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It's okay, she's a doctor...
The New Jersey Health Department turned into soup Nazis when it learned NBC News reporter Dr. Nancy Snyderman violated a voluntary quarantine placed on her and her crew after one member contracted Ebola while working in Liberia.
Snyderman, 62, NBC's chief medical editor, was spotted sitting in her car outside of The Peasant Grill in Hopewell, N.J., Thursday afternoon, Planet Princeton reported. A man with her picked up the take-out order.
Snyderman is a regular at The Peasant Grill, which is known for its soup, TMZ reported.
New Jersey officials made the quarantine mandatory late Friday after news broke that Snyderman, wearing sun glasses and with pulled-back hair, was spotted out and about.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dr-nancy-snyderman-spotted-n-cafe-ebola-quarantine-report-article-1.1972199
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,631 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)After all, they are bought and paid for fair and square.
Has I win thread mine?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Answer: Just someone to fetch the carry-out when under house arrest.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)a friend when you need one. The Beatles didn't have a clue when they claimed that money can't buy you love. The wealthy buy cars, houses, Congressional representatives and, yes, they buy love.
AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)I'm sure she thought NBC News would jump all over her noble and humanitarian gesture by giving her even more airtime. Didn't happen. So, to her, fuck it -- I'm going to to eat out.
Sorry to be so cynical, but all her pieces smack me as being more about her than anything else.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)She thought her "disguise" would suffice.. she was wrong.. shame on Dr Nancy
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)until they violated the quarantine, then it became a monitored, mandatory quarantine.
Sid
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)I suspect the good doctor thought she knew better than the public health professionals. She now joins the list of ebola contacts who are a menace to society.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)"flyover states." Such snobbery doesn't appear out of thin air. They are part of the ruling class, the 4th branch of the government, remember? Just like those types would never go to a regular prison, if they were ever convicted of wrongdoing at all, that is. They would go to the country club "prisons" like white collar criminals, or wouldn't go at all. Half of them are CIA anyhow. They can do whatever they want and they know it. Naturally, they only have to do things if they want to. Therefore, for them, it is "voluntary," meaning they can do whatever the fuck they want.
I wish I could find the uncut footage of the 2000 election. Between their repeated use of "flyover states" and Norah O'Donnell just gushing about how wonderful Shrub was treating the media (it was truly sickening, she acted like a silly schoolgirl with a crush), I almost decided to wait until the next morning to see who won. Well, we see who won and who ended up getting to be president, because the fucking media was a damn stacked deck too that night. I will also never forget that night how many on the main news networks kept gushing about how Jeb Bush "delivered" Florida to Shrub, as promised. Remember, the first to call it for Idiot Son was his own cousin over at Faux News.
So, as you can see, MSM are part of the ruling class, snobs from the get-go, and immune to things the rest of us would have to do.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)rest of us.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)There was a reason why she was fired from ABC News
She only discloses the information that helps her at the time. She never told her bosses at ABC about her involvement with Johnson & Johnson and then does a fluff piece on Johnson & Johnson.
bobGandolf
(871 posts)AngryOldDem
(14,061 posts)That said, though, I'm a little surprised that she didn't milk this for all that it's worth.
NBC News special: "Life In Voluntary Quarantine with Dr. Nancy Snyderman." Surprised she'd miss that obvious ego-stroke, but I guess she must have been really hungry for a restaurant meal after her tour of Ebola country. (It really bugs that she goes to these places of crisis and seems to only get in the way.)
Here's hoping NBC cuts her loose.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)in Liberia, who they said became sick the day after he was hired, I put all my betting money ($1) on the guess that they were going to film the whole 'recovering from Ebola' process as an exclusive made-for TV special and milk it for all it was worth. ('recovering' because the white guy had immediate quality care, was flown by private jet to the, so far, for-whites-only expensive, all stops pulled out, special care center in Nebraska.)
How incredibly opportune that situation fell in their lap. I'm such a cynic any more, that that's where my mind first went. Actually hope I'm wrong though.
calimary
(81,565 posts)My first thought was - SHIT, they must be SO pissed off!!! He's exposed to it before they hire him, but then after they hired him, THIS. And now they might be stuck paying for it. Now, I don't know all the specifics, was he part time and not eligible for any company insurance plan - or what?
It's just the first thing that came to my mind. FAR more a concern for how much it's gonna cost them, as opposed to concern for the simple well-being of one of their employees. There are people in the budget department RIGHT THIS INSTANT who are hellbent on figuring out how to penny-pinch him and cheap it out.
