Do I have this right? There are DUers who

[upaloopa]

live in areas where there is a tight Senate race and yet they will not be voting because the Dem candidate is not liberal enough or voted for some war resolution or other?

[JI7]

1. no, i think some people are just attention whores

[madokie]

8. or are assholes

[99Forever]

22. I think I see two right now.

[madokie]

24. I hope you're not looking at me

I can be sometimes though and will admit that

[Aerows]

2. I can't speak for anyone else

But I will be voting Democratic in the Senate race in my state.

[RiffRandell]

25. I hardly EVER say this

but you can speak for me in this thread.

[Aerows]

44. Woot!

[Jackpine Radical]

40. Not this year, I'm not.

But only because there is no Senate race in WI this year.

[Louisiana1976]

3. Goodness--I hope not. They should get out and vote Democratic so we can maintain Democratic control

of the Senate.

[Ampersand Unicode]

30. Is it worth voting in MA?

Charles Baker can't be doing that well in the polls, can he?

[MannyGoldstein]

38. After that Scott Brown #%^* up

I suspect Dems will be out in force here.

[1StrongBlackMan]

54. Which Scott Brown #%^* up? ...

I love posts on DU that bash republicans!

[TheCowsCameHome]

67. Actually, it was the

Martha Coakley #%^* up(s) that allowed Scott Brown to win.

[MannyGoldstein]

83. We elected the fellow to office

Hopefully our election of Sen. Warren makes up for that episode.

[MADem]

59. Yes, it absolutely is worth voting--Baker is throwing a ton of money into the race.

Of course, Baker is running against Martha for GOVERNOR.

The Senate race is incumbent ED MARKEY v. a guy who is an unknown out of Hopkinton named Brian Herr--he's gotten almost ZERO help that I have seen from any GOP string pullers.

[TheCowsCameHome]

68. Yes, he can.

Dems had better not fall sleep at the switch this time.

[FlatStanley]

47. The lesser of two is just lesser

[whatthehey]

141. Even if you believe this bullshit, what's wrong with lessening evil?

Everybody does the high horse purist shit with that cliche but few indeed seem to ponder what it really means.

Quick everyone, you have two and only two choices:

1) a painful tweak of the nipple

2) an agonizing naked bath of the genitals in concentrated hydrochloric acid

3) there is no 3 - you're going to get one of the above, and not voting for 1) makes 2) more likely to win, as a lot of poeople hate you and want to see you suffer as much as possible.

Is there any sane human who does not vote 1)?

Is there anyone stupid enough not to see the analogy is exact?

The time to haggle over what option 1) is is in the primary. After that you get 1 or 2 folks. Take your pick.

[femmocrat]

4. And they call themselves "democrats".....

[FlatStanley]

48. Small d "democrats" believing in voting for what they believe is right.

Big D "Democrats" vote for their team, regardless of what they believe is right.

[VanillaRhapsody]

76. Or perhaps they are not Democrats at all!

did you read Krugman today by any chance...he has y'all down to a T!

[FlatStanley]

80. You mean the Krugman that gets trashed on DU when he trashes the President?

And who is "you all"? Those who look at policy?

So tell me, would you vote for Palin if she has a D next to her name and she were running again Shrub? What about the reverse situation?

[VanillaRhapsody]

82. read it.....I think you'll know...

I'm a realist....

but that is one goofy imagination YOU have!

[FlatStanley]

88. Those with no imagination are called Republicans.

And here's a link with a different take on Krugman's article: http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2014/10/09/affordable-care-act-is-not-working-better-than-anyone-expected/

[VanillaRhapsody]

115. seriously? FireDogLake?

wow...just wow...

We are supposed to take THAT blogs word over a Nobel Prize winning Economist....RIOOGGGHHHT!

I call Bullshit!

By the way have YOU used Obamacares? Because I HAVE!

While drawing Unemployment......I got subsidized and paid $61 a month....with $10 copays at the Silver level...so I have FIRST HAND knowledge....Do YOU?

