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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis is what American families have to deal with on cable commercials:
How to get a date, leading to getting laid or married, take your choice
For men, once you're a sexually active senior, help getting it up. This is being pushed 24/7 by a sexy blond telling you to take this pill in order to have fun with your "honey."
For women in menopause, how to keep your dry vagina lubricated so you don't experience painful intercourse.
I AM UP TO HERE WITH THIS DISGUSTING COMMERCIAL PORNOGRAPHY. I keep all cable off now when my grandsons come over because I do not want them to become curious about sex long before they should. But apparently there are absolute NO controls on what is advertised on tv anymore. The words I used in this post are what is said in these ads, and worse.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)she uses on her "V". Yes, she says "V". She's talking to her husband who is taking a shower, tells him that the soap he's using is special for her privates, and then he is horrified and spend the day trying to act manly, I guess to get that girlyness off of him. Offensive and gross on several levels. And no, old men, I don't care about your boners. And no, bored middle aged couples, I don't care how a self-heating lube makes you all tingly and excited. Tired of having to do sudden mutes and fast-forwards.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I am really mad as hell about this!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Adsos Letter
(19,459 posts)...ah, sorry...
canuck999
(5 posts)Actually, you can use any soap, just wash
your penis fast.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)I bet the OP would faint watching commercials in Paris
shanti
(21,675 posts)I do this with ALL commercials. It helps considerably! That's why I rarely watch anything that is not recorded by me first. The rare exception is PBS, but even they have sold out to Mickey D's - grrrrrr.
Journeyman
(15,031 posts)that cable would have figured out some means to filter what goes out to each customer. You can set parental controls for program content from cable suppliers. Why not be allowed to establish controls for what advertising comes through as well?
leftstreet
(36,107 posts)I've wondered the same thing. Although some advertisers might really balk - how would they let people know they need to buy an engagement ring, or dog poop bags, or yogurt?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I am only partially being sarcastic here.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Ampersand Unicode
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SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)Does anyone think that the advertisers even have the slightest *hint* that the people portrayed in Grant Wood's 'American Gothic' are father and daughter?
Or is that the whole point of the ad?
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)They are father and daughter.
But I assume whoever made the commercial wouldn't know Art History if he bit 'em in the ass.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)In actuality, they are the artist's sister and his dentist.
It always amuses me that they now epitomize rural people in the '30's!
alp227
(32,019 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)While I agree that we are inundated with needless pharmaceutical commercials to the point of exhaustion, I don't see those pushing sex enhancing drugs as any worse than the latest twitchy leg drug or diabetes drug.
I never taught my kids to be disgusted with sexual related terms like vagina or penis or erection or lubricant and I would never be embarrassed, disgusted or ashamed for them to hear those words. In fact, it would be just the opposite. I would be embarrassed or ashamed if hey referred to their body parts with terms such as v-j-j or willie.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Wow, just wow.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I think that it is your attitude in regards to the human body and it's functions and the terminology for it- that is what deserves the "Wow, just wow."
Skittles
(153,156 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)The ads on Cartoon, Nik, Nik Jr, Disney, etc are really getting out of hand! I see those ads during the day on DiscoveryID - you know, the Head in a Box Channel, which is super appropriate for kids.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)They entered this world through one...unless they were born C-Section. They should be intimately familiar with breasts too unless there was some reason their mother didn't breastfeed them.
And don't get me started on nudity. We were all born naked. No one was born with clothes on. Why is nudity considered unwholesome?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)functions or lack thereof
If some consider those commercials pornography, I can't help wondering what they consider their annual physicals to be?
herding cats
(19,564 posts)Or maybe the gender neutral "naughty parts" would be better?
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)And this was the person my mother appointed (my mother runs the entire family like a general in a military dictatorship, lol) to teach me about sex.
I'm so glad I found Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Sex and read it when no one was paying attention. If not, I would still think that penises just went into vaginas and did nothing else and a baby came out of that 9 months later. I would never know about the other stuff that happens, like what a hymen is, that there is actual movement once the penis is inserted, sex, ejaculation, eggs, sperm, or anything else, not even the proper terms. None of that was mentioned in my official "the birds and the bees" talk. Just "a man puts his "boy part" into a girl's "girl part" and then she is pregnant. Huh?
herding cats
(19,564 posts)My grandmother and my mother were both very repressed and couldn't bring themselves to discuss sexuality openly. Most of the questions I asked were answered with, because that's how it is, or good little girls don't think about those things. Needless to say I stopped asking questions pretty darn early. If it hadn't been for my friends mom having a copy of Our Bodies, Ourselves and Woman's Body: An Owner's Manual I would have been in for some major surprises later in life.
Skittles
(153,156 posts)I WILL KICK MISSPELLING HERDING CATS ASS; yes INDEED
herding cats
(19,564 posts)I'm blaming it on an overly uptight autocorrect moment.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Then the kids will ask why do they have something that helps a man spank his monkey.