GOD, I HATE the PROFIT-ONLY MENTALITY that runs this country!!!!!! DAMMIT!!!!!!
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)because I am so jaded I was thinking they might have hired him because he had Ebola and they wanted to insert themselves in the story and get an exclusive by filming the treatment process from start to finish.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Can't you just see Faye Dunaway, eyes blazing, "that's BRILLIANT!"
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)and have heard it recommended for years!
Makes me feel better that my speculation might not be too far out of the realm of possibility if Hollywood already thought some scenario like that was possible.
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TDale313
(7,820 posts)Intended as a spoof, and at the time people felt it was so out there things could never go that far. Oh, so wrong. It predicted precisely what happens when the news divisions become profit centers rather that a public service networks were supposed to provide in exchange for their broadcast licenses.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)Thanks for the synopsis. Sounds like watching it now won't produce any dissonance in a current day audience, since it simply will reflect reality.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)My favorite scene:
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Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)MSM are the fourth branch of government, in reality, imo.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)for violating a quarantine? Snyderman is a rich white doctor. Double standard much?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)You just KNOW that's what her fans will think.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)malaise
(269,256 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)Doctors NEVER do anything unprofessional, stupid, dangerous or unwise.
malaise
(269,256 posts)Regulations are for us peons
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Nancy has probably been monitoring herself and I'm sure (hopefully?), she'd get herself to a hospital the second she noticed anything that might be a symptom of Ebola. I'm sure she wanted to get out of the house and thought it would be ok to drive to the restaurant if she stayed in the car.
That said - she's a public figure and needs to set an example for others. Whether or not she thinks she knows better, she needs to honor the quarantine.
Now she just appears to be pretentious and irresponsible.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Obeying a quarantine is a small price to pay for public safety. We are all in this one together. If a quarantine is suggested, it should be followed.
Surely we can make that tiny sacrifice for the public good.
I cannot trust a reporter who is unable or unwilling to obey even a voluntary quarantine. News reporting is a public trust, an obligation to tell the truth and to care for the public good. How can a news reporter be, as Avalux points out, so irresponsible?
NBC should put her on administrative leave.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)It makes me angry she didn't comply - I can't give her any leeway for ignorance. I agree she should be placed on administrative leave.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)authorities ask you to observe a voluntary quarantine for a week; two days later, you go out shopping or get a snack from your favorite restaurant. THAT's how.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)instituted a mandatory quarantine in the first place. This is the same mistake they made with the Duncan family.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)Thanks.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)This isn't a word game. It's just the definition
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/voluntary?s=t
closeupready
(29,503 posts)pnwmom
(109,021 posts)in the first place, just as the one for Duncan's family should have been. And I don't understand why the niece has been under "voluntary" quarantine this whole time.
Neighbors of ours were under quarantine for Scarlet Fever decades ago, and it was not "voluntary" and everyone knew it.
And, no, I don't watch Snyderman.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I assume she's showing no symptoms and she didn't go into the restaurant--she picked up some other idiot to go do that for her.
Now, perhaps, the bozo who went in to get the dinner needs to be monitored for the next three weeks...?
closeupready
(29,503 posts)almost always be voluntary, of course. She must know that she's - prior to this point - been considered a public health authority; people watch her and listen to her advice, follow her example. On so many levels, this was an unforgiveable lapse of judgment. Illegal? No. Stupid? Unquestionably.
MADem
(135,425 posts)This was an unsurprising practice back in the "old days" before vaccinations when measles and other contagious diseases were common.
The town health department official would come to your home and nail a large, embarrassing sign on the front door, that could only be removed by that official once the danger had passed. Fines occurred if the family did not comply with the order.
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closeupready
(29,503 posts)Not sure what your point is.
uppityperson
(115,681 posts)outside your door making you stay there. But I agree, the term does have a couple meanings.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)It's 'voluntary' because they have asked you to comply, and you WILLINGLY do so because it's in the interest of public health.
Just because Nancy was able to leave her home, doesn't mean it was ok to do so.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)So I think they should just tell people they're quarantined, and not call it voluntary, since it isn't.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Does that make sense? You can call it what you like, but in the absence of an armed guard, it's impossible to make someone stay in their home without them being willing to do it. So it's voluntary.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)is an "involuntary lay-off."
MoonchildCA
(1,301 posts)... And you stop, you have violated that voluntary action.
Violate - to break, infringe, or transgress (a law, rule, agreement, promise, instructions, etc.).
philosslayer
(3,076 posts)Thats why its "voluntary".
