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Omaha Steve

(99,624 posts)
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 08:14 PM Oct 2014

Cheerleaders generate over $1 million per season per NFL team, yet they don't even make minimum wage


http://www.cbc.ca/thecurrent/episode/2014/09/19/cheerleaders-minimum-wage/

Friday, September 19, 2014

Lacy T was the first professional cheerleader to launch legal action against her NFL team, the Oakland Raiders earlier this year. Her victory means her fellow Raiderettes now earn California's minimum wage. However, it's still thousands of dollars less than what an NFL mascot earns, or the concession stand workers at the stadiums..

While NFL is expected to rake in more than $9 billion this year, some of the league's biggest boosters are unenthusiastic about wages and working conditions.

"I was working three times a week with practises, I was going to events paying so much money out of pocket, and at that moment I realised this is a lot different to the NBA. I didn't have any out of pocket expenses when I danced for the Golden State Warriors, and I was paid an hourly wage for all hours worked - it didn't matter if it was practises or photo shoots, and I received a pay cheque every two weeks."

Lacey T on CNN earlier this year. She was the first professional cheerleader to file a lawsuit against her NFL team, the Oakland Raiders, for poor working conditions



Cheerleader Alexa Brenneman has also filed a lawsuit against the Cincinnati Bengals (Facebook)

FULL story at link.

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Cheerleaders generate over $1 million per season per NFL team, yet they don't even make minimum wage (Original Post) Omaha Steve Oct 2014 OP
I read the article customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #1
Consider sales of cheerleader posters and calendars ... not small change. eppur_se_muova Oct 2014 #2
And they should, indeed customerserviceguy Oct 2014 #13
Utter dreck. Sheldon Cooper Oct 2014 #21
If they don't want the job, there are 38,000 other women each wanting to take their place Baclava Oct 2014 #3
Our economy writ small. n/t Orsino Oct 2014 #17
I am glad they are pursuing suits against the NFL... Spazito Oct 2014 #4
It's terrible they forced her to do this job. The bastards! Nt Logical Oct 2014 #5
So you don't support workers making fair wages? Your solution to workers in any industry> KittyWampus Oct 2014 #7
non sequitur Psephos Oct 2014 #8
So employers should be exempt from paying the minimum wage, provided that Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #10
Maybe football players should make minimum wage theHandpuppet Oct 2014 #14
Nobody is going to games to watch the cheerleaders The2ndWheel Oct 2014 #18
When I take a job knowing the pay and expectations up front.... Logical Oct 2014 #15
They're just a bunch of dumb blondes and broads who dont know their rights gyroscope Oct 2014 #6
Cheerleaders should make minimum wage, but not necessarily more. Donald Ian Rankin Oct 2014 #9
The NFL is a non-profit, LiberalElite Oct 2014 #11
They are employed by the teams, who do pay taxes joeglow3 Oct 2014 #25
It has been a few decades since I knew an NFL cheerleader... FreeJoe Oct 2014 #12
Consider the "but the exposure is great" joke made. Orsino Oct 2014 #16
I'm kinda surprised at how many here are against women being paid a minimum wage... Lancero Oct 2014 #19
This^^^ So much anti-worker bullshit on this thread Cal Carpenter Oct 2014 #20
Everyone should support workers' rights LittleBlue Oct 2014 #22
The team has an obligation to pay the cheerleaders, they are employed by the team not the NFL. dilby Oct 2014 #24
The NFL sets guidelines that member teams have to follow though... Lancero Oct 2014 #27
Not even sure why some teams still have these girls. dilby Oct 2014 #23
These cheerleaders lack insight into their own self empowerment option. FarPoint Oct 2014 #26

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
1. I read the article
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 11:29 PM
Oct 2014

and I must have missed the math that calculated the million dollars that the cheerleaders are supposed to be generating. I'm personally hard pressed to remember the presence or absence of cheerleaders making a difference about how much I wanted to spend for a game ticket on the few occasions I've gone to an NFL game.

Don't get me wrong, I want them to be paid something for what they do, but my guess is that the biggest reason they get into this is not for direct financial remuneration from the NFL. I would suppose some would think that it was the best way to meet a well-paid football player, but I suspect the majority of them want it on their resume as they pursue possible entertainment careers in acting or modeling. In any case, no one's forcing them into this occupation, and I'd guess there are plenty of women standing in line to do it for the admittedly meager pay.

eppur_se_muova

(36,262 posts)
2. Consider sales of cheerleader posters and calendars ... not small change.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 12:19 AM
Oct 2014

Do they get a "fair" cut from those sales ? I'd be surprised.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
13. And they should, indeed
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 07:14 AM
Oct 2014

as players get a cut of NFL memorabilia with their names and/or likenesses. But someone buying Tom Brady jersey or a poster with Richard Sherman's picture is specifically looking for something with that player, and I doubt the average cheerleader-poster-buying NFL fan either knows or cares about the names of the women portrayed thereon.

