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Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:40 AM Oct 2014

Does this NY Times' headline bother you as much as it does me?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/16/us/late-surge-of-money-buoys-republicans-in-races-that-will-decide-control-of-senate.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&version=HpSumSmallMediaHigh&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

The headline is Late Surge of Money buoys Republicans in Races that Will Decide Control of Senate.

It really bothers me. "Buoys" strikes me as far less than an objective tone. Why isn't it simply, "PAC money injected in Senate races for Republicans"? That is far more accurate and projects less of a viewpoint or judgment.
Aah. That's the reason. The media is not interested in reporting the facts but in supporting a particular side.

Fuck the mainstream media.
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Does this NY Times' headline bother you as much as it does me? (Original Post) Sanity Claws Oct 2014 OP
Our msm is a very bad joke. Too bad it's still influential. merrily Oct 2014 #1
They can't Democratic Party raised more than 50 yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #42
Did you mean to post that to me? merrily Oct 2014 #43
Not necessary. Just to anyone who cares yeoman6987 Oct 2014 #44
I'll reword. You replied to my post. Did you mean to reply to me or to the OP? merrily Oct 2014 #45
The MSM loves them those "money surges"....who gets all that money?? To them it is all about the Fred Sanders Oct 2014 #2
Don't be picayune. It's not like The New York Times lies about matters of war and peace. Octafish Oct 2014 #3
Silly Octafish. The Times-Picayune is the NOLA cat box liner. KamaAina Oct 2014 #24
Hahahaha!!!! There used to be a magazine devoted to correcting the Paper of Record... Octafish Oct 2014 #29
Buoy (verb): "to sustain or encourage" brooklynite Oct 2014 #4
I consider it subtle propaganda Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #6
You're welcome to; I think you're over-reacting brooklynite Oct 2014 #7
The point is that this is not an isolated incident Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #11
You think low information voters are influenced in their voting by how much money a Party raises? brooklynite Oct 2014 #14
You are creating a strawman Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #15
...and almost everyone else disagreed with your interpretation of this as "bias" brooklynite Oct 2014 #17
so you have moved from strawman argument to a bandwagon argument Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #20
NO, I came to that conclusion on my own...like everyone else did. brooklynite Oct 2014 #46
But all don't disagree. Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #48
With a picture of a beaming Republican. moondust Oct 2014 #5
So you think the NY Times is in the tank for the Republicans? Nye Bevan Oct 2014 #8
and also super accurate reflection of what is occurring. La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #10
no, its an accurate statement. a news paper is supposed to be objective otherwise La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #9
It is not objective Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #13
the fact that money boost visibility of candidates, is really not a subjective matter La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #18
That was not the headline Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #19
i think you have trouble understanding what buoyed means. nt La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2014 #21
No, I understand exactly what it means. Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #23
the word is both accurate and neutral in contextual usage. LanternWaste Oct 2014 #47
So when you get a pay raise or win a prize Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #22
There is a distinction between reporting facts and writing conclusions Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #25
You have become entertaining. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #28
Interesting Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #30
Your argument has no merit because it's based on your feelings, not fact. Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #31
huh? Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #35
OMG. Just OMG. nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #36
That reads like something Rush Limbaugh would say. Kingofalldems Oct 2014 #39
Are you suggesting that more money could depress them? muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #33
Couldn't it just as easily be spun as Sanity Claws Oct 2014 #37
But that would be longer, and also implying they have 'fear' muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #38
USA - For Sale. jwirr Oct 2014 #12
Seriously? nt Dreamer Tatum Oct 2014 #16
Yes it bothers me, but I already knew the M$M worked for the same people as the GOP. Rex Oct 2014 #26
Surge of Money buoys Republicans in Races that Will Decide Control of Senate. NCTraveler Oct 2014 #27
It's sad that money Faux pas Oct 2014 #32
No, it does not. Jim Lane Oct 2014 #34
looks like a typo to me hfojvt Oct 2014 #40
Not the medias fault that idiots believe political ads! Nt Logical Oct 2014 #41
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
42. They can't Democratic Party raised more than 50
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 01:47 PM
Oct 2014

Million dollars then the Republicans overall. It is 475 million for Democratic Party to 425 million for GOP.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. The MSM loves them those "money surges"....who gets all that money?? To them it is all about the
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:44 AM
Oct 2014

ad money, the issues be damned, where is The Precious going?