Up next, Why Women Should Embrace Post Menopausal Vajayjay Dryness and Painful Intercourse....Because Think of the Children.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)boys have a "wee wee"
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I think about how many of them are so totally screwed up in the head by people that teach such things are dirty, nasty and somehow un-human.
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)It's the same with people who freak out over part of a nipple shown during the superbowl out of fear that children's minds will somehow be polluted forever with erotoxins.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Because they're the ones who have the minds that have been polluted.
Skittles
(153,156 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)The darker, the better. Women must always lie on their backs, perfectly still and without making a sound for the 30-45 seconds it takes for a guy to put his boy part into your girl part and do the disgusting, filthy deed. And remember, never, ever go to sleep without getting up and washing all the icky wet stuff off first. M'kay?
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)My mother telling her the night before she got married at age 23, "Don't forget to douche after intercourse"
Yep, gotta wash that icky man-stuff out of there. Mom thought sex was nasty and guilt-tripped me about being "boy crazy" because "bad things" happen to girls that are "boy crazy". Then I finally got tired of her non-informative rant and said, "Oh, you want me to look at girls? Is that what you want?" so she shut up.
Mom actually douched with Lysol. I saw a bottle in the bathroom cabinet. I remember my sister telling mom not to douche before she went to the doctor for a pelvic exam because he needed to know if there were any germs that were not supposed to be there. Mom didn't know about the difference between normal flora and bad bugs.
I got NO sex education or information about "boy parts" or "girl parts" at all. what they told us in school in 12th grade (1972) was a joke. It was inaccurate--two virgins can give each other STDs and you can sneeze on someone and give them an STD--and didn't tell us anything we needed to know. I had no brothers and a very modest father. I saw a diagram of a flaccid penis in sagittal section in a book which told me absolutely nothing I needed to know.
All I got was the fourth grade Disney movie about menstruation and that just said "Now you're a woman and you can have children" and what pads were about so we wouldn't leave bloody trails in the school hallways. Nothing about the male's part in fertilization, nothing about actual intercourse, or why we were menstruating except to say "now you can have children". The first sentence in the little book said, "Someday you will grow up and want to have children." I thought at the age of ten, "Well, I'm not sure about that. I will have to think about it first."
The main thing I learned about menstruation was that it was messy, painful, made me miss school with disabling cramps, and I had to argue with a male teacher about going to the bathroom at noon to change a pad and being late to his class. I hated it for decades. He threatened to write me up for detention. I told him to talk to my mother about it, and he backed down. I should have thrown a bloody kotex on his desk and told him that was the reason I had to go to the bathroom. We didn't have enough time between classes to go pee because it was a huge high school and we only had 6 minutes between classes.
When I was growing up in the sixties there were no library books for me to check out or read and nobody who was a grownup would tell me anything. We had some movie with that asshole advice columnist Ann Landers telling us "do anything on a date except kiss" and "all boys want one thing from you and when they get that, they'll throw you away like kleenex."
All I got was guilt-tripping and slut-shaming if I was "boy crazy". I didn't have very many dates because I was smart, and I thought I must be ugly. I got contacts and wore makeup, and then still didn't have dates, so I decided "This whole system of dating is bullshit, because I can't get a boy to ask me out." Girls were not allowed to call boys. That was a big no-no.
When I was in high school, "Everything You Always Wanted to Know about Sex" came out about 1971. I got a copy from my older sister. It was written by a psychiatrist and some of it was inaccurate but at least it was something with factual information. The sixties and seventies were a conspiracy of silence to keep us from knowing about our own bodies.
And no, Playboy, which I did not see until my sister got married and her husband read it, does NOT explain about sex. It is not a substitute for adequate sex education. There's a taboo against showing penises. So I was still pretty clueless. Really didn't know what the boy had to do to the girl to get her pregnant.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)your leg above the knee." and do you know what? One of the very first boys I dated (I was 15) had a foot fetish and asked me if he could suck my toes.
Ah, the irony, eh mom?
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)They didn't think about kinky people, did they???
When I went to the University of Houston (big state school) in the 1970s they had an accurate sex education booklet called "Between Your Navel and Your Knees" which had accurate information in it. But I sure didn't get any in grade school or high school.
Judging somebody by whether or not they are a virgin is damned shallow and demeaning and insulting to a person. Elizabeth Smart, the Mormon girl who was kidnaped, talked about how after she was kidnaped and raped, she figured it was OK if she died because she was worthless. I'm glad somebody talked in public about how damaging the virginity culture is.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)None of my friends were, so I decided to do something about it. I was so intent on ending my virginity that I gave up my Peter Frampton concert tickets for it.
Oh, but the next day, when I went over to my moms (I moved away from home when I was 15 but that's a whole nother story) I was sitting at her kitchen table and she looked at me and blurted out "Sissy (she has always called me Sissy), you look like you just got laid."
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Ampersand Unicode
(503 posts)Didn't want to hear a thing about it. In elementary school you had to have a permission slip signed from your parent or guardian in order to go to "health day." I threw it in the trash because I knew that what they were going to talk about was bad. Because I didn't have the permission slip signed (my mother never knew about it), the alternative was a silent-reading class where you brought in a book and read quietly. I was fine with that.