Those things are bought as part of the objectification of the women, and it's something that the cheerleaders sign up for when they take those jobs.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
3. If they don't want the job, there are 38,000 other women each wanting to take their place
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 12:20 AM
Oct 2014

I think that's how the story goes

Spazito

(50,331 posts)
4. I am glad they are pursuing suits against the NFL...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 12:22 AM
Oct 2014

they are showcased by the NFL but receive little in remuneration. They deserve fair compensation and the NFL can well afford to pay it.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
7. So you don't support workers making fair wages? Your solution to workers in any industry>
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 12:51 AM
Oct 2014

find another job?

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
8. non sequitur
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:11 AM
Oct 2014

No one forces the cheerleaders to take the job. They are free to not do it if they don't believe it's worth their time. And these are clearly women with other options.

Ten thousand other women would take any open cheer-leading job instantly on the current terms. Obviously, there is a perception here of value received for value offered. Or to put it in your terms, these workers obviously believe they make a fair "wage" for what they contribute. That the wage is not received primarily in dollars does not mean it's not being received.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
10. So employers should be exempt from paying the minimum wage, provided that
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 06:58 AM
Oct 2014

(1) the employees are not being forced to take the job, and (2) lots of other people want the job? Your proposed exemption would certainly have broader applicability beyond the world of cheerleading.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
14. Maybe football players should make minimum wage
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 07:54 AM
Oct 2014

And if they don't like it, they can find another job. After all, there are thousands of guys out there who would take their places for a lot less.

Oops... I guess that argument only works when its women we're talking about.

The2ndWheel

(7,947 posts)
18. Nobody is going to games to watch the cheerleaders
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:25 PM
Oct 2014

If they disappeared today, nobody would notice.

People pay all that money for tickets to watch the players, and that's why players make a ton of money.

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
15. When I take a job knowing the pay and expectations up front....
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 10:10 AM
Oct 2014

I do not support me being unhappy later.

 

gyroscope

(1,443 posts)
6. They're just a bunch of dumb blondes and broads who dont know their rights
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 12:43 AM
Oct 2014

and are easily exploited and taken advantage by certain male-dominated industries. /sarcasm

I'm surprised it has taken this long for someone to file a lawsuit.
Sounds like a lot of work they are doing for little or nothing.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
9. Cheerleaders should make minimum wage, but not necessarily more.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 04:12 AM
Oct 2014

No job should be paid less than minimum wage, and the minimum wage should probably be raised significantly.

But I see no reason why cheerleading is a job that should be paid more than that if market forces do not demand it.

FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
12. It has been a few decades since I knew an NFL cheerleader...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 07:01 AM
Oct 2014

...but when I did know one, she made her money by trading off of that status. She got appearance fees for showing up at parties, conferences, and such. While she wasn't raking in millions, she did reasonable well trading off of the "celebrity" of being a cheerleader.

Things may have changed. My point is that her compensation from the team was in the form of a marketable credential rather than direct pay itself.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
16. Consider the "but the exposure is great" joke made.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:02 PM
Oct 2014

I wonder whether the current scrutiny on the NFL could be made to benefit these female employees?

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
19. I'm kinda surprised at how many here are against women being paid a minimum wage...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:40 PM
Oct 2014

And the defense they use to justify their not being paid as such...

I can only imagine their reactions if *GASP* someone suggested that these women deserved *GASP* equal pay.

*faints*

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
20. This^^^ So much anti-worker bullshit on this thread
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:48 PM
Oct 2014

And I'll get posts hidden if I reply upthread so I'll just agree with you here and hope that people with more patience and tact tell the people who are coming across as sexist anti-workers what is wrong with their arguments.

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
22. Everyone should support workers' rights
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:36 PM
Oct 2014

The NFL has an obligation to pay cheerleaders not just minimum wage, but a fair living wage. They are in a lucrative business. This isn't an industry that is just barely getting by.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
24. The team has an obligation to pay the cheerleaders, they are employed by the team not the NFL.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:43 PM
Oct 2014

This is a problem for certain NFL teams not all of them.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
27. The NFL sets guidelines that member teams have to follow though...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 08:24 PM
Oct 2014

So if they cared about womens equality, they could require them to be paid minimum wage.

Ideally they would be paid a living wage, but with how rampant misogyny is in the NFL well... Not much hope for that happening in this decade.

dilby

(2,273 posts)
23. Not even sure why some teams still have these girls.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:40 PM
Oct 2014

They are not needed and there are a lot of teams that don't have them. Plus they are only at home games so they work for only half the season. Granted they deserve to be paid minimum wage but in this day and age they serve no purpose.

FarPoint

(12,356 posts)
26. These cheerleaders lack insight into their own self empowerment option.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 03:09 PM
Oct 2014

The standard male chauvinistic message has been imbedded into their development. Maybe they will soon become enlighten? The GOP good old boys will do everything to block growth in feminism.

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