[FlatStanley]

117. Did you read the article?

I am happy the ACA is working well for you. It's a damn shame Democrats didn't support it in the early 90s when Republicans first offered it up. Twenty years of suffering could have been avoided.

Now as to the article, it had nothing to do with the merits of the ACA. It had to do with whether it was working beyond our expectations or according to expectations. The esteemed Mr. Krugman developed amnesia regarding the expectations.

[stevenleser]

121. No serious person reads firebaggerlake. nt

[SidDithers]

139. Come back soon, again...

Sid

[zappaman]

142. Oh they will...

[GummyBearz]

90. My team

My team, right or wrong! RAH RAH RAH LETS GO TEAM!

[VanillaRhapsody]

116. My FDR Voting Grandparents....voted Democratic and supported them their whole lives...

were THEY just cheerleaders too? By the way.....this blog is called "DEMOCRATIC Underground"....its for the express purpose of electing DEMOCRATS....are you calling the entire Blog just a forum for "cheerleading the Democrats"?

So who do YOU have that can win UNDEMOCRAT?

[NaturalHigh]

5. Here in Oklahoma...

the democratic candidate, Connie Johnson, has absolutely no chance of being elected to the Senate. I'm still holding out a sliver of hope that Jim Dorman might win the governor's race, though. It's more than a long shot, but it could happen.

[No Vested Interest]

52. I always vote for the Dem candidate, even when they don't have a chance.

The Dem candidates put themselves on the line, often knowing they are a sacrificial lamb.
But they gave voters a choice - very important - rather than not having a Dem representative in an unwinnable race.

Each vote - even for a known loser - gives some hope to the next Dem candidate to come along in the next election cycle.
Also , it tells the public, and the other party, that we're out there, and we're watching.
They need to know that.

Never pass on your precious right to vote.
It's too important.

[jtuck004]

74. Where I lived the first portion of my life in OKC you couldn't get an R elected. They didn't

even elect an R governor until 1963. It was big in the Progressive Era, then...now.

It's in my rear-view mirror now, but it's amazing to have seen and lived through that. Sometimes a transition, sometimes just a re-labeling.

[NaturalHigh]

166. Times have changed.

My district's first Republican representative was Tom Coburn, back in the nineties. Local officials (county commissioners, sheriffs, etc.) are still almost always Democrats, but this is definitely a red state now. My grandpa would be appalled.

[jtuck004]

167. Yeah, all those ball fields and farms and drive-ins and the watermelon stand. Became

Target, and Sears, and innumerable strip shopping and service options. Sears morphed into an empty building leaving an asphalt parking lot over the old ball diamond. Many of those areas had seen their heyday b4 I left.

I remember "better" days, but a couple decades later when I bought a house the original papers stated that if a black person bought the home the sale would become void and the home would revert to the builder. Those limitations had been done away with by the 90's when we came along, but it was eye-opening.

So not better for everyone, of course. That was the north side of Oklahoma City, built around 1950, maybe '48. Solid Democratic state then. One could get shot at down by the river if they said they were Republican. Those homes are all gone too.

People's values there have changed a lot. But so has much of the country.

[Andy823]

6. Could be

Of course if they say that they probably aren't really a democrats.

[FlatStanley]

49. I say it, and I am a Demcrat.

[stevenleser]

122. You just made Andy's point. nt

[Andy823]

136. Yep nt

[baldguy]

7. Yup. That's right.

Then they have the unmitigated gall to complain that the Democratic Party never listens to them.

[rpannier]

32. In fairness on that point

Even when people vote the party doesn't listen
Unless you got a lot of money and donate a good portion, they don't care until they want your vote
Then it's a non-stop litany of mail, e-mail, phone calls etc asking for money and support

[Wait Wut]

9. My choice of Dems sucks.

I'm still voting, because the Reps/Cons here are freakin' batshit.

[L0oniX]

39. Me voting for Crist is not a feel good operation either.

[L0oniX]

127. What ever that means.

[HERVEPA]

140. FYI

Just an acknowledgement that what you stand for means little to you
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[OriginalGeek]

84. I don't like it either

but I like it way better than letting Rick Scott just have my non-vote.