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)Everyone calm the fuck down and stop being so scared. Compared to other illnesses and risks in this country Ebola is nothing, nada, zilch.
You are not going to catch it. Period.
still_one
(92,492 posts)progressoid
(50,011 posts)Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)Love the graphic.
pnwmom
(109,021 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)NBC and Snyderman hyped the whole 'ooh we've got a cameraman with Ebola' and inserted themselves in the story. Won't be surprised if they are working on an exclusive program called 'Recovering from Ebola', featuring their recently acquired Ebola diagnosed cameraman, the Nebraska isolation center, and Snyderman. Snyderman may be written out of the script after doing this though.
When NBC News has a segment on their national news about Duncan's family violating a voluntary quarantine, and then their own doctor, whom they trotted out to cover the Ebola crisis in West Africa, violates her voluntary quarantine...Well That's Hypocrisy. (No Amore for her).
FLPanhandle
(7,107 posts)If only the rest of the media did too. Unfortunately, Ebola stories are ratings gold right now and will they continue to cash in until the public tires of the whole thing.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)You remind me of the asshats who say cats don't need rabies shots because they've never personally seen a rabid cat. You think you know it all.
Please do tell us all where you got YOUR expertise in epidemiology and public health.
Beaverhausen
(24,475 posts)If she went from her house to her car and back to her house, is there really a danger she could infect someone else?
I'm just wondering.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)If we assume she wasn't just there to sit in her car. If she'd just started to have symptoms, and hadn't realized it yet (aka, had started the infectious phase) and happened to sneeze in the face of the person delivering the food, transmission could potentially occur.
Lots of ifs and low chances? Sure. But the whole point of 'abundance of caution' is to reduce that change to 0%, not 0.01% or whatever it might be if it turns out she actually is infected.
Beaverhausen
(24,475 posts)and yes, I guess if he carried any liquids from her body somewhere on him, I guess he could have infected the restaurant.
Drayden
(146 posts)He is a member of her staff. This was beyond stupid.
Beaverhausen
(24,475 posts)the article I read didn't identify who the driver was.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790507/nbc-chief-medical-correspondent-accused-violating-ebola-quarantine-visit-favorite-soup-restaurant.html
Witnesses claimed the physician and broadcaster wore sunglasses with her hair in a ponytail as she pulled up outside the restaurant and a man dashed in to grab the order, according to TMZ.
The website confirmed today the man who ran inside was a member of the NBC crew who was also under quarantine.
Can't be sure how reliable the info may be, since his identity isn't actually confirmed.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)There should be consequences for actions like that. Censure from the state medical board at minimum.
Sid
still_one
(92,492 posts)uppityperson
(115,681 posts)your door making you stay there.
still_one
(92,492 posts)benld74
(9,911 posts)a few years/office managers back a Xmas party was held. At the managers home, really nice home. Must attend type of party. All was good until I went to the food area and saw said manager refilling the meat, cheese, with bare hands,,,,,which had remnants of potato salad on them from scooping and refilling that tray,,,,
I left my dish on the table, walked away, notified our group, who left their plates where they sat. Luckily no illnesses were reported,,,,
SOME people just don't get it,,,,,,,,,,
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)kairos12
(12,892 posts)Daemonaquila
(1,712 posts)So. What?
Let's see... she isn't symptomatic therefore she is not contagious, she didn't go into the restaurant, and she had a friend pick up a takeout order so she wouldn't subject others to even the slightest risk from her presence. Sounds like reasonable precautions to me. Really, do you think that anyone in the areas where ebola is running rampant even has the same opportunity to take this level of precautions?
This sounds just like the hysteria that accompanied the beginning of the AIDS crisis.
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)not any worry about Ebola contagion.
NBC produced a segment on their national news about Duncan's family violating their voluntary quarantine. When their own doctor whom they used in their Ebola segments violates her voluntary quarantine are we expected to ignore that hypocrisy?
bottomofthehill
(8,361 posts)It's not like many people died of AIDs . Voluntary quarantine
....I don't think so
Avalux
(35,015 posts)A really bloody car crash and she ended up needing surgery...during this time becomes symptomatic? What she did sounds so harmless, and of course she knows because she a doc, right?
If people decide they know better than a voluntary quarantine and disregard it, what would happen if thousands and thousands were quarantined? Can't have armed guards for all of them. Everyone need to understand the importance of a voluntary quarantine. If someone like Nancy, who has a microphone and is presented as an expert to the public doesn't comply with it, doesn't make it seem as if it's not important?
bullsnarfle
(254 posts)how her "friend" feels about potentially being exposed to Ebola? I wonder if Dr. S could have even already infected her friend (or others) and not know it?
