now this.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
8. He would have been dead already if he stayed in Africa.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:16 AM
Oct 2014

I don't think they would have provided him with a ventilator, dialysis and experimental drug.
Supposedly he is showing improvement.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
13. I can't think of an instance where going on dialysis is a good sign.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:44 AM
Oct 2014

I can think of instances where dropping temps and normalizing liver values are actually bad signs.

We'll see. It's up to his body and his docs, but mostly his body.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
14. Responding to myself here...
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:52 AM
Oct 2014

The NYT is reporting his blood pressure has stabilized, suggesting the dialysis may be for acute kidney injury and not multi system organ failure. This IS a good sign!

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
15. That's what I am saying.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 12:53 AM
Oct 2014

He has been put on an extremely powerful experimental medication. Which is probably the reason he is showing signs of improvement. I sure hope they got more of this medication than they had of ZMapp.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
16. He *was* improving.....
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 08:39 PM
Oct 2014

But then it looks like his system suddenly crashed, or something. He died at 7:51 this morning, sadly.

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