Then in junior high, they basically did the same thing, only you went to your homeroom and did whatever (homework, reading, nap at desk, etc. -- they didn't care as long as it was quiet), kind of like study hall. Again I threw the permission slip in the trash and didn't utter a peep to my mother. By this age she wanted to have "the talk" with me, but I usually just pretended I was sleeping or went outside to do something in the yard. Rake leaves, pull weeds, paint the flower boxes, etc. (When I was about 8 I just plugged my ears and went la-la-la-la-la. At some point she gave up and figured I just didn't want to hear about it.)
Finally, when I was in high school, we had to go to a school-wide assembly; you didn't need a permission slip if you were 16 or older, but it was announced well in advance so that you had the choice of whether to go or not (and could inform your parents, who had the authority to keep you home). I faked sick and didn't tell mom at all, so that I wouldn't have to go. Somehow or another I made it all the way through K12 without having "the talk" or learning about techniques or protection methods. I figured why should I learn about something that I know, I just know, in every fiber of my being, that I'm NEVER GOING TO USE?
I am now an 18-year-old freshman in college (yes, I grew up during the sexting era, not the fifties or sixties) and still only have a vague idea of what goes on -- and I intend to keep it that way. I know nothing about the actual process, only that "it" (the dreaded it) causes disease. I don't consider myself to be all that great at science, but I remember getting a flying-color A in biology class senior year with a science-fair project on how sex causes disease, and all the yucky, disgusting bacteria that makes pus-filled, oozing sores on your (I used the term "bathroom parts" . I explained how disgusting it really was that the sex parts are the same areas where you go to the bathroom and even throw up.
And because of this, I like to think that I was the reason we had the most sparsely-attended prom in the entire 65 years of the school's history. Kids seeing up-close images of the disgusting creepy-crawly things that sex is associated with really makes you think twice about how "hot and heavy" or "beautiful and romantic" this whole thing really is.
To this day I have never been on a date, never had my first kiss, certainly never done the nasty in any capacity (including the Clinton position or "dancing with myself" . And again, I would like to keep it that way. I've invested myself so much in the negative aspects of sex and relationships (including having witnessed firsthand the effects of my father's booze-addled pugilism targeting my mother and sometimes little me) that I actually no longer even have the capacity to "fall in love." I even underwent MRI and EEG scans (again, as part of a science project) to ensure this, and it's true: I'm actually immune to oxytocin, the "love hormone," the "pleasure chemical." It doesn't light up no matter how many pictures of pretty-boy movie stars you put in front of me. It's dead. And I'm all the better for it.
My sex ed consisted of viewing microscope slides and graphic images of AIDS bacteria, and hearing over and over again, "Go to college and get a good job so that you can be self-sufficient and NEVER MARRY A GUY LIKE YOUR FATHER."
Never marry a guy like your father.
Never marry a guy.
Never marry.
Never. Fall. In. Love.
And I promised her that I never would. I intend to keep that promise and die a successful, unattached singleton. The one lesson she taught me, I promised to use all through my life. (I'm actually tearing up writing this.)
So my message to society is, keep your sex ed and your romance all you want. Just keep it the hell away from me. My mother had enough broken blood vessels in her eye, enough shiners, enough tearful, fearful nights to make spinsterhood look like paradise rather than the death sentence of loneliness it's been made out to be. And enough people have died of infectious diseases like AIDS and syphilis that it's a fool's errand to play Russian roulette with your immune system. There isn't enough Purell in the world that can clean that mess up either.
TL;DR: Love stinks.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,175 posts)PassingFair
(22,434 posts)"Only if you're doing it with your ex-wife's child!"
Bettie
(16,095 posts)We're open with our kids about bodies and sex and all.
But, honestly, at six, commercials were (and are, my youngest is six now) just a boring interruption in the program they want to watch. Little attention is paid, because it isn't interesting to them.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)honestly, I don't know how a 6 year old would have time to watch so much tv that they would be viewing those "disgusting" commercials.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)Which are mostly couples talking about dating or getting married.
I haven't seen any of those that are particularly suggestive of anything except dating.
Now, on the radio, I hear ads for "What's my price dot com" and that sounds a little like prostitution to me, but not the TV ads for the usual dating services.
I'm actually more concerned about ads and the way they portray our society giving my kids a warped view of how things 'should' be.
But then, they've got me and the husband as their reality checks!
My kids often have the TV on, but it is usually background noise while they are doing something else. The only kids I know who watch particularly intently are those who come from homes where TV isn't allowed. Explicitly forbid something and it becomes the most enticing thing possible.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Then it was - game on to get it.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)When I don't want them to have something, I demand that they do or eat it.
They are getting wise to me, but it worked for a while.
Now, if I want cookies for me and husband, I put nuts in them...they fear nuts, for whatever reason.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)I never demanded they eat anything, but I offered so much that they would actually refuse it. To this day, my son wont eat a HOHO. Candy was always sitting out and it was usually the kids friends that came in and ate it. And when I wanted them to try something they were skittish about, I would just say, it was much too good for children.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)Mostly, I figure they'll grow out of being picky. I have a friend who was terribly picky when we were in school together, now, she'll even eat vegetables, which she wouldn't do then!