[SomethingFishy]

119. You're in Florida eh....

My mom still lives down there, you guys are screwed no matter what you do...

[L0oniX]

128. Thanks ...I feel so much better now.

[Dont call me Shirley]

10. Voting!

[wyldwolf]

11. oh yeah. The (snicker) REAL Democrats.

[Cleita]

12. Not I. I have held my nose and voted for Dianne Feinstein for as long as she

has been running. It would be great if she retired though and we got someone more progressive in her seat.

[upaloopa]

15. You and I are in the same boat.

I remember her when Harvey Milk was killed and constantly wonder if she is the same person.

[Cleita]

16. I think it's called money. Her husband is quite wealthy and quite the war profiteer

from what I gather. Too bad. She still is good on some issues like women's issues.

[Luminous Animal]

145. She has always been a centrist and, as mayor, vetoed domestic partner legislation.

[BrotherIvan]

34. She needs to gooooooooooooooo

California can do so much better!

[Hekate]

91. Who've we got in the pipeline? For real, I mean. nt

[BrotherIvan]

103. I've just heard people talk, I haven't heard any real scoop

If anybody knows something real, let us know.

[Hekate]

152. It was you who said our very senior Senator has to goooooooo. So you must know of an alternative.

Or maybe not?

[BrotherIvan]

161. She is a DINO and a war profiteer

So yeah, she needs to go.

[Hekate]

162. Again, who that you know of is in the pipeline?

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I'm not voting for a pig in a poke, just to replace a valuable Senator that I disagree with on some issues.

Nonetheless at her age there must be a few rising Dems we should be vetting.

[Xithras]

150. I haven't.

I haven't voted for Feinstein for a number of elections. I just leave that ballot item blank.

[Le Taz Hot]

13. No, you don't have this right.

[stevenleser]

123. Well, there is at least one person upthread defending the idea and saying he won't vote. nt

[CK_John]

14. That's ok, we get the government we deserve.

[frazzled]

35. No, apparently we get the government YOU deserve

If what you're saying is that you wouldn't vote if the candidate doesn't hew to your personal high standards. If so (and you can correct me if I misinterpreted your brief snark), then you are the one who deserves the Republican government. I deserve better than that.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

63. This ^^^^

In a nutshell.

[VanillaRhapsody]

77. Damn SKIPPY!

what frazzled said!

They seem to never get that when WE VOTE WE WIN.....its as simple as THAT.....and if you go around griping and grousing about the Democrats ALL the freaking time.....you are negatively influencing the less politically savvy people around you.....who will blow off voting...BECAUSE your complaints make them figure it must not be worth the effort...thus they stay home....and guess what....we either hold on to the Senate OR we lose it....and if the later...we lose yardage on the field...Even Bernie Sanders himself said "we MUST protect the progress that we have made".

[rhett o rick]

87. And what you are saying is that you don't give a crap about the standards of the person

you are voting for if the opponent is worse.

I won't vote for people that don't support Democratic standards even if they happen to call themselves Democrats.

I won't vote for H. Clinton because she has shown that she will betray her party if a Republican asks her to.

[VanillaRhapsody]

154. If you are not committed to vote for whom

The Democrats ELECT in a Primary Election ...then you are by default a Independent not a Democrat. JUST the way it is. Therefore your conplaints fall on deaf ears...yoi are not really one of us. There is no excuse for Anyone who hangs ob DU not to vote for or sit out....its that simple.

[calimary]

89. DAYUM, frazzled! What a GREAT meme!!!

"If you don't show up and vote, then the rest of us get the government YOU deserve."

Stealing it! Needs to be said, Read, and SPREAD!!!!

[Hekate]

99. What frazzled said. nt

[Bobbie Jo]

118. [phone]

[uponit7771]

148. +1

[mnhtnbb]

17. Oh for fu*k's sake!

I live in NC. Yes, I'll be voting Hagan.

In fact, my youngest son, going to graduate school in Connecticut,
called me the other day to verify how to get an absentee ballot
so he could vote in NC!

