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grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 03:50 PM Oct 2014

GOTV: Pushing for a special tax on the .1% to pay for war would have a very positive effect in NOV.

Believe it or not, many of the people I know voted for Obama on the basis that he would get us out of perpetual war in the Middle East.

In Nov., many, if not most, of my lefty people will be staying home or voting 3rd party, even writing in.

One thing that would help, in my view, is if the President proposes, AND PUSHES FOR, a special tax on the wealthiest to pay for his war on ISIL & friends, the Sunni Fundamentalists they tell us are grave threat to America.

Pushing for such a tax would force the R's to either pass it, or oppose it, by opposing it, they will appear 'weak on terror'.

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GOTV: Pushing for a special tax on the .1% to pay for war would have a very positive effect in NOV. (Original Post) grahamhgreen Oct 2014 OP
You really think the 2014 Democratic Party leadership would push such a thing? Scuba Oct 2014 #1
If you and your friends want to take themselves out upaloopa Oct 2014 #2
What's the blackmail? grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #3
Obama proposes your tax you might vote Dem? upaloopa Oct 2014 #4
Please read my post. Most of my people are Social Democrats, FDR Dems, or further left, grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #5
What will that gain for us? upaloopa Oct 2014 #8
Remember Occupy? All those people would not only come out and vote Dem, they grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #12
more and more people are ending up in poverty in this country. If you want to call it liberal_at_heart Oct 2014 #6
Then since your vote won't count for anything you upaloopa Oct 2014 #9
Taxing the Rich used to be How Things Got Done. Octafish Oct 2014 #7
Which Congress do you think will pass this? Not the real one! karynnj Oct 2014 #10
Really? Give up without a fight? Why have policies different from the Republicans? Just propose grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #14
The Congress is NOT in session. How do you introduce anything??? karynnj Oct 2014 #15
I don't believe taxes are the main issue here. R.Quinn Oct 2014 #11
If we force the weathiest to pay for their wars, they will stop immediatly. Even a discussion about grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #13
I understand where you are coming from. R.Quinn Oct 2014 #16
I agree:) grahamhgreen Oct 2014 #17
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
1. You really think the 2014 Democratic Party leadership would push such a thing?
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 03:58 PM
Oct 2014

I'd be thrilled and shocked.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. If you and your friends want to take themselves out
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 04:04 PM
Oct 2014

of the game why should we let ourselves be blackmailed by you?
Your already of no consequence in the up coming election go away!

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
5. Please read my post. Most of my people are Social Democrats, FDR Dems, or further left,
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 04:09 PM
Oct 2014

WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO VOTE FOR!!!

Give them a rallying cry, especially something that will stand out this close to the elections.

Something that will show we are on the side of the people and not the 1%.

Sound good?

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
12. Remember Occupy? All those people would not only come out and vote Dem, they
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 05:23 PM
Oct 2014

would get their friends, family aunts and cousins to vote Dem as well!!!

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
6. more and more people are ending up in poverty in this country. If you want to call it
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 04:11 PM
Oct 2014

blackmail go ahead. I will no longer sit by and watch it happen. Taxing the rich to pay for the war is not good enough for me. To get my vote a candidate would have to end the military campaign in the ME, tax the rich, and start funding all the programs that have been getting the ax for the past three decades.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
9. Then since your vote won't count for anything you
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 04:31 PM
Oct 2014

are not helping anything.
You know as well as I none of that is going to happen soon. If we lose the Senate and lose the 2016 election things will be worse. You can do something positive toward preventing that but you won't. You will hold out waiting for something that for the foreseeable future isn't going to happen. Rather than feel so noble as I think you do, I think you may as well be silent because you have taken yourself out of the game.
We must play the cards as they are dealt not wish we had a better deal. Life is like that. In the resent show about the Roosevelts Eleanor said you have to take what life gives you and have the courage to deal with it the best you can.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
10. Which Congress do you think will pass this? Not the real one!
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 04:36 PM
Oct 2014

Consider even just the House. Do you seriously think the Republican controlled House would pass this? Not to mention the Congress is NOT in session until after the election. How do you introduce anything into a Congress out of session?

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
14. Really? Give up without a fight? Why have policies different from the Republicans? Just propose
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 05:34 PM
Oct 2014

what they want!

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE REPUBLICANS WILL NOT PASS IT.

What matters is that you have the have the discussion on a national level and bring it to the American people.

If you have it long enough, we will win on this.

What we are trying to do is GOTV.

Who will come out and vote for a proposal the Republicans will pass????? Republicans!

We want to GOTV DEMS, and Independents, Greens, Democratic Socialists and the like.

For now, it's not about passing anything, it's about forcing polarization and showing the R's to be on the wrong side.


karynnj

(59,503 posts)
15. The Congress is NOT in session. How do you introduce anything???
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 05:51 PM
Oct 2014

That is not "giving up", it is just reality. As to the "lefties", ask them if they want any judges, ambassadors or anyone who needs confirmation confirmed. That is another role of the Senate. Do they think there will be no difference on this if the Senate is run by the Republicans?

You are one really "giving up", when you suggest that people around you will only come out if something - that is not going to happen - happens.

 

R.Quinn

(122 posts)
11. I don't believe taxes are the main issue here.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 04:56 PM
Oct 2014

We should:

1) Stop the wars.

2) Worry about taxes after we stop the wars.

If we don't stop the wars, it won't matter who we tax or how much we tax them. We will destroy ourselves.

The Democrats are no better than the Republicans (a difficult feat to accomplish) when it comes to these endless wars, and it is absolutely maddening. Somebody not named Hillary had better step up in 2016.

 

grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
13. If we force the weathiest to pay for their wars, they will stop immediatly. Even a discussion about
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 05:25 PM
Oct 2014

on a national level, will force them to withdraw their support, in my view.

Of course, not having the wars is the best option.

Now that we are perpetuating the Bush doctrine, we need to have a discussion about who pays.

 

R.Quinn

(122 posts)
16. I understand where you are coming from.
Fri Oct 10, 2014, 11:53 AM
Oct 2014

I suppose I just feel that it would be more effective long-term to work on turning the tide of public opinion against these wars; the effect would be more certain and direct, in my opinion. The wealthy can be a tricky bunch; they will find ways to avoid things like paying new taxes. But they cannot avoid an entire nation of war-weariness.

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