Mostly, they are nervous about new things. At some point in their lives, clearly they got the idea that I'm trying to poison them with fruits, veggies, and spices. Sigh.
The little one won't eat cooked veggies, only raw. AND he doesn't like ketsup or ranch! He also won't eat cheese, which seems weird to me, having grown up in Wisconsin.
Sounds like you and I have similarly awesome parenting styles!
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Did you potty train your boys by letting them run around the house naked?
Bettie
(16,095 posts)The last one was a nightmare!
I finally told him he was on his own (at age 4) and had to clean himself up if he chose not to eliminate in the bathroom. It took him two days after over a year of tearing my hair out.
He's very different from the other two in every way.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)And he kept his word. Until then though, I was at his beck and call. I guess my sister got tired of hearing him yell "someone come wipe my butt" so she bought him a bell.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)I hate to break this to you, but 6-year olds know what penises and vaginas are. And if you treat these body parts in a matter-of-fact manner they will not grow up thinking that these body parts are "icky", amusing, or unmentionable.
Ampersand Unicode
(503 posts)...and not until I was 15, actually.
All I know of them otherwise is that they're things you don't talk about in public.
Three things you avoid in polite conversation: politics, religion and sex.
'Course, I wish people would keep their religion to themselves in the way we're supposed to keep our naughty bits under wraps.
REP
(21,691 posts)Of course, it's not an ad for a lubricant but to help rebuild a certain type of tissue. I doubt your six year old can read and/or understand the print onscreen, let alone know what "painful intercourse after menopause" means. If he asks, tell him talking is a form of intercourse.
Hippo_Tron
(25,453 posts)It's a body part. You can explain a dry vagina to a six year old without getting into graphic details about sex.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)for six-year-olds to watch TV. That stuff really damages the brain, worse than any drug. One of the most heartbreaking moments in my memory is seeing a friend's kid glued to the TV like a zombie, she didn't even flinch when I waved my hand in front of her eyes.
Keep your kids away from TV!
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)But I'm not, and sometimes I need a break.
Man from Pickens
(1,713 posts)but I do wonder what parents did when they needed a break, before the age of television? Whatever it was, it couldn't have been less healthy than the consumer-training-brainwashing that the TVs put out.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)to play in traffic and learn street smarts, both of which are worse than television. Not all television rots the brain. It all depends on what they watch.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Often, I got the feeling that they had their fingers crossed that they would soon hear the sounds of squealing brakes and crushing bones.
Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)I guess we couldn't even see a performance of Othello. After all, Iago says, "I am one, sir, that comes to tell you your daughter and the Moor are now making the beast with two backs." That would expose the little tykes to sexual intercourse plus racism. Much better to re-run a My Little Pony episode.
The problem with television is that, unless you reduce the entire medium to children's fare, there will inevitably be content that's problematic. Before television, parents could exercise some control over what books and magazines came into the house (although the covert viewing of Playboy by underage readers is not unheard of). Television opens up many more possibilities, such that parents can't monitor them all. Nevertheless, that's no basis for dumbing down the whole medium even more than it already is.
Ampersand Unicode
(503 posts)My English 101 class this year has had some pretty racy stuff that I couldn't even stomach. They seem to be moving away from the more strait-laced titles of old, and pushing for more of the controversial "contemporary" ones. We had to read one of the Best American Essays books, and in it there's an article by some guy about a kinky relationship between the guy who wrote Dracula and (I believe?) Ralph Emerson.
I couldn't, I just couldn't.
After midterms we started this book House on Mango Street and it's really disgusting. I hate those coming-of-age stories that have body stuff in them. (I should have gotten the Spanish version so that I wouldn't understand it.) I'm probably going to get my worst grade ever unless the professor lightens up and stops picking on me for not wanting to read borderline porn. At the top of the semester you had to make a list of all your favorite books. He pointed out that mine were middle-grade or for children. Nobody else had Goodnight Moon or Mouse and the Motorcycle or the Corduroy Bear series on their list. They all had Twilight, Fifty Shades of Grey, Hunger Games -- I think the most recent one I had on there was Diary of a Wimpy Kid. I almost feel like I'm being sexually harassed having to read this disgusting stuff. I feel like I'm being singled out and made an example of.
Why shouldn't I, as a legal adult, have the choice not to read "adult" fare and stick to kid stuff that doesn't make me uncomfortable? Why do I have to read gross stuff in order to get a bachelor's degree? Is there some federal law that requires everyone go through the "rite of passage"?
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)What is going to happen if they know more about the human body?
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Someone mentioned dry vaginas to Charles Manson as a child?
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)bullshit. That is more offensive to me than saying vagina on TV. Your opinion is just that an opinion. It isn't some standard we all need to adhere to. Saying wow is a bullying tactic I think .
Codeine
(25,586 posts)My six year old probably won't even notice, and if he does and asks I'll tell him it's "boring adult junk" and let it go.