Hahahahaa....love it. Since the NC Repubs are so determined not to
let college students vote here!

[Lex]

19. I just sent a little $ to Hagan. Tillis is an evil Koch bastard.

I hope we can get the vote out for Hagan on election day.

[onehandle]

18. It's the Ralph Nader Effect.

Swept in smirk for eight years.

[RiffRandell]

23. Aww Christ.

You are a brave soul.

[Rex]

20. I dunno, where did you get that idea from?

Link to a post?

[stevenleser]

124. Just look upthread. At least one DUer is proud of the fact they aren't voting. Others are

more subtly defending the idea.

[Rex]

133. They need to move to a country where you don't get a vote

there are no elections and everything is run by a dictator. I guess some just don't know how lucky we are to be able to vote for our leaders.

[Tom_Foolery]

21. I'm in Kentucky...

I don't agree with Grimes on several issues, but she has my vote.

[Triana]

26. From what I've seen here, yes. You've got it right. n/t

[MannyGoldstein]

27. Link, or slink. nt

[riqster]

131. Not needed. You can see examples on this thread.

[Andy823]

138. Yes

But only if one is really willing to. So many here who are part of the problem seem to be the first ones out to "deny" there is a problem. I mean all the "doom and gloom" threads, along with bashing the president and the democratic party, are so "encouraging" to get people out and vote!

[Wounded Bear]

28. I don't always vote "for" someone...

but I definitely vote against any Repub on any ballot laid in front of me (that I can legally vote on, of course ).

WA is one of the bluer states in the Union, and my rep is a D already, so I'm pretty safe. But I definitely will be voting.

[elleng]

29. Could be.

[bread_and_roses]

31. Do I have this right .....

.... some people still think electoral politics are a road to progressive change?

[riverbendviewgal]

33. I am voting ABC

Anything But conservative. Actually I vote stratgically and tell those I know too. There are miloions of Canadians who want to see Harper and his thugs go dosn big and gard.

I hope the USA Democratics hangs onto the Senate.

[JustAnotherGen]

36. Booker is up for reelection

And I'm proud to vote fr him - and to knocking doors and make calls - and he's going to wipe the floor with that ass wipe he's running against.

[freshwest]

93. My hero! And yes, I can hardly wait for my ballot to arrive in the mail.

[Capt. Obvious]

37. *yawn*

I'm just going to c/p this response I had to last night's beatings will continue until moral improves thread.

People here in this forum hold their noses all of the time and vote for Dems they don't like.

The non-political junkies don't do such things. They want to vote for someone.

Obama won with such large numbers because people wanted to vote for him. They were driven to vote for him.

Kerry and Gore lost by slim margins because people were driven to vote against Bush. It takes more than the lesser of two evils argument to get your standard bearer past the finish line in most cases.

[Pholus]

106. Thank you! nt

[DavidDvorkin]

41. It's astonishing, yes, but we see that crap every election.

[JEB]

42. Certainly will vote for Merkley and other Dems here in Oregon.

That said, it seems to me the snarky shit directed at anybody not happy with all facets of the Democratic party does nothing more than further divide us. Some of our candidates could inspire a little more support. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.

[Nye Bevan]

43. Plenty of Dems voted for Ralph Nader to teach Gore a lesson (nt)

[Shrike47]

45. Gore still won the state.

[Nye Bevan]

57. Yeah, but the Nader voters made it too close for comfort. (nt)

[FlatStanley]

46. Yes. There DUers with standards.

[arthritisR_US]

55. Yes, standards that will allow the vile alternative

to get into office...

[FlatStanley]

71. You're right. A slow march to the right, like the frog boiling in the water

Is preferable.

That's why I support clean coal and natural gas. They are the bridge to green energy, aka the bridge to nowhere.

[arthritisR_US]

94. As do I but they are closer to the goal than

any repub's would be.

[FlatStanley]

97. And movin further away with each capitulation.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

70. And there are some DUers who want Republicans in office

Where do you stand?