The MSM is in a major conflict of interest when it comes to massive ad buys, money that goes to them, when it comes time to report on the corruption of politics by money. Only a public finance system for politicians can clean away the rotten infection.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. Don't be picayune. It's not like The New York Times lies about matters of war and peace.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 09:52 AM
Oct 2014

Oh. I need to make a retraction...

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
29. Hahahaha!!!! There used to be a magazine devoted to correcting the Paper of Record...
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:16 PM
Oct 2014
Lies Of Our Times

Wish it were still with us. Democracy sure could use more truth.

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
6. I consider it subtle propaganda
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 10:14 AM
Oct 2014

Frankly, how do you measure encouragement?

I think the Republicans are just less scared shitless because they got all this fucking PAC money.

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
11. The point is that this is not an isolated incident
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 11:01 AM
Oct 2014

This viewpoint indicating subtle bias comes through in so much of the MSM.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
14. You think low information voters are influenced in their voting by how much money a Party raises?
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 11:26 AM
Oct 2014

I would say that's a subject of interest only for political professionals and buffs.

I would also say that undecided low-information voters aren't reading the New York Times.

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
15. You are creating a strawman
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 11:39 AM
Oct 2014

I pointed out the subtle bias in the headline. This single headline is an example of the bias implicit in so much of media coverage. That bias contained in the media in general does have an effect in how people think about the parties, the issues, etc.
My post has nothing to do with what publications the undecided low-information voters read.

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
20. so you have moved from strawman argument to a bandwagon argument
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:01 PM
Oct 2014

Will glittering generalities come next?

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
46. NO, I came to that conclusion on my own...like everyone else did.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:04 PM
Oct 2014

Sometimes, when everyone disagrees with you....it's you.

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
48. But all don't disagree.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:32 PM
Oct 2014

But even if they did, so what?
What does "it's me" mean? What am I? Wrong? Even if I were the only one who held an opinion, why would that make me wrong? If I have a different opinion, so what?

moondust

(19,981 posts)
5. With a picture of a beaming Republican.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 10:00 AM
Oct 2014

Looking confident, relaxed. Boy, he's got this thing!

I'm surprised they didn't add a picture of a Democrat looking panicked.

MSM is a joke.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
8. So you think the NY Times is in the tank for the Republicans?
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 10:55 AM
Oct 2014

I don't think so. "Buoys", like "boosts", is an entirely neutral word.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
9. no, its an accurate statement. a news paper is supposed to be objective otherwise
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 10:57 AM
Oct 2014

what it is not news, its propoganda

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
13. It is not objective
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 11:05 AM
Oct 2014

How did they measure the alleged boost? Is there a quote from specific Republicans from which they base their conclusion?

The fact is that Republicans received an injection of funds in the Senate races. This fact is just as easily spun as "Injection of Dark Money from PACs stave off Republicans' Fear of Loss in Senate Races."

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
19. That was not the headline
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 11:57 AM
Oct 2014

It did not say that candidates' visibility was boosted. It said that Republicans were buoyed.
There were no quotes from Republicans to support that they buoyed or anything else objective on which to base the conclusion. As I mentioned in a prior post, the actual fact, namely the injection of money in the race, could just as easily be spun as the Republicans fear a great loss in the Senate races.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
47. the word is both accurate and neutral in contextual usage.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:11 PM
Oct 2014

Regardless of the myriad of other creative definitions you yourself may have constructed, the word is both accurate and neutral in contextual usage.