Besides, he's six -- he wants to watch cartoons and Doctor Who. He's going to see commercials for toys, for more cartoons, and for Top Gear.
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)But I only see those commercials on networks like FX, FXX, Comedy - well after the time of evening where really . . . Six year olds should be in bed.
I've never seen one for example - on TBS or TNN at 2PM on a Saturday afternoon.
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)Any idea where I might get some help for poor ol' Willie?
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)He tends to spit on you if you try to play with him for a while.
J/K
Skittles
(153,156 posts)YES INDEED
Hoppy
(3,595 posts)goes nuts. Since he sees a lot of that,.....
I tried talking to him but he don't listen.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)it is about the messages. surely their are more important medical issues than ED and dry vaginas. so why are these being pushed down our throats? must have something to do with money.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)which is why I cancelled cable and now watch only over-the-air or by streaming.
I don't like pro sports, blatant corporate propaganda, true crime shows, or fakey reality shows where narcissists get to act like idiots and be treated like celebrities. I don't like "dramas" with actors who all look like models or comedies that consist mostly of people shouting unfunny rude insults at each other.
I watch PBS, and I stream movies and foreign and classic TV.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)the constant hawking of nutribullets, meaningful beauty, proactiv, vacuum cleaners and other crap you don't need. it is incessant! there is really nothing on after about 2am...but a barrage of commercials hawking all manner of crap you do not need.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)and even Hulu Plus doesn't have as many commercials as regular TV.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)because the constant attempts to part me from my dollars bugs the shit out of me. it is so much worse than it used to be, just a few years ago.
Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)What's not to like?
Seriously, though, I tolerate Hulu Plus because of its wealth of foreign TV and the Criterion Collection of classic and independent films.
MindPilot
(12,693 posts)It's kind of like I have to pay twice.
TorchTheWitch
(11,065 posts)Since I never had cable I didn't even know that ads were on cable networks now. I never did understand why anyone would pay for tv anyway.
AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)Thank God for the DVR!
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I've been complaining about it for years. I remember when broadcast TV would say commercials paid for them to be on the air. Then cable came out and I couldn't help but notice that there were still commercials on those channels too. Do what? Yup, we are paying to watch AND cable is making money from those who want to hawk their stuff in commercials too. We really are paying twice. Sure, those who pay to have their commercials on there are technically paying for that part of it, but we pay them in the prices built to try to recover their advertising costs, when we buy their products. We really are paying double for cable.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Or a video of someone talking about not feeling so "fresh down there?" Definitely not porn.
demigoddess
(6,640 posts)I hate the ads where all seniors live right on the beach and can swim any time they want. Me, I am a caregiver and can hardly get out in the yard. Then there are the calls and mail all the time about they want to buy me a wheelchair, hearing aids, canes etc, just because I just turned 65 and they they want to charge medicare big bucks. My husband says they stop after about 5 years. The stinking commercials you describe are just the icing on the cake!!
AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)but because he's a Veteran I guess that automatically puts him on the list.
When I vividly explain that my 36 y/o husband does NOT need Cialis they get off the phone pretty quickly.
Ykcutnek
(1,305 posts)meow2u3
(24,761 posts)All they do are drive up the cost of meds and cause doctors to prescribe meds based not on the patient's needs, but rather the ads you see on TV and read in magazines.
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)the best comment in this thread I have seen.
I cannot stand those ads as they should NOT be out there -- period.
I despise Direct-to-Consumer advertising. Those ads just feed into my already diagnosed anxiety.
( I wonder what doctors think of them. serious ponderance)
Marr
(20,317 posts)People shouldn't be "asking their doctors for" specific drugs.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)An integral part of Canada's public health system was a ban on televised pharmaceutical advertising.
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bigwillq
(72,790 posts)but not pornography.
But I can see how they could lead to some awkward conversations with the grandkids.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)when business is making a profit.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)As I was reading this, with CBS on, there was a Viagra commercial in the background. You can't get away from them.
But I'm with you. "Commercial pornography" is the right term for it. And I am particularly disgusted with how all the women in the ads are always so young....as are most of the men, although they are not as young as those hot babes.
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)I cut the cable over a year ago, and now I get my commercial-laden TV for free from an antenna.
But all my life, sex has been used to sell things, I guess I'm inured to it now.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)annoying and offensive) I have the option of changing the channel or turning off the tv. What I hate 1000 times more are the intrusive, law breaking telemarketers who call at all hours. I keep a landline because I have a 91-year-old mother nearby and unreliable cellphone service. The nuisance calls became so frequent that I finally spent $100 on a top of the line call blocking device which has brought a measure of peace and quiet. No one should be bombarded with this crap in the privacy of their own home.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Any device that makes it possible for someone to interrupt what I'm doing just because they want to yack at me about switching car insurance or tell me I MUST give them my debit card number because I won some Walmart gift basket(nice try, con artist, not happening) should be regulated to the teeth. I called the cable company that I get my landline service from and they told me I have to re-register every 30 days with the Do Not Call Registry to keep these unwanted calls from happening. I get up to 10 a day. I have learned not to answer numbers I do not recognize. That actually seems to stop them eventually, even better than the Do Not Call list ever did. It is still rude and interrupts what I am doing. Couple that with the fact that I hate every modern phone ringtone that I have heard and I'm fit to be tied until they finally quit calling for the night. That is one thing that is a relief. They do tend to not call too late at night. Finally, some peace and quiet.