[FlatStanley]

73. I want Democrats in office. Charlie Christ merely has a D next to his name.

And the Democratic Party didn't want a Democrat sitting in Lieberman's seat. It's why they abandoned the Democratic candidate during the general election.

[Chan790]

75. Actually.

Joe I. Lieberman held his seat in the race against Lamont and Schlesinger because Schlesinger was a degenerate gambler up to his eyeballs in debt and barred from the casinos who refused the CTGOP demand that he withdraw so they could replace him on the ticket. In response, the RNC basically endorsed Lieberman, stopping just short of giving him money. As a result, Lieberman retained his seat by getting more votes from registered Republicans than Schlesinger did and breaking even on unaffiliated.

Joe had no Joementum among Democrats, he lost Democrats handily. The DNC poured money into the race for Lamont and he drew frequent appearances from major Democratic figures because it was considered a tough race, both because Lieberman was an incumbent with high approval ratings outside of the party that just dumped him and because CT's 2nd largest industry is defense manufacturing. (CT, like NoVA, is home to a metric shit-ton of hawkish Democrats and liberal unaffiliateds who know well (and vote accordingly) that anti-war means layoffs for Pratt&Whitney, Raytheon and EB. You find as many isolationist conservatives in CT as anti-war liberals.)

But, you know, never let facts fuck up a righteous rant.

[FlatStanley]

78. I didn't realize a single statement qualifies as a righteous rant.

And I think your facts may be in dispute. I will do additional research.

Nevertheless, the Democratic Party rewarded the Indendent with his usual chairmanship even though he LITERALLY abandoned the Democratic Party.

So you can argue that voting for neither a Republican nor a Democrat is precisely what the Democratic Party encourages.

But don't let other facts get in the way of an actual, though not entirely righteous, rant.

[freshwest]

95. Actually didn't run as a Dem the last time, did he? Didn't he have his own 'Liebermann Party'? TIA.

Thanks for the other details there. You don't post much, but your posts seem to be solid with the facts.

[Bobbie Jo]

126. Apparently so.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=317372&sub=trans



Good catch, Skinner.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

50. I'll be happily voting for Al Franken.

[arthritisR_US]

53. If that is the case then they are idiots. It is

not a perfect world and neither are the candidates running. Grow up.

[bullwinkle428]

56. I'll personally roll naked across a floor of broken glass to keep that

fucking psycho Joni Ernst from getting a Senate seat here in Iowa. It doesn't hurt that Braley is a fine candidate - fuck that Poltico "conventional wisdom" shit that calls him arrogant.

[demwing]

58. Accusations in the form of a question, eh?

Isn't that a tactic often used by Republicans?

[Rex]

64. And notice they don't come back to answer any questions.

Post and run and I can almost guess the people rec'ing this OP.

[Hekate]

100. Just read through this very thread for abundant examples. That is the answer you crave. nt

[Rex]

120. This is still a hit and run OP.

Divisive threads just before election time...how quaint.

[Luminous Animal]

146. Really abundant? I see one PPRed person posting multiple times.

[Mike Nelson]

60. I hope that is not right...

A Republican controlled Senate means no confirmation of President Obama's more liberal appointees, and increased war mongering.

[MrMickeysMom]

61. I don't know… Do you?

Apparently, you need to shed light on this, or it's a bit passive agressive of you, yes?

[JoeyT]

62. No senate race in my state.

And I wouldn't vote for Hillary for anything even with the promise of a stack of money and a puppy.

The idea of voting for lesser evils requires the evil actually be lesser.

Edit: The fact that the people screaming the loudest about others daring to object to Hillary getting Her turn are the same people that did an about face and decided torture was not only ok, but that people that were still grumpy about it should be denounced tells you pretty much all you need to know about the morality of the pro-Hillary campaign.

[Doctor_J]

65. you have it wrong

But you got a lot of recs

[RebelOne]

66. I am in Georgia where there is a tight race

between David Perdue (R) and Michelle Nunn (D). And I will definitely be casting my vote for Michelle Nunn.

