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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsGOTV: Pushing for a special tax on the .1% to pay for war would have a very positive effect in NOV.
Believe it or not, many of the people I know voted for Obama on the basis that he would get us out of perpetual war in the Middle East.
In Nov., many, if not most, of my lefty people will be staying home or voting 3rd party, even writing in.
One thing that would help, in my view, is if the President proposes, AND PUSHES FOR, a special tax on the wealthiest to pay for his war on ISIL & friends, the Sunni Fundamentalists they tell us are grave threat to America.
Pushing for such a tax would force the R's to either pass it, or oppose it, by opposing it, they will appear 'weak on terror'.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)I'd be thrilled and shocked.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)of the game why should we let ourselves be blackmailed by you?
Your already of no consequence in the up coming election go away!
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)WE NEED TO GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO VOTE FOR!!!
Give them a rallying cry, especially something that will stand out this close to the elections.
Something that will show we are on the side of the people and not the 1%.
Sound good?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Will it help us hold the Senate?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)would get their friends, family aunts and cousins to vote Dem as well!!!
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)blackmail go ahead. I will no longer sit by and watch it happen. Taxing the rich to pay for the war is not good enough for me. To get my vote a candidate would have to end the military campaign in the ME, tax the rich, and start funding all the programs that have been getting the ax for the past three decades.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)are not helping anything.
You know as well as I none of that is going to happen soon. If we lose the Senate and lose the 2016 election things will be worse. You can do something positive toward preventing that but you won't. You will hold out waiting for something that for the foreseeable future isn't going to happen. Rather than feel so noble as I think you do, I think you may as well be silent because you have taken yourself out of the game.
We must play the cards as they are dealt not wish we had a better deal. Life is like that. In the resent show about the Roosevelts Eleanor said you have to take what life gives you and have the courage to deal with it the best you can.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Now it's uttered by heretics, like Old School Democrats.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Consider even just the House. Do you seriously think the Republican controlled House would pass this? Not to mention the Congress is NOT in session until after the election. How do you introduce anything into a Congress out of session?
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)what they want!
IT DOESN'T MATTER IF THE REPUBLICANS WILL NOT PASS IT.
What matters is that you have the have the discussion on a national level and bring it to the American people.
If you have it long enough, we will win on this.
What we are trying to do is GOTV.
Who will come out and vote for a proposal the Republicans will pass????? Republicans!
We want to GOTV DEMS, and Independents, Greens, Democratic Socialists and the like.
For now, it's not about passing anything, it's about forcing polarization and showing the R's to be on the wrong side.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)That is not "giving up", it is just reality. As to the "lefties", ask them if they want any judges, ambassadors or anyone who needs confirmation confirmed. That is another role of the Senate. Do they think there will be no difference on this if the Senate is run by the Republicans?
You are one really "giving up", when you suggest that people around you will only come out if something - that is not going to happen - happens.
R.Quinn
(122 posts)We should:
1) Stop the wars.
2) Worry about taxes after we stop the wars.
If we don't stop the wars, it won't matter who we tax or how much we tax them. We will destroy ourselves.
The Democrats are no better than the Republicans (a difficult feat to accomplish) when it comes to these endless wars, and it is absolutely maddening. Somebody not named Hillary had better step up in 2016.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)on a national level, will force them to withdraw their support, in my view.
Of course, not having the wars is the best option.
Now that we are perpetuating the Bush doctrine, we need to have a discussion about who pays.
R.Quinn
(122 posts)I suppose I just feel that it would be more effective long-term to work on turning the tide of public opinion against these wars; the effect would be more certain and direct, in my opinion. The wealthy can be a tricky bunch; they will find ways to avoid things like paying new taxes. But they cannot avoid an entire nation of war-weariness.