Phones are one of the rudest inventions ever. If I wanted to talk to someone, I'll wait until I see them sometime or email. They can check their email when they are ready.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)but I just don't get the need to constantly be on the phone -- in the car, in the grocery store, in a restaurant, in an elevator, in a waiting room -literally everywhere. I can't believe these conversations are all so important that they have to be conducted right then and there, often in front of a captive audience. Just rude.
As for the Do Not Call registry, it's a joke. There's little to no enforcement.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)So many of my friends get offended because I rarely call...but I do email them. I feel so much better that they are getting my message on their free time instead of when I call. Maybe it is that I always seem to be in the middle of something when I get a call. And too many times, I get stuck on the phone for an hour or more, when I would much rather take that time to meet with them face to face.
Initech
(100,068 posts)When my phone displays "unknown caller" it's a good indication to not answer it. Although it is fun to hang up on robo dialers.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)ring on anything that comes through as Unknown Caller. Before the device I was getting up to 20 nuisance calls a day. They are still calling, but for the most part, I'm not subjected to the ring. Love it!
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)If you did you'd be shocked to know that young grand kids may be bored with those 'horrible sexual' tv commercials. And giggle about grandma/pa's weirdly repressed attitude about sex behind your back. Hell, I know we did the same thing when we were kids.
Personally I find pro fracking ads extremely obscene.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Ads that teach kids that being conservative is a good thing and that fracking is great for the environment (the pro fracking people and their obnoxious ads) are way more offensive to me than ads about medical issues.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The Digitalis doesn't get handed out until 5:30, too. There's gonna be a full scale riot in the TV room, if you're not careful.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)We know wealth is concentrated within an aging population. Further research probably has shown that older population watches TV where younger people are generally tuning out of television.
http://www.diffen.com/difference/Cialis_vs_Viagra
That's pretty damn expensive. Only people in the target age bracket with money can afford that.
But it's not just sex pills, seems to be lots of pills promising older people a wonderful new life if they just ask their doctor for them.
My favorite part is the high speed monologue of side effects of all these pills, recall tuberculous or death is one of them, lol.
brooklynite
(94,518 posts)If thine eye offends thee, change the channel.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)BlueJazz
(25,348 posts)...answer. No big deal.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)because we are "Ad Fodder" is not one that we should accept as Parents or Grandparents.
The ads have become so disgusting that even this "Adult" cannot deal with the way people are depicted and it's dreadful for our society to have our children subjected to this trash when their young minds are just getting used to the world and not sure what to make of it.
And, the ads take up most of the airtime for what one wants to watch. You never know when the "Adult Ads" for all kinds of disfunction will show up because there are so many Ads. And the Celebrity Porn fluff.
Thank you for posting.
RandySF
(58,797 posts)I've lived around enough women to know that chronic dryness is no fun, sex or no sex.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Most shows are available online now and the commercials can be ad blocked. Why not cut cable and watch online instead? Your grandsons could watch online shows too, minus the commercials, a lot of the time too.
WhiteAndNerdy
(365 posts)I get tired of constant advertising, period, but in this particular case, I think maybe the commercials serve a purpose: the ED commercials, and the dry vajayjay ones, may make it easier for people to talk to their doctors about these things. I would imagine a lot of people are reluctant to bring them up with the doctor, but the constant commercials may make it seem more socially acceptable to talk about them.
Now the ones I can totally do without are the ones about products for "feminine odor." I'm not sure such a thing even exists unless the person has an infection, in which case the solution is not a hygiene product. I hate all the commercials intended to make women feel bad about their bodies so they'll spend money trying to make their allegedly nasty selves more acceptable to society.
hunter
(38,311 posts)I grouch about DVDs with annoying menus or movie previews on them. The best DVD menus are static images with no sound.
Just play the movie dammit...
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)I imagine some fucking was involved.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)THE STORK
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Seriously, get one.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)We have netflix and Pay for View. Sometimes I like watching the news though. Can't do that if my grandsons are over. Some here don't care but I prefer that children stay innocent as long as possible.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)Because not everything shows up on those devices and certainly not right away? Especially if you like the series that are being shown on premium channels.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean if it's not free it might be like 4 bucks more a month than the regular cable box, or something like that.
Warpy
(111,254 posts)It doesn't do a thing for me but there are a lot of lonely people who enjoy it.
I want to get rid of all drug commercials, not just the ones pushing artificial youth in the sack.
Phooey.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)As for the sexy blond, my husband can't stand what he refers to as the "buck tooth Brit." LOL.
tabbycat31
(6,336 posts)During the Super Bowl one year. I told her 'something you're never going to have' and moved on because it was not my place to discuss this (I'm her cousin, not her parent).