I know if there was ANY possibility of MY being infected, I wouldn't go near my friends, family, or even total strangers (except medical professionals) if you held a gun on me.
Oh, and re: AIDS, I do not remember any "hysteria" at the beginning of it...as a matter of fact, just the opposite. Maybe if there HAD been some hair-on-fire hysteria, instead of the damn Reagan bunch ignoring it, no-funding it, and burying it, some of the 21.8 MILLION men, women, and children who are dead might not be.
According to AIDS.org: " A)n estimated 21.8 million people have died of AIDS (17.5 million adults and 4.3 million children under 15)."
But, nothing to worry about folks, now everybody go shopping.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)I still honestly think it would have been better if she'd just stayed home altogether, and then asked her friend to get the meal. Then there wouldn't be such a mess, ya know?
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Thomas Duncan knew he was exposed, made the irresponsible decision to fly to the U.S. and lied on his screening- exposing and throwing lots of other lives into chaos and exposing at least one other.
Duncan's family refused the voluntary quarantine and had to be forced.
Synderman is sure she knows best and is special, so she acts irresponsibly.
And so many others will as this goes on. More people will fly over knowing they were exposed, more people exposed will circulate in public.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)"Only those icky brown people can spread Ebola. Not us rich white folks."
lpbk2713
(42,772 posts)They are only intended to keep the bourgeoisie in line.
Rex
(65,616 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)How do you guarantee infected person won't be out in public when symptoms develop?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)and report as soon as it spikes, that is plenty soon enough.
People aren't be in infected in the early stages.
LisaL
(44,980 posts)What are you qualifications to make such statements?
If she were to sit on the plane when her fever spiked, would that be fine and dandy?
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I will just take your word for it.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)already has cost the health of one of her lackeys.
We don't need anyone from over here to go over there just to tell us that things are fucked, we already know that. I hold the other media doctors in the same contempt as I hold Snyderman.
acegimoa
(1 post)I would like Nancy to answer a question before her team prepares a well written "appall-ogy". Was she not aware that mothers, fathers, and children live in NJ that may not want to be "potentially" exposed to Ebola? Sadly, that may be the only apology acceptable. Because there is a difference between ignorance and indifference. I can't help but wonder what her report would say - if it was discovered that one of these NJ mothers, fathers, or children decided to go for take-out when under quarantine. Would she defend that person (and would NBC support her words) publicly saying something such as 'I understand - your food craving is way more important than the health and safety of the rest of the world.. and how considerate of a person you must be to have waited in the car' . There is fault forever on her fingertips as she has just planted the idea that any person under quarantine can say "Well, I was (insert any choice action here) so I left quarantine." Shame.
countryjake
(8,554 posts)I would think that being aware that a member of her filming crew has already been hospitalized with Ebola should be enough to cue a doctor that certain practical precautions do need to be followed.
I still want to know how Mr. Mukpo managed to be exposed while they were doing their story in Liberia, but I've not heard many reports on his case, at all. Just that he was transported to Nebraska after symptoms appeared and he seemed to be improving last Friday.
Beaverhausen
(24,475 posts)countryjake
(8,554 posts)LisaL
(44,980 posts)He thinks he got infected during the process of washing the car.
gvstn
(2,805 posts)Mr. Mukpo lived in Liberia (or perhaps some other part of West Africa) for three years. He only started work for NBC the day before he fell ill. So he thought he was healthy and was hired as a second cameraman for the NBC crew as a freelancer, presumably because he was an American and spoke English. The second day on the job he showed symptoms and so those who had been working with him were sent home in an abundance of caution.
NBCNews gave Snyderman's non-apology on tonight's news. "Members of our crew"
http://www.tmz.com/2014/10/13/dr-nancy-snyderman-ebola-quarantine-statement-symptoms-nbc-news/#comments-fullwrapper
countryjake
(8,554 posts)After watching VICE's film, I honestly can't get too worked up over the kerfuffle created by Dr. Snyderman's little soup-run; she is correct to point out that she and her NBC colleagues haven't got any fevers.
On the other hand, the situation in Liberia and the rest of West Africa is horrific. They are dying for help in Africa!
gvstn
(2,805 posts)closeupready
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Euphoria
(448 posts)mean sandwich and salad plate! I always go for the grilled vegetable panini, myself.