[RedCappedBandit]

69. Without the left pushing for further progressivism..

your big D Democrats would be so far right the choice wouldn't even matter.

[Hekate]

101. Ralphie, is that you? How'd that assertion work the last time? nt

[RedCappedBandit]

107. My post wasn't concerning whether or not liberals should vote for big D democrats

regardless of their actual politics.

I'm pointing out that moderate dems have a tendency to condemn the left without acknowledging its necessity.

It's interesting that you blame nader voters for an election that was stolen from the winner.

[Hekate]

149. The assertion that there's no difference is all the condemnation I need. nt

[RedCappedBandit]

157. Cute, but not at all what I said. nt

[krobar659]

72. Here in Iowa

I am voting for Bruce Braley (U.S. Senate) so Joni Ernst can go back to castrating hogs on the farm. (Oh by the way, Joni Ernst had an affair and broke up a traditional American marriage and family.) Pat Murphy (U.S. House of Representatives), Jack Hatch for Governor, and Teresa Meyer for House District 63 (send Tina Tuna back home...actually the republican who currently holds the office is Sandy Salmon but I love the nickname!) I am also supporting all Democrats running here in Iowa and across the Nation! We have had a ton of negative ads from various groups here in Iowa against the Democrats. I hope and pray that the Democrats can hold on to the Senate and make some significant gains in the House!

[RKP5637]

79. Not all democrats have logic in their repertoire of skills. It is STUPID not to vote! n/t

[whatchamacallit]

81. As always, I'll do whatever the hell I want

It's my right. So far, that's been to vote for the democratic candidate without fail, even if I don't like it. My choice to vote or not vote will never be influenced by anonymous internet squawkers.

[Lil Missy]

85. A few people on DU are not going to make a difference in one race.

DU members, all of them combined, are a small fraction of a small fraction of the total electorate.

[rhett o rick]

86. Where did you get that from? nm

[Hekate]

92. Yeah, there are such DUers, doing their best to suppress the vote.

Some appear to have joined recently just so they can tell us how pure they are and how worthless the (D) after a politician's name is if said pol isn't likewise pure. scroom

I vote straight ticket, as always. It's a two party system, for better or worse.

[Caretha]

114. I grok ya Hekate

Some appear to have joined recently just so they can tell us how pure they are and how worthless the (D) after a politician's name is if said pol isn't likewise pure. scroom

Kinda like the OPer A Hit an Runner - Here to tell ol' timers how the "Cow ate the Cabbage"

[freshwest]

96. Yes, you have it right. But take a look at the reasons why by 1SBM:

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All part of the plan ...

Posted earlier:

And "Mission Accomplished" ...

could be heard whispered throughout the land. (It seems)

GOP: "Government doesn't work" ... Check!

Libertarians (right and left): "Government is evil" ... Check!

Tea Party: "Government doesn't work and there is no difference between establishment republicans and establishment Democrats" ... Check!

"Liberals/Progressives": "Government is evil and there is no difference between establishment republicans and establishment Democrats" ... Check!

The media has played this narrative on a 7-day, 24-hour loop.

Result: Only 15% of the American people pay close attention to the only mechanism for change.

Nicely played, Oligarchs!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025642630#post14

[liberal_at_heart]

98. well I guess we all knew this time would get here. The time where people get bullied into voting

for people they don't want to vote for. Good thing I'm not susceptible to bullying. I can tell I'm going to have to trash quite a lot of threads in the next month.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

102. I always vote. For who depends on the issues and policies.

The candidates are obliged to convince the voters to vote for them, not the other way around.

[get the red out]

104. Not me!

I plan to show up to try to "ditch Mitch" as soon as the polls open.

[leftynyc]

105. Or they're mad at the President

who is not on the ballot. That's the most moronic reason of all.

[pampango]

108. Posters at RO (Republican Overground) are urging Democrats to reject imperfect candidates as well.

"RO'ers" push the party as far right as they can during primary season, vote for the R no matter what then keep the pressure on them after the election to toe the line.