She's now 14 and has not asked me since.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)So many responses upthread have essentially said: so what... it's better than running loose in the street or kids already know what penises and vaginas are, blah, blah, blah
But what everyone seems to miss is the 24/7 emphasis on sex and the sexualization of everything in marketing. Have some of these posters seen some of the clothes being peddled for little girls these days?!
I am appalled too, MoonRiver! I see it as more of the bread and circuses scam to distract the people from what is happening in this country and world. Keep them preoccupied with sex, sports and celebrity sensationalism.
Meanwhile, there is a total loss of innocence way too early because children learn what they live and become inured to the debauchery that now litters the airwaves. Marketing is a foul tool of manipulation that has invaded every aspect of our lives
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)I've gotten 22 recs for this thread but most who are responding seem to think it's no big deal for very young children to be exposed to explicit sex commercials. At six, seven and even eight I had no idea about the birds and the bees, except that boys and girls had different parts. Society didn't present images and language on a 24/7 basis that destroy the natural innocence of childhood.
ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)I am bored to tears by Viagra and Cialis ads too, but i would reject the notion there is anything explicitly sexual about the ads.
Extremely suggestive, perhaps. Explicit, no.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)even at age 10 I had never heard the terms "penis" "erection" or "vagina." Probably heard them discussed in some context during 5th grade sex education class, but even then it didn't really sink in. Those terms were just not thrown around like they are now. I'm glad I was innocent for so long. Lord knows, we have a life time after childhood to learn all the details about sex.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)Deliberate ignorance is not a good thing.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Nobody thought I needed to have a sex education discussion until I was about 10 or 11. My sex life worked out really well anyway.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)So I guess we can conclude from our little sample group that it doesn't make a difference.
When my children wanted to know where babies come from, I certainly told them the truth. I'm funny that way with kids.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)to non-stop sex commercials.
REP
(21,691 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)REP
(21,691 posts)My parents were born in the 1930s - must have been a different era. They just told use that girls had vaginas and boys had penises and that was that. They didn't act like it was something to be ashamed of, so we didn't learn that.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)When I asked, I was told.
REP
(21,691 posts)ProfessorGAC
(65,010 posts)But, i still think there is a difference between suggestive and explicit.
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)And I feel that I was cheated by having adults lie to me or not explain sex to me. I got guilt-tripped and slut-shamed a lot even though I was not having sex in high school.
When I was four or five, about 1960, mom was frying eggs and I asked her why some of them turn into chickens and some of them don't. She said, "They just do". I knew that was wrong, that something had to happen to those eggs to make them turn into chickens.
I was already reading books at an upper elementary grade level.
I knew she was lying, and never asked her another question again about sex. I didn't ask any other adults either, because I was terrified and figured they would all lie to me too. The school system lied to us about sex and drugs and the Vietnam war, so why should I have believed what they said about any of those things?
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Boys and girls saw the movie and heard the lecture separately. Mostly we all just giggled and blushed, but I got a cursory idea about what goes on "down there."
REP
(21,691 posts)I knew the proper names for my body parts when I was 4 or 5. It didn't scare or shock or shame me not to use stupid, made-up words. Knowing anatomy isn't the same as knowing about sex (though I was told where babies come from - I just didn't believe it!).
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)from watching a hot blonde talking about getting it on with your honey, or a woman crying about how her dry vagina is ruining her sex life. How do you think your parents would have explained those commercials to you?
REP
(21,691 posts)They weren't embarased by the proper names of things, and I would've known what a vagina is. They were explained what the Roe v Wade decision was and why it was so important - I was 7. They explained My Lai to me. I think explaining "sex after menopause shouldn't hurt" would have been a relief to them.
The Osphena ad I think you're referring to never uses the phrase "dry vagina," but it does use a number of well-known women models over 50.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)Little kids are not generally aware of commercials, they are just boring short shows with grown-ups on them to small ones.
Now, my two older boys (12 and 13) have asked about drug commercials and we've explained it to them, but this is really recent. They are grossed out by the whole thing.
My six year old: not even a ripple of interest while DH and I are watching adult oriented shows. These ads never, ever show up on anything he's actually watching, since he pretty much sticks to shows appropriate to his age.
If they are your grandchildren, I'd talk to their parents about how they feel about these commercials. They may very well think they are not a big deal.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)we're talking about. Some on this thread say 6 year olds already know about penises and vaginas and what they do, so it's no big deal that they hear it repeated ad nauseum on commercials. Now you are saying that your 6 year old is oblivious to it all.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)What penises and vaginas are. We've used the terms since he was very small and he's aware that they are simply body parts, nothing more nothing less.
He's not oblivious to the fact they exist, he's simply too busy to pay close attention to commercials talking about subject matter that doesn't interest him. While watching TV, he's usually playing with trains or cars or making some sort of thing with Legos.
Have your grandchildren asked you about these commercials?
If they have asked, have you considered just telling them that as bodies age, they sometimes don't work as well, so people make medications to help them along? That's what I told my middle one, the only one of the three who ever asked about any of the commercials, though he was more confused about why they were in bathtubs in the middle of the woods.