You have not though, explained precisely why, in its current usage, the word and its definition are objectively biased (e.g., not neutral)- you've merely made unsupported allegations.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
22. So when you get a pay raise or win a prize
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:05 PM
Oct 2014

we'll be sure to consult you on whether you feel buoyed or not.

Christ.

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
25. There is a distinction between reporting facts and writing conclusions
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:13 PM
Oct 2014

So if I get a raise or win a prize and you are reporting on that in a newspaper, yes, I do expect you to consult me on whether I feel buoyed or not. I could feel disappointed at the amount of the raise or harbor bad feelings about someone who was given a greater prize.
If you don't consult me, then the only thing you can report is that I got a raise or won a prize.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
31. Your argument has no merit because it's based on your feelings, not fact.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:30 PM
Oct 2014

No matter how hard you try, you cannot elevate your feelings to fact.

Your insistence that the NYT is biased is not supported by facts. Can you show me the NYT's critique
of Obama's many recent fundraisers? No. I am sorry you don't like it, but the GOP is entitled to raise
money and benefit from it just as the Democratic Party. It is as journalistically sound to infer that a
cash raise is a welcome thing as it is to infer that getting Ebola is a bad thing. And no, I didn't miss your
point.

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
35. huh?
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:44 PM
Oct 2014

I am the one who is insisting that facts be reported, not alleged feelings. I point out that the fact reported is the injection of money. Republicans being buoyed is a conclusion, not a fact. Yet you claim that my argument is based on feelings, not fact.
Your post does not make sense.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
33. Are you suggesting that more money could depress them?
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:35 PM
Oct 2014

Any campaign is boosted, buoyed, encouraged, helped etc. by extra money.

Sanity Claws

(21,848 posts)
37. Couldn't it just as easily be spun as
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:52 PM
Oct 2014

"Injection of PAC money staves off Republican fear of Senate race losses"

A viewpoint is being expressed.
A simple reporting of the facts would be that Republicans get large infusion of cash for the Senate races. The rest is spin, conclusion, viewpoint.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,316 posts)
38. But that would be longer, and also implying they have 'fear'
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 01:25 PM
Oct 2014

Without reading the article (NYT limits articles to non-subscribers, and I don't want to waste one on this), saying they have 'fear' is not necessarily true. However, whether their campaigns have been going badly, well or indifferently, we can all agree that more money will help them. Well, all except you, because you still seem to cling to the idea that a campaign might get pissed off about being given money.

You need to explain why you think 'buoy' is 'spin'. So far, you've just asserted that it is, and convinced no-one. People have quoted dictionaries at you, so they are winning the argument, and you're losing. Some idea of your thinking really is needed for this thread to mean anything.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
26. Yes it bothers me, but I already knew the M$M worked for the same people as the GOP.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:13 PM
Oct 2014

There is no such thing a Conflict of Interest anymore...the SCOTUS made sure of that.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
27. Surge of Money buoys Republicans in Races that Will Decide Control of Senate.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:13 PM
Oct 2014

PAC money injected in Senate races for Republicans buoys Republicans in Races that Will Decide Control of Senate as PAC money for Democrats hasn't come in at the same pace.

Yeah, their headline is a little better. It is also readable as a headline and a good descriptor of what you are about to read. Also seems accurate and the article does a pretty good job explaining some of it.

Faux pas

(14,680 posts)
32. It's sad that money
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:32 PM
Oct 2014

wins elections, not ideas and people. Never thought I'd live long enough to have to endure this sh*t. Of course, being from the 60's, I was supposed to live fast, die young and leave a good looking corpse...blew that one!

 

Jim Lane

(11,175 posts)
34. No, it does not.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:41 PM
Oct 2014

I'm certainly not saying that the corporate media are objective. In this particular instance, however, I agree with the responses here that consider this headline fair.

What bothers me is the influx of money, not that the Times reported it.

If I cared enough about this subject, I'll bet I could find headlines about Democrats being buoyed or boosted or encouraged, or about Republicans being concerned or worried, when the event being reported was blue instead of red.

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