[demwing]

110. When we vote for conservative candidates

we get conservative officials who write conservative laws, confirm conservative judges, and promote conservative ideologies.

The only way to get progressive policy is to vote for progressives.

It's true that your method will win elections, but it also ensures that progressives will lose the long war in an effort to win the immediate battle.

[pampango]

113. Which is why we should always support the most liberal (least conservative) candidate in every

election - primary or general - then agitate after the election to keep the elected Democrat governing from as far left as possible.

The strategy has worked well for tea partiers from the opposite direction. They try to defeat "mainstream" republicans during the primaries (sometimes to the extent of nominating unelectable conservatives) then support the republican candidate in the general election because they hate liberals that much then keep pushing the republican winner as far to the right as possible after the election.

I'm sure they don't like voting for 'liberal', mainstream republicans if their far-right wacko loses the primary but they do it anyway because they hate real liberals more than their own 'mainstream' republicans. Then they keep the pressure on the 'mainstream' guy after the election and try to defeat him again the next time. That strategy has given them a majority in the House already and perhaps in the Senate as well after November.

They aren't stupid just hateful.

[aikoaiko]

109. If Democrats don't vote in GA we'll get another Saxby Chambliss

No democrat wants that.

[liberal N proud]

111. If choose not to choose, you still have made a choice

But if you made the choice to not choose, you have chosen to not have the right to criticize those which you chose not to choose.

[riqster]

132. Wow, Perfectly put.

[demwing]

112. So what?

There are twice as many here who will vote for any nimrod blue dog with a (D) next to their name, regardless of whether that candidate supports progressive, Democratic principles.

Goody.

[upaloopa]

130. Then it is better to cast no votes in a tight

Senate race

[demwing]

147. Vote for the candidates that support Democratic issues

not just the candidates that have a (D) on their Voter Registration Card.

Having a "Democrat" win means nothing when your "Democrat" supports the wrong issues.

[upaloopa]

159. You are wrong. When two candidates run against each other

it is a zero sum game. The one with the most votes wins. If you don't vote for one you give an advantage to the other. To do nothing is a vote also.

[demwing]

160. Any election has 5 possible outcomes

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Candidate "A" wins by a lot
Candidate "A" wins by a little
Candidates Tie
Candidate "A" loses by a little
Candidate "A" loses by a lot

In 4 out of 5 outcomes, Candidate "A" is viewed favorably. Example:

• Candidate "A" wins by a lot - "Our candidate was the clear and obvious choice of the voters"
  
  
• Candidate "A" wins by a little - "It was a tough race, but the stronger candidate won in the end"
  
  
• Tie - "We're confident that our message will carry the party to success in the coming run off/recount"
  
  
• Candidate "A" loses by a little - "Our candidate was very competitive in a difficult race"
  
  
• Candidate "A" loses by a lot - "We need to rethink our approach/message/strategy"
  

If Candidate "A" is a blue dog, the blue dog will be encouraged to run again, the party will be encouraged to run more blue dogs, and progressive values will be diminished.

If candidate "A" is a real liberal, that 4 in 5 works in favor of progressives and progressive politics.

With that in mind, why would I ever vote for a blue dog?

[KoKo]

125. Do you have Links?...I see some here SAYING that there are

DU'ers who aren't voting but not seen an OP post with any DU'er declaring they aren't voting for Candidate X,Y,Z because they aren't liberal enough with a thread replies recommending or commenting in agreement that they refuse to vote in the Mid-Terms.

Could you post a link to post and thread with replies in agreement that's an example of these DU'ers not voting in the Mid-terms? Otherwise it's hard to know what you are talking about.

[stevenleser]

134. Look upthread at FlatStanleys posts. nt

[Hekate]

151. And two others, at least. nt

[riqster]

129. Yes. Not many, but some.

Eedjits who think ideals can trump math.

Glad there aren't many.

