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Happy Indigenous Peoples Day (Original Post) MrScorpio Oct 2014 OP
Happy Indigenous Peoples Day to you too, MrScorpio. bigwillq Oct 2014 #1
Thanks, Will! MrScorpio Oct 2014 #2
K&R ReRe Oct 2014 #3
One eighth Crow here-- panader0 Oct 2014 #4
K&R LostOne4Ever Oct 2014 #5
Cherokee here, this day Pisses me off. sarcasmo Oct 2014 #6
Chiricahua Apache (maternal) Tamahumara (Mom's father) Yaqui and Mescalero Apache (Dad's). denbot Oct 2014 #7
cousin! hopemountain Oct 2014 #11
Hear, hear! geardaddy Oct 2014 #8
Happy remembrance of genocide day heaven05 Oct 2014 #9
Thomas Jefferson remembers the Indians he knew as a child. June 11, 1812 letter to John Adams. JDPriestly Oct 2014 #10
Happy Canadian Thanksgiving Day. hobbit709 Oct 2014 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2014 #13
1/8th Lakota here. progressoid Oct 2014 #14

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
3. K&R
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 11:52 AM
Oct 2014

Do you have that "Reconsider Columbus Day" website jotted down somewhere? I thought I had it, but when I plugged it in while ago, it didn't work. Changed it around and tried different ways, but no dice. I'll keep looking until I find it and come back and post it.

denbot

(9,899 posts)
7. Chiricahua Apache (maternal) Tamahumara (Mom's father) Yaqui and Mescalero Apache (Dad's).
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 01:07 PM
Oct 2014

With some French Canadian (my great, great, maternal grandfather was U.S. Calvery buried at Ft. Bliss TX), and some Chicano (my Dad's mom was mixed Indian/New Mexican).

My wife greeted me this morning with "Happy Genocide Day"..


 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
9. Happy remembrance of genocide day
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:12 PM
Oct 2014

to think that the schools systems still teach that Columbus was the 'founder' of this country, that country over there and oh don't forget those islands he 'discovered' for the imperialists in Spain.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
10. Thomas Jefferson remembers the Indians he knew as a child. June 11, 1812 letter to John Adams.
Mon Oct 13, 2014, 02:12 PM
Oct 2014

Excerpt:

So much in answer to your enquiries concerning Indians, a people with whom, in the very early part of my life, I was very familiar, and acquired impressions of attachment and commiseration for them which have never been obliterated. Before the revolution they were in the habit of coming often, and in great numbers to the seat of our government, where I was very much with them. I knew much the great Outassete [i.e., Outacity], the warrior and orator of the Cherokees. He was always the guest of my father, on his journeys to and from Williamsburg. I was in his camp when he made his great farewell oration to his people, the evening before his departure for England. The moon was in full splendor, and to her he seemed to address himself in his prayers for his own safety on the voyage, and that of his people during his absence. His sounding voice, distinct articulation, animated actions, and the solemn silence of his people at their several fires, filled me with awe and veneration, altho' I did not understand a word he uttered. That nation, consisting now of about 2000. wariors, and the Creeks of about 3000. are far advanced in civilisation. They have good Cabins, inclosed fields, large herds of cattle and hogs, spin and weave their own clothes of cotton, have smiths and other of the most necessary tradesmen, write and read, are on the increase in numbers, and a branch of the Cherokees is now instituting a regular representative government. Some other tribes were advancing in the same line. On those who have made any progress, English seductions will have no effect. But the backward will yeild, and be thrown further back. These will relapse into barbarism and misery, lose numbers by war and want, and we shall be obliged to drive them, with the beasts of the forest into the Stony mountains. They will be conquered however in Canada. The possession of that country secures our women and children for ever from the tomahawk and scalping knife, by removing those who excite them: and for this possession, orders I presume are issued by this time; taking for granted that the doors of Congress will re-open with a Declaration of war. That this may end in indemnity for the past, security for thefuture, and compleat emancipation from Anglomany, Gallomany, and all the manias of demoralized Europe, and that you may live in health and happiness to see all this, is the sincere prayer of Yours affectionately.

http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/presidents/thomas-jefferson/letters-of-thomas-jefferson/jefl214.php

Adams remember the Indians he knew as a child. June 28, 1812

I also have felt an Interest in the Indians and a Commiseration for them from my Childhood. Aaron Pomham the Priest and Moses Pomham the King of the Punkapaug and Neponsit Tribes, were frequent Visitors at my Fathers house at least Seventy Years ago. I have a distinct remembrance of their Forms and Figures. They were very aged, and the tallest and Stoutest Indians I have ever Seen. The Titles of King and Priest, and the Names of Moses and Aaron were given them no doubt by our Massachusetts Divines and Statesmen. There was a numerous Family in this Town, whose Wigwam was within a Mile of this House. This Family were frequently at my Fathers house And I in my boyish Rambles used to call at their Wigwam, where I never failed to be treated with Whortle Berries Blackberries Strawberries or Apples Plumbs Peaches &c for they had planted a variety of fruit Trees about them. But the Girls went out to Service and the Boys to Sea, till not a Soul is left. We Scarcely See an Indian in a year. I remember the Time when Indian Murders, Scalpings14 Depredations and conflagrations were as frequent on the Eastern and Northern Frontier of Massachusetts as they are now in Indiana, and Spread as much terror. But Since the Conquest of Canada, all this has ceased; and I believe with you that another Conquest of Canada will quiet the Indians forever and be as great a Blessing to them as to Us.

http://founders.archives.gov/documents/Jefferson/03-05-02-0152

The Europeans who came to America had only their European experience with which to assess the Native Americans. Today we like to think we "know better." But, as my father used to say, "Do not judge a man until you have walked in his shoes for a day." We judge the early Americans and the explorers and discoverers for what we view as their mistakes. But they were ignorant. The lesson to be learned is to be humble about our own knowledge and to be cautious about feeling superior to others.

I just thought this would be an interesting view of the America that our forefathers lived in.



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