We're pretty straightforward about sex and sexuality in our house. No subject is out of bounds and we'll answer anything they ask, even if we're not ready to discuss it.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Six is a little young, imho, to start explaining sexual terms to a child. When I, as well as my children were six, none of us asked, because we had not heard the terms. I'm thinking children, maybe including your son, are asking at such a young age because of the constant media exposure to sexuality.
Bettie
(16,095 posts)And he wanted to know what it was about and why there were bathtubs in the woods....also, why couldn't he take a bath outside like that and what is ED? We answered all of his questions, though, to be honest, we have no idea why there were bathtubs in the woods. He's a pretty curious and perceptive kid and asks questions about a lot of things that he hears about from various sources.
Honestly, some of the crap he hears from other kids is way harder to explain than commercials are. He gets that commercials are for selling things and, as I said, he mostly ignores them.
The oldest one was 12 when he asked basic questions about drug commercials specifically, but he was more interested in the question of why you'd take something that sounded so awful (regarding the long lists of side effects).
As I said, six year old, not even interested in the boring grownups talking on the TV.
And, as I've said, generally, they are watching shows that are age appropriate and don't have these ads. I haven't seen them on the Science channel or Discovery either, which are my middle one's favorites. A few on History (eldest child's favorite), but he's usually reading during commercials and he's 13.
What I'm saying is that they may not be as hyper aware of them or what they mean as you think they are.
I've found overall, that if I make something a huge issue, the kids are way more interested than if I give a calm and factual answer to a direct question. If they don't ask, I don't bring it up unless I note some behavioral reason to do so.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)No, not like that one. My husband took it out when he remodeled the bathroom and didn't know what to do with it, so he planted it in the back yard. One of the most backward things I ever saw, but it made him happy.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)starting to get my attention. But I keep telling myself it's the blood pressure medicine.
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Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)As a side note, the NFL FB games are so obviously rigged, using the refs as the game rigging agents. It's like watching WWF wrestling. Fake, fake, fake!
Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)I'm not at all in agreement that any of those commercials are shameful or pornographic, but that has already been debated here.
PBS Kids runs from early morning until 5. There is limited advertising, but geared more toward kids as well as fundraising for your local PBS affiliate. The shows are better as well.
I don't have cable, but my parents do. My kids are 8 and 3 and occasionally watch cable kid shows over there. We've never once encountered those commercials during children's programming.
ecstatic
(32,699 posts)I usually don't even notice commercials, but the producers made sure I'd notice the accent and awkward sexual overtones. They play it constantly on CNN and MSNBC.
Initech
(100,068 posts)That women's birth control is considered a faux pas in our society, but Viagra and Cialis are openly advertised on prime time about once every 30 seconds?
liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)I was wondering if I could do better...
All about the big pharma telling you to tell your doctor how to fix what you think ails you.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)Children will rationalize things they see to concepts they are comfortable with. How can you prevent curiosity though? And would you want to?
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)is completely acceptable. What I object to is the premature sexualization of children. Although not as extreme, it reminds me of the grooming process pedophiles use on their victims.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)Benghazi!
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Get a grip.
immoderate
(20,885 posts)I don't think I'm the person fantasizing here.
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snooper2
(30,151 posts)FYI
423,533,849 views
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Lauging their asses off
immoderate
(20,885 posts)I think flashing images like that can cause PTSD!
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Divernan
(15,480 posts)This is GREAT news for the hot young "trophy" second (or third) wives of old farts. Just keep feeding them Viagra and make sure you're the named benficiary on insurance policies.
(excerpts)
Even when the testosterone dose was too low to elevate the hormones levels in the bloodstream, half of the rats developed prostate tumors. Animals that were exposed to the carcinogen but not testosterone did not develop prostate cancer.
If these same findings hold true in humans, there is serious cause for public health concern, said Bosland, who notes that there are no current data to indicate testosterone heightens the risk of prostate cancer in humans.
Testosterone therapy has recently become popular among middle-aged and older men with low testosterone levels. However, there is some evidence that it offers no health benefits, and the treatment may increase the risk of cardiovascular disease.
Caution should be used when prescribing testosterone for non-medical reasons until adequate human studies are available, Bosland said. Low testosterone levels in men should not be considered a disease that requires treatment, he said.
The research was supported in part by the Dutch Cancer Foundation and the National Institutes of Health grant CA43151.
- See more at: http://news.uic.edu/testosterone-stimulates-prostate-cancer-in-animal-model#sthash.8fcn4pAk.dpuf
roody
(10,849 posts)first presented, and it was going to be commercial free because the customer is already paying!
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)I don't have one, and I get to miss all of those commercials. It's especially nice during election years.
And I get to watch as many shows as I want, either over the internet or by getting DVDs from Netflix. Okay, so I may not watch a show the instant it is aired, but that's not a bit deal.
Honestly, my life is much better without TV.
This is the third time in my life I've gone without, and I sincerely doubt I will ever go back.