[Jamastiene]

135. Not here.

I have a Blue Dog Democrat's sign in my front yard right now. Why? He got it right on NC's Medicaid Expansion vote. He was one of VERY FEW here in NC who voted to expand Medicaid to go along with ACA as originally intended. That is one of the best parts of the ACA, that Medicaid Expansion, for me, personally, or would have been had NC's Teabagger assholes in charge not screwed it up. It still irks me that NC and other states were allowed to opt out of such a good part of the ACA.

This Blue Dog Democrat was the mayor of a city that I admittedly despise for its backasswardness in all things progress. He was the mayor of my hometown for a long time. He has my vote, despite the fact that he is more conservative than I would ever want in an ideal situation. I would bet his stance on marriage equality is shit like almost all politicians in NC, but where I live, the fact that he has never said round up all us gays and kill us is kind of rare in a politician in any party, to be honest. So, he gets my vote and I'll work on him on that and other issues as I go along. He CAN be reasoned with in time.

You can only work with what you have and the alternative in NC is unconscionable. Fucking McCrory needs to go, like yesterday. Many of his minions need to be ousted. There is PLENTY of reason to vote to vote against them, if nothing else. They need to go. That isn't going to happen by Democrats NOT voting.

So, yes, I'm voting FOR one guy and against a fuckton of Republicans who are willfully stupid asshole Teabaggers. Those were the cards dealt. So, I'm dealing as best I can with what I have to work with. It's not like a wave of super progressive Democrats is ever going to exist in my part of NC. If they did, I would be thrilled. That is just not gonna happen though. Instead, I'm voting against a fuckton of teabaggers (which is still VERY important to do) and for one guy who had the compassion to vote for the Medicaid expansion to happen in NC as it was intended to happen when the ACA was written. I have to give the one guy positive reinforcement on his actions if I expect him to continue to act in a positive way.

[arcane1]

137. Petulance isn't just for conservatives. I guess these fools don't care about their local elections?

[CakeGrrl]

143. That's what I've been reading.

I chalk it up to dangerous underestimation of the damage that the current GOP is willing to inflict on civil liberties and human rights when they get half a chance to do so, sometimes coupled with the ridiculous perception that both parties are the same.

Show me an example of any Dem who has advocated hanging women who have had abortions (along with their providers).

[Orsino]

144. Voting (or not) for a candidate doesn't make him or her more or less liberal.

You do that between elections, if at all. Voting is how you shape offices and legislatures in the near term.

It's up to a candidate to earn desired votes, but it's up to voters to pack the government with the best possible people. Or not.

[Xithras]

153. If people quit voting for crappy Democrats, the establishment would stop running them.

The party bigwigs have no motivation to support more liberal candidates, so long as the crappy ones keep winning. If you force them to confront a reality in which non-liberal candidates cannot win, then they'll start backing liberals.

I vote for liberals, and only liberals. If the party throws its weight behind conservatives and loses power because of it, then it's a choice that the party leadership made, and not a choice that I made.

[bowens43]

155. I really dont think it makes much of difference. Rep/Dem, 2 ends of the same worm.

[Reter]

156. So you would vote for Zell Miller?

Sometimes (in rare cases) it's ok not to vote for our candidate. I voted for Bloomy in 2005. Things happen.

[stevenleser]

158. Against a Saxby Chambliss? i.e. a Georgia Republican vs a Georgia Democrat? Yes, in a heartbeat

Southern Republicans are the worst. And it is well worth it not to have one of them even if you have to vote for a center right Democrat like Miller. At worst, we get them to vote for Democrats to control the senate.

Reality is, even the most conservative Democrats we have had over the last 20-40 years earn at least a 65%+ Liberal or Progressive rating based on their votes versus Southern Republicans who tend to get ratings of 0%-15%. There are a lot of votes reflected in that difference.

[Reter]

165. No, Zell Miller was much more conservative than you remember

Especially toward the end of his career when he endorsed Bush. He was to the right of many Republicans. I'd love to see his ratings.

[Mister Nightowl]

163. Political REALITY, not Political Utopia

Not everyone can handle it.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

164. According to polls, my Senate Dem candidate has no chance

I.will.go.to.the.polls.

I want no blame if we're stuck with Ben